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K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

I'd like to try Win4K3Suite with an SDRplay receiver. I've been looking
for a block diagram showing how the SDRPlay is connected to the K3S or P3.

I understand it's a just a matter of connecting the output of the P3
I.F. to the SDRPlay.

Can the P3 be bypassed and use the I.F. output directly from the K3S?

Thanks in advance.

Rich - N5ZC
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Don Wilhelm

Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

Rich,

There is no need to bypass the P3, just connect the SDRPlay to the P3 IF
output.

The P3 IF output is a replication of the K3S IF output.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/9/2019 7:04 AM, Richard Thorne wrote:
> I'd like to try Win4K3Suite with an SDRplay receiver. I've been looking
> for a block diagram showing how the SDRPlay is connected to the K3S or P3.
>
> I understand it's a just a matter of connecting the output of the P3
> I.F. to the SDRPlay.
>
> Can the P3 be bypassed and use the I.F. output directly from the K3S?
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Gwen Patton

Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

That's essentially what I did, but with KX3/PX3. I have a lovely 3.5mm to
2.5mm cable running from the PX3 IQ output to a spare mike in jack on my
PC. I had to do some weird jiggery-pokery with default sound devices to get
it to work because Win4K3Suite uses some of the same (or related) code
that's also in WSJT-X and other code derived from it, that doesn't play
nicely with Windows 7 64-bit. None of those programs will "see" my correct
microphone list, though other unrelated programs DO. Those programs only
see a pair of old entries that haven't been on my machine in years. I have
to trick them to see the devices I want, through setting default devices
and using VB-Audio's Voicemeeter virtual mixer program.

But when I DO get every tab A in the right slot B, I can set Win4K3Suite to
look to that spare mike jack for its spectrum scope source. Works great!

I've asked (begged) the authors of the various programs to PLEASE do
something about their operation with Windows 7, but I only get shrugs and
sometimes rude demands that I simply "upgrade to Windows 10, that works".
Seeing the *correct* list of enumerated input device drivers should NOT be
something I have to upgrade my operating system to get, when I only get the
problem with a very small number of specialized programs. *sigh...*

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:25 AM Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Rich,
>
> There is no need to bypass the P3, just connect the SDRPlay to the P3 IF
> output.
>
> The P3 IF output is a replication of the K3S IF output.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/9/2019 7:04 AM, Richard Thorne wrote:
> > I'd like to try Win4K3Suite with an SDRplay receiver. I've been looking
> > for a block diagram showing how the SDRPlay is connected to the K3S or
> P3.
> >
> > I understand it's a just a matter of connecting the output of the P3
> > I.F. to the SDRPlay.
> >
> > Can the P3 be bypassed and use the I.F. output directly from the K3S?
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Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

Gwen

You might not like it but from Microsoft’s web site W7 goes end of life Jan 2020 (i.e. 6 months from now) after which no security patches will be made available.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsforbusiness/end-of-windows-7-support

A patched OS is really a good thing to have and you really might want to bite the bullet……

All this probably explains why you get shrugs and requests to upgrade.

Paul
W6PNG/M0SNA
www.nomadic.com

> On Jun 9, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Gwen Patton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> That's essentially what I did, but with KX3/PX3. I have a lovely 3.5mm to
> 2.5mm cable running from the PX3 IQ output to a spare mike in jack on my
> PC. I had to do some weird jiggery-pokery with default sound devices to get
> it to work because Win4K3Suite uses some of the same (or related) code
> that's also in WSJT-X and other code derived from it, that doesn't play
> nicely with Windows 7 64-bit. None of those programs will "see" my correct
> microphone list, though other unrelated programs DO. Those programs only
> see a pair of old entries that haven't been on my machine in years. I have
> to trick them to see the devices I want, through setting default devices
> and using VB-Audio's Voicemeeter virtual mixer program.
>
> But when I DO get every tab A in the right slot B, I can set Win4K3Suite to
> look to that spare mike jack for its spectrum scope source. Works great!
>
> I've asked (begged) the authors of the various programs to PLEASE do
> something about their operation with Windows 7, but I only get shrugs and
> sometimes rude demands that I simply "upgrade to Windows 10, that works".
> Seeing the *correct* list of enumerated input device drivers should NOT be
> something I have to upgrade my operating system to get, when I only get the
> problem with a very small number of specialized programs. *sigh...*
>
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:25 AM Don Wilhelm <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>> Rich,
>>
>> There is no need to bypass the P3, just connect the SDRPlay to the P3 IF
>> output.
>>
>> The P3 IF output is a replication of the K3S IF output.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 6/9/2019 7:04 AM, Richard Thorne wrote:
>>> I'd like to try Win4K3Suite with an SDRplay receiver. I've been looking
>>> for a block diagram showing how the SDRPlay is connected to the K3S or
>> P3.
>>>
>>> I understand it's a just a matter of connecting the output of the P3
>>> I.F. to the SDRPlay.
>>>
>>> Can the P3 be bypassed and use the I.F. output directly from the K3S?
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NK7Z

Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

In reply to this post by Gwen Patton

Gwen,

I too am on Windows 7 for my Amateur Radio software, and see the same
thing, but, I also understand why authors won't support W7 anymore, it
is a dead OS, and even the vendor for it is no longer supporting it.

I have one windows box for Amateur radio, and the other computer I use
for day to day things is a Linux box.

I am considering making a clean W7 install there on a VM, and just
keeping an image of it once W7 goes no update.

That way, if/when my W7 install gets compromised, I can just replace the
soiled image with the good image.

I am still thinking about if I just want to go W10, and be done with
supporting a dead OS, that will probably have a ton of exploits within a
year of MS ceasing support.

I will probably go with 10, as that seems a simpler path, and one the
vendors will support. Remember, after W7 goes no support from MS, most
of the authors will forget W7 exists, while most of the hackers will
fall in lust with it.

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resource

On 6/9/19 6:39 AM, Gwen Patton wrote:

> That's essentially what I did, but with KX3/PX3. I have a lovely 3.5mm to
> 2.5mm cable running from the PX3 IQ output to a spare mike in jack on my
> PC. I had to do some weird jiggery-pokery with default sound devices to get
> it to work because Win4K3Suite uses some of the same (or related) code
> that's also in WSJT-X and other code derived from it, that doesn't play
> nicely with Windows 7 64-bit. None of those programs will "see" my correct
> microphone list, though other unrelated programs DO. Those programs only
> see a pair of old entries that haven't been on my machine in years. I have
> to trick them to see the devices I want, through setting default devices
> and using VB-Audio's Voicemeeter virtual mixer program.
>
> But when I DO get every tab A in the right slot B, I can set Win4K3Suite to
> look to that spare mike jack for its spectrum scope source. Works great!
>
> I've asked (begged) the authors of the various programs to PLEASE do
> something about their operation with Windows 7, but I only get shrugs and
> sometimes rude demands that I simply "upgrade to Windows 10, that works".
> Seeing the *correct* list of enumerated input device drivers should NOT be
> something I have to upgrade my operating system to get, when I only get the
> problem with a very small number of specialized programs. *sigh...*
>
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:25 AM Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Rich,
>>
>> There is no need to bypass the P3, just connect the SDRPlay to the P3 IF
>> output.
>>
>> The P3 IF output is a replication of the K3S IF output.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 6/9/2019 7:04 AM, Richard Thorne wrote:
>>> I'd like to try Win4K3Suite with an SDRplay receiver. I've been looking
>>> for a block diagram showing how the SDRPlay is connected to the K3S or
>> P3.
>>>
>>> I understand it's a just a matter of connecting the output of the P3
>>> I.F. to the SDRPlay.
>>>
>>> Can the P3 be bypassed and use the I.F. output directly from the K3S?
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Barry LaZar

Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

I would go with Win10. Everything I had running over win7 runs nicely
over win 10. And, win10 seemed run to faster. I did my free upgrade when
it was free and haven't looked back since.

The big issue I see is learning where win10 puts things and the new
format. The setup is not much different, but getting there is. The
differences seemed to have caused more heartburn than other issues.
However, win10 will support far more things than other operating
systems, both long and short term. And if you go with what win10 and
your app.exe want, the set is is seriously easy for installs. The only
thing hams are going need to learn is where/how to access device
manager. It is device manager where you make your com port settings and
changes. All else should be a snap.

If you have a problem with Microsoft, just do not get an account, skip
this in the set up. You will still get your updates. Setting up a Linux
machine and VMs is just too much work!

