K3 - very cool feature.
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>From the Quick Start guide:
"Any of M1-M4 {15} can be used as Tap and/or Hold programmable functions if theyre not being used for message play." What kind of programmable functions are available or are to be added please? !!! _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I am serious: What is the motivation driving smaller and smaller electronic
products? Possible answers: smaller means using less stuff to make it and thus cheaper? smaller is cuter? smaller is a marketing feature? smaller is more handy? But when the hand phone, the caculator, the iPod, the mp3 player, the memory stick, the 706, etc etc are so small that they can not be easily be operated with normal human fingers, what is going on? One of my students had her computer "thumb" memory thingy hanging from her ear lobe. I got the business name card from my eye doctor printed in 6pt. type, way too small for his clients to read. The greying of America and of ham radio indicates the need for bigger type, bigger radio buttons, etc., AND louder cel phones and louder everything, too. I am puzzled.... so can I imagine soon a new marketing: "It's BIGGER!" Charles Harpole [hidden email] _________________________________________________________________ Discover sweet stuff waiting for you at the Messenger Cafe. Claim your treat today! http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline2 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I am serious: What is the motivation driving smaller and smaller electronic
products? Possible answers: smaller means using less stuff to make it and thus cheaper? smaller is cuter? smaller is a marketing feature? smaller is more handy? But when the hand phone, the caculator, the iPod, the mp3 player, the memory stick, the 706, etc etc are so small that they can not be easily be operated with normal human fingers, what is going on? One of my students had her computer "thumb" memory thingy hanging from her ear lobe. I got the business name card from my eye doctor printed in 6pt. type, way too small for his clients to read. The greying of America and of ham radio indicates the need for bigger type, bigger radio buttons, etc., AND louder cel phones and louder everything, too. I am puzzled.... so can I imagine soon a new marketing: "It's BIGGER!" Charles Harpole [hidden email] _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_hotmailtextlink1 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a message dated 9/19/07 8:12:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes: > What is the motivation driving smaller and smaller electronic > products? > > smaller means using less stuff to make it and thus cheaper? Yep. Also less cost to pack, to ship, and to store. Look at the cost of packing, shipping, and storing, say, a DX-100 and K2/100. That all comes out in the price. > > But when the hand phone, the caculator, the iPod, the mp3 player, the memory > > stick, the 706, etc etc are so small that they can not be easily be operated > > with normal human fingers, what is going on? Depends what you mean by "normal". And people buy the things. > One of my students had her computer "thumb" memory thingy hanging from her > ear lobe. > I remember carrying punched card decks, reels of computer tape (magnetic and paper) and those multiplatter removable disks that went into drives the size of a washing machine. No thanks. > > The greying of America and of ham radio indicates the need for bigger type, > bigger radio buttons, etc., AND louder cel phones and louder everything, > too. > How much more are you willing to pay for it? 73 de Jim, N2EY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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The programmable keys can be used for easy access to menu settings. Enter
MENU or CONFIG and select the item you want to assign to the key, then HOLD PF1 or PF2 to program that menu item to that key. You can do the same with the M1-4 buttons instead of messages (you can mix and match too). But with the M1-4 keys you can program both TAP and HOLD giving you up to 8 more programmable keys. 73 Greg AB7R -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Don Rasmussen Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:47 PM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - very cool feature. >From the Quick Start guide: "Any of M1-M4 {15} can be used as Tap and/or Hold programmable functions if theyre not being used for message play." What kind of programmable functions are available or are to be added please? !!! _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I can think a few reasons, in addition to the aforementioned reduction in
inventory costs and shipping charges. It makes for smaller PCB assemblies - less copper/solder, etc. smaller packaging means less resources. If the foundries don't need to produce huge volumes of plastics, ceramics and other materials, then they may be able to improve the purity and quality of the materials also. It leads more toward throw away modules which can fit in you're recyclers bin. If all I had was one radio, I wouldn't care too much how big it is but wouldn't expect a truck load of features either, like we get now. With three rigs on the desk, it's nice they all fit on it. So there is a strong 'green' incentive from many angles. The average refuse company in CA now collects a $20-$35 fee for that old monitor. Thank goodness for the flat screens! I remember the first transistor radio I had - a Regency. Cost $65 in 1956. Ge transistors too, and it ate those 22v mercury stack batteries for a snack. But what a dream to carry around while delivering papers after school. (I think I needed so many batteries from falling asleep at night listening to it.) So the tiny parts make it harder to kit build - wait til it comes in fully integrated VLSI. That's already revolutionized the PC business. I see the entire radio in a couple chips sooner than you can imagine. The ONLY reason its not there now is the lack of volume in those markets. Case in point is the cellphone or maybe the pda is a better example - with video graphics, it's a better computer than we had 15 years ago, camera, music all day, actually more music in one of those than my entire collection of 40 years. It goes on and on. If we have a reason for 20 or 30 million people to be hams - the K4 will probably fit in the palm of your hand. PS I love to build kits and really miss Heath. I'm buying up as many QRP and other kits as I can to fill the future void. After that I guess we'll just need to design some. Al WA6VNN ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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> Look at the cost of packing, shipping, and storing, say, a DX-100 and K2/100. > That all comes out in the price. > Depends what you mean by "normal". And people buy the things. > 73 de Jim, N2EY ================================= Also, we didn't have to carry our DX-100's into the computer room to update the software. 