K3 pan-adapter question

[Dave-Boat Guy]

Hi,  
I was looking at the Clifton Laboratories (Jack
Smith)website and comparing his panoramic adapter to
TelepostInc (Larry Phipps) LP-PAN.

It seems to me that the Clifton Laboratories adapter
is a sophisticated spectrum analyzer with a lot of
well developed software and requisite electronics.
>From what I can tell, the LP-PAN is an integration
effort of a basic SoftRock module, isolation
amplifier, and isolation transformers...nothing too
sophisticated and no software.

I am curious if the mentioned prices for the LP-PAN
are accurate ($300-$500).  That puts it in the same
price range as a more sophisticated piece of hardware
(and SW), the Clifton Laboratories spectrum monitor.
With the cost of parts for a SoftRock module and an
isolation amplifier and some transformers and perhaps
some LDO regulators, I can't see how there is more
than $15-$25 worth of parts, another $10-$20 for a
board, and perhaps $20 for a chassis.  From my school
of thought, sophisticated electronics (with
software/firmware) normally is priced from 2.4 to 3X
material costs, so the LP-PAN anticipated cost seems
really high...unless I'm missing something.  I'm just
trying to figure out the cost of a K3 ala panoramic
display station.

Thanks

Dave


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[Jack Smith-6]

Dave:

I'll leave it to Larry to announce his pricing strategy when he is
ready. Until then, I would  take the $300-$500 "estimate" as completely
uninformed speculation for the reasons you well articulate.

Jack K8ZOA


Dave-Boat Guy wrote:

> Hi,  
> I was looking at the Clifton Laboratories (Jack
> Smith)website and comparing his panoramic adapter to
> TelepostInc (Larry Phipps) LP-PAN.
>
> It seems to me that the Clifton Laboratories adapter
> is a sophisticated spectrum analyzer with a lot of
> well developed software and requisite electronics.
> >From what I can tell, the LP-PAN is an integration
> effort of a basic SoftRock module, isolation
> amplifier, and isolation transformers...nothing too
> sophisticated and no software.
>
> I am curious if the mentioned prices for the LP-PAN
> are accurate ($300-$500).  That puts it in the same
> price range as a more sophisticated piece of hardware
> (and SW), the Clifton Laboratories spectrum monitor.
> With the cost of parts for a SoftRock module and an
> isolation amplifier and some transformers and perhaps
> some LDO regulators, I can't see how there is more
> than $15-$25 worth of parts, another $10-$20 for a
> board, and perhaps $20 for a chassis.  From my school
> of thought, sophisticated electronics (with
> software/firmware) normally is priced from 2.4 to 3X
> material costs, so the LP-PAN anticipated cost seems
> really high...unless I'm missing something.  I'm just
> trying to figure out the cost of a K3 ala panoramic
> display station.
>
> Thanks
>
> Dave
>
>
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Nice advertisement.

As far as I know Larry hasn't released the pricing for the LP-PAN and
the numbers you quote were just "thinking out loud" by Bill, W4ZV.

It's also not true that there is "no software" for the LP-PAN. PowerSDR
runs the Flex5K and VE3NA's "Rocky" is a very capable piece of software
as well.

Dave-Boat Guy wrote:
| Hi,
| I was looking at the Clifton Laboratories (Jack
| Smith)website and comparing his panoramic adapter to
| TelepostInc (Larry Phipps) LP-PAN.
|
| It seems to me that the Clifton Laboratories adapter
| is a sophisticated spectrum analyzer with a lot of
| well developed software and requisite electronics.
|>From what I can tell, the LP-PAN is an integration
| effort of a basic SoftRock module, isolation
| amplifier, and isolation transformers...nothing too
| sophisticated and no software.
|
| I am curious if the mentioned prices for the LP-PAN
| are accurate ($300-$500).  That puts it in the same
| price range as a more sophisticated piece of hardware
| (and SW), the Clifton Laboratories spectrum monitor.
| With the cost of parts for a SoftRock module and an
| isolation amplifier and some transformers and perhaps
| some LDO regulators, I can't see how there is more
| than $15-$25 worth of parts, another $10-$20 for a
| board, and perhaps $20 for a chassis.  From my school
| of thought, sophisticated electronics (with
| software/firmware) normally is priced from 2.4 to 3X
| material costs, so the LP-PAN anticipated cost seems
| really high...unless I'm missing something.  I'm just
| trying to figure out the cost of a K3 ala panoramic
| display station.
|
| Thanks
|
| Dave
|
|
|
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[Buck - k4ia]

I had an email from Larry early on that  suggested a price of around $150.  
But, that was very tentative and I would  not hold him to it.  It does seem
much more  realistic.

k4ia
"Buck" K3 #101
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[N8LP]

Sorry for not responding to this earlier, but I receive digests, so
threads can go awhile before I see them. I don't think this is the forum
for this discussion, therefore I have launched an LP-PAN User Group at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LP-PAN/.  I will address some of the
questions raised today on the Elecraft reflector later tonight on my
user group.

The group is open to all interested parties.

73, and see 'ya there...
Larry N8LP

> Message: 11 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 08:07:23 -0500 From: Jack Smith
> <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3
> pan-adapter question To: Dave-Boat Guy <[hidden email]> Cc:
> [hidden email] Message-ID:
> <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dave: I'll leave it to Larry to
> announce his pricing strategy when he is ready. Until then, I would
> take the $300-$500 "estimate" as completely uninformed speculation for
> the reasons you well articulate. Jack K8ZOA Dave-Boat Guy wrote:
>> > Hi,  
>> > I was looking at the Clifton Laboratories (Jack
>> > Smith)website and comparing his panoramic adapter to
>> > TelepostInc (Larry Phipps) LP-PAN.
>> >
>> > It seems to me that the Clifton Laboratories adapter
>> > is a sophisticated spectrum analyzer with a lot of
>> > well developed software and requisite electronics.
>> > >From what I can tell, the LP-PAN is an integration
>> > effort of a basic SoftRock module, isolation
>> > amplifier, and isolation transformers...nothing too
>> > sophisticated and no software.
>> >
>> > I am curious if the mentioned prices for the LP-PAN
>> > are accurate ($300-$500).  That puts it in the same
>> > price range as a more sophisticated piece of hardware
>> > (and SW), the Clifton Laboratories spectrum monitor.
>> > With the cost of parts for a SoftRock module and an
>> > isolation amplifier and some transformers and perhaps
>> > some LDO regulators, I can't see how there is more
>> > than $15-$25 worth of parts, another $10-$20 for a
>> > board, and perhaps $20 for a chassis.  From my school
>> > of thought, sophisticated electronics (with
>> > software/firmware) normally is priced from 2.4 to 3X
>> > material costs, so the LP-PAN anticipated cost seems
>> > really high...unless I'm missing something.  I'm just
>> > trying to figure out the cost of a K3 ala panoramic
>> > display station.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> >      
>  

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[Tom-5]

As I sit here with my wire antenna trying to work one of the K3's on
Ducie Island, my mind, once again wondered.

God Bless the Internet, and Google. Have a look at where the VK6 folks
are living:

*http://tinyurl.com/2qfyrk*


    If you look close, you can see the K3's ;)

On a sunny afternoon,

    Tom K8TB



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[Jack Brindle]

Perhaps your difficulty lies in the area of either wrong geography or  
wrong station.
I believe VK6 would be somewhere in Australia...

The folks on Ducie Island are actually using the callsign VP6DX.

I'm in their log... :-) ;-)


On Feb 16, 2008, at 2:36 PM, K8TB wrote:

> As I sit here with my wire antenna trying to work one of the K3's  
> on Ducie Island, my mind, once again wondered.
>
> God Bless the Internet, and Google. Have a look at where the VK6  
> folks are living:
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/2qfyrk*
>
>
>    If you look close, you can see the K3's ;)
>
> On a sunny afternoon,
>
>    Tom K8TB
>
>
>
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[Jim Sheldon]

 http://ducie2008.dl1mgb.com/  is the official website of the dxpedition.
There you will find the on-line log, all sorts of news about what's
happening, pictures etc. and if you click on "Site Map" you will see an
aerial photo of Ducie with all the antenna site/information superimposed.
Very impressive setup.