73 Rick Dettinger K7MW _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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All respondents really gave me only one answer... cheaper... and I
understand that, but cheaper does not always drive consumer products.... see the BMW 730i or the celebrity handbag costs ESPECIALLY IN A NICHE MARKET like those and like ham radio. I still think a ham radio the size and shape of a flat panel display... where the controls are spread out, plentiful, and large over a big panel space.... would sell well. Oh, well, I can always get stronger glasses (coke bottle bottoms) and grow my index fingernail long and file it to a stylus point, eh? Maybe evolution will see humans with a second lens that can be switched into the eyes and very tapered finger ends.......... or maybe machines will truly learn to listen to our many voices and machine-human commands can be totally voiced ? 73 Charles Harpole [hidden email] _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_hotmailtextlink1 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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From: "Charles Harpole" <[hidden email]>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 03:41:03 +0000 I still think a ham radio the size and shape of a flat panel display... where the controls are spread out, plentiful, and large over a big panel space.... would sell well. You will probably be able to have this with the K3- since everything can be controlled by software, you can have the display as large as you want, and the pushbuttons could all be touch screen functions; and it would be easy enough to have a "box of knobs" to control the radio via the same software. Maybe I'll need that capability in a few years, but for now, I think the K3 is very close to the ideal size. 73, doug _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I am going to take very good care of my IC-775dsp because it has REAL KNOBS
and NO MENUS. The day I only can choose to turn a "knob" via a mouse on a screen is the day I find another hobby...... FOOIE AND OTHER STRONGER WORDS OF NEGATION. Touching real things is important to me..... think intimate human contact via computer screen... who would want that!!! I know the answer.... engineers! Why oh why put a great spec radio in a toy box..... so sad..... but keep my order for a K3 active! Charles Harpole [hidden email] _________________________________________________________________ Share your special parenting moments! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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What might also be cool (maybe in the future) is being able to store the
actual setting of the memory option in the programmable button. So, instead of pressing M1 and then turning VFOa to pick the value and then pressing Menu to store it (I assume that is what is required). You store that Menu option X = value Y You could store a specific setting on TAP M1 and a different setting on HOLD M1 and no need to press any other key, and just toggle between them. As I don't have a K3 yet, I don't know if I might use 2 values of a menu menu option in this way, perhaps not. On 20/9/07 01:47, "Greg" <[hidden email]> sent: > The programmable keys can be used for easy access to menu settings. Enter > MENU or CONFIG and select the item you want to assign to the key, then HOLD > PF1 or PF2 to program that menu item to that key. > > You can do the same with the M1-4 buttons instead of messages (you can mix > and match too). But with the M1-4 keys you can program both TAP and HOLD > giving you up to 8 more programmable keys. -- When you want to test the depths of a stream, don't use both feet. -Chinese Proverb _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In a message dated 9/19/07 11:41:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes: > All respondents really gave me only one answer... cheaper... and I > understand that, but cheaper does not always drive consumer products.... see > > the BMW 730i or the celebrity handbag costs ESPECIALLY IN A NICHE MARKET > like those and like ham radio. How many 730is are sold in the USA, compared to total car sales? Apply that percentage to the total number of ham transceivers sold. > > I still think a ham radio the size and shape of a flat panel display... > where the controls are spread out, plentiful, and large over a big panel > space.... would sell well. > How much more would you be willing to spend for one? 73 de Jim, N2EY ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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smaller is also better for RF, surface mount resistors and caps are
much more consistent to manufacture and better for RF due to almost eliminated stray effects. Also with cheaper comes more accurate, almost all surface mount resistors are 1% and they are cheaper than the 5% ones. Matt KD8DAO _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Guys - Looking at my list email load this morning I can see we are at
the overload stage. Please limit threads like this one and resist the urge to post a reply or opinion on everything. Let's try to focus discussion on Elecraft and Ham Radio related items for the most part for now. 73, Eric WA6HHQ Elecraft list moderator ---- Charles Harpole wrote: > All respondents really gave me only one answer... cheaper... _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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