7 Active stations, all K3's with ACOM amplifiers and those guys sure seem to
know how to get the most out of the K3's receiver!  They hear EVERYTHING!

w0eb

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> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VK6DX, slighlty OT, but not really...
>
> Perhaps your difficulty lies in the area of either wrong
> geography or  
> wrong station.
> I believe VK6 would be somewhere in Australia...
>
> The folks on Ducie Island are actually using the callsign VP6DX.
>
> I'm in their log... :-) ;-)
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2008, at 2:36 PM, K8TB wrote:
> > As I sit here with my wire antenna trying to work one of the K3's  
> > on Ducie Island, my mind, once again wondered.
> >
> > God Bless the Internet, and Google. Have a look at where the VK6  
> > folks are living:
> >
> > *http://tinyurl.com/2qfyrk*
> >
> >
> >    If you look close, you can see the K3's ;)
> >
> > On a sunny afternoon,
> >
> >    Tom K8TB
> >
> >
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[Shaun Oliver]

Hi, VK6 is Western Australia.


On 17/02/2008 11:09 AM, the old scribe known as Jim Sheldon was able to
impart this pearl of wisdom:

>  http://ducie2008.dl1mgb.com/  is the official website of the dxpedition.
> There you will find the on-line log, all sorts of news about what's
> happening, pictures etc. and if you click on "Site Map" you will see an
> aerial photo of Ducie with all the antenna site/information superimposed.
> Very impressive setup.
>
> 7 Active stations, all K3's with ACOM amplifiers and those guys sure seem to
> know how to get the most out of the K3's receiver!  They hear EVERYTHING!
>
> w0eb
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jack Brindle
>> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 5:46 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector'
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VK6DX, slighlty OT, but not really...
>>
>> Perhaps your difficulty lies in the area of either wrong
>> geography or  
>> wrong station.
>> I believe VK6 would be somewhere in Australia...
>>
>> The folks on Ducie Island are actually using the callsign VP6DX.
>>
>> I'm in their log... :-) ;-)
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2008, at 2:36 PM, K8TB wrote:
>>> As I sit here with my wire antenna trying to work one of the K3's  
>>> on Ducie Island, my mind, once again wondered.
>>>
>>> God Bless the Internet, and Google. Have a look at where the VK6  
>>> folks are living:
>>>
>>> *http://tinyurl.com/2qfyrk*
>>>
>>>
>>>    If you look close, you can see the K3's ;)
>>>
>>> On a sunny afternoon,
>>>
>>>    Tom K8TB
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[k6dgw]

K8TB wrote:
> As I sit
> here with my wire antenna trying to work one of the K3's on Ducie
> Island, my mind, once again wondered.
>
> God Bless the Internet, and Google. Have a look at where the VK6 folks
> are living:
>
> *http://tinyurl.com/2qfyrk*
>

Einstein said, "Everything is relative."  Well, OK ... he actually
didn't say that.  Google BS7H and go to the pictures.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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- CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party  4-5 Oct 08
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[Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone]]

Ducie is a very beautiful and comfortable place.  The lagoon is very
clear, so much so I have some photos of the marine life, taken from
above the surface that look a lot like underwater photographs.

And the BRAVEHEART crew is VERY supportive, so even the lack of water
on the island is not a problem.  Even the hermit crabs are no
problem.

73, doug
formerly VP6QS, and part of VP6DIA

   Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:19:16 -0800
   From: Fred Jensen <[hidden email]>

   K8TB wrote:
   > As I sit
   > here with my wire antenna trying to work one of the K3's on Ducie
   > Island, my mind, once again wondered.
   >
   > God Bless the Internet, and Google. Have a look at where the VK6 folks
   > are living:
   >
   > *http://tinyurl.com/2qfyrk*
   >

   Einstein said, "Everything is relative."  Well, OK ... he actually
   didn't say that.  Google BS7H and go to the pictures.
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[Bob Nielsen-2]

On Feb 17, 2008, at 10:29 AM, Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone] wrote:

> Ducie is a very beautiful and comfortable place.  The lagoon is very
> clear, so much so I have some photos of the marine life, taken from
> above the surface that look a lot like underwater photographs.
>
> And the BRAVEHEART crew is VERY supportive, so even the lack of water
> on the island is not a problem.  Even the hermit crabs are no
> problem.
>

Mmm, crab cakes!

73, Bob N7XY


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