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Dave Cole (NK7Z)" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: 6/9/2019 10:14:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

>Gwen,
>
>I too am on Windows 7 for my Amateur Radio software, and see the same thing, but, I also understand why authors won't support W7 anymore, it is a dead OS, and even the vendor for it is no longer supporting it.
>
>I have one windows box for Amateur radio, and the other computer I use for day to day things is a Linux box.
>
>I am considering making a clean W7 install there on a VM, and just keeping an image of it once W7 goes no update.
>
>That way, if/when my W7 install gets compromised, I can just replace the soiled image with the good image.
>
>I am still thinking about if I just want to go W10, and be done with supporting a dead OS, that will probably have a ton of exploits within a year of MS ceasing support.
>
>I will probably go with 10, as that seems a simpler path, and one the vendors will support. Remember, after W7 goes no support from MS, most of the authors will forget W7 exists, while most of the hackers will fall in lust with it.
>
>73s and thanks,
>Dave (NK7Z)
>https://www.nk7z.net
>ARRL Technical Specialist
>ARRL Volunteer Examiner
>ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resource
>
>On 6/9/19 6:39 AM, Gwen Patton wrote:
>>That's essentially what I did, but with KX3/PX3. I have a lovely 3.5mm to
>>2.5mm cable running from the PX3 IQ output to a spare mike in jack on my
>>PC. I had to do some weird jiggery-pokery with default sound devices to get
>>it to work because Win4K3Suite uses some of the same (or related) code
>>that's also in WSJT-X and other code derived from it, that doesn't play
>>nicely with Windows 7 64-bit. None of those programs will "see" my correct
>>microphone list, though other unrelated programs DO. Those programs only
>>see a pair of old entries that haven't been on my machine in years. I have
>>to trick them to see the devices I want, through setting default devices
>>and using VB-Audio's Voicemeeter virtual mixer program.
>>
>>But when I DO get every tab A in the right slot B, I can set Win4K3Suite to
>>look to that spare mike jack for its spectrum scope source. Works great!
>>
>>I've asked (begged) the authors of the various programs to PLEASE do
>>something about their operation with Windows 7, but I only get shrugs and
>>sometimes rude demands that I simply "upgrade to Windows 10, that works".
>>Seeing the *correct* list of enumerated input device drivers should NOT be
>>something I have to upgrade my operating system to get, when I only get the
>>problem with a very small number of specialized programs. *sigh...*
>>
>>73,
>>Gwen, NG3P
>>
>>On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:25 AM Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>Rich,
>>>
>>>There is no need to bypass the P3, just connect the SDRPlay to the P3 IF
>>>output.
>>>
>>>The P3 IF output is a replication of the K3S IF output.
>>>
>>>73,
>>>Don W3FPR
>>>
>>>On 6/9/2019 7:04 AM, Richard Thorne wrote:
>>>>I'd like to try Win4K3Suite with an SDRplay receiver. I've been looking
>>>>for a block diagram showing how the SDRPlay is connected to the K3S or
>>>P3.
>>>>
>>>>I understand it's a just a matter of connecting the output of the P3
>>>>I.F. to the SDRPlay.
>>>>
>>>>Can the P3 be bypassed and use the I.F. output directly from the K3S?
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Mark Musick

Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

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Gwen,
I have the SDRPlay, Win4K3Suite and Windows 10.
The issue you had with the PX3 will not occur with the P3. Yes, you have IQ output on the PX3, but the P3 is the IF output.
For the P3 just move the switch on the back of the P3 to enable the P3 IF output, connect it to the SDRPlay, connect the SDRPlay via the USB cable to your PC and Win4K3Suite automatically recognizes the SDRPlay and the spectrum display works right away. No hassles. Yes, you can connect the SDRPlay directly to the IF out on the K3, but why would you do that and loose the use of the P3?
As to moving to Windows 10, I don't understand all the hullabaloo. You have to move to it sometime. So, why not do it sooner rather than later. Especially, when it is free. It is my understanding, if I'm wrong someone please correct me, but you will now have to pay to upgrade.
For me the upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 has been the least painful of all the OS moves. Yes, you have to get use to things being in different places and accessing things differently, but you've got to do that whenever you move to a new OS. Thus my statement do it now rater than later. There are also new features in Windows 10 that are not in Windows 7 that I think makes it worth it.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Gwen Patton
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 13:40
To: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

That's essentially what I did, but with KX3/PX3. I have a lovely 3.5mm to 2.5mm cable running from the PX3 IQ output to a spare mike in jack on my PC. I had to do some weird jiggery-pokery with default sound devices to get it to work because Win4K3Suite uses some of the same (or related) code that's also in WSJT-X and other code derived from it, that doesn't play nicely with Windows 7 64-bit. None of those programs will "see" my correct microphone list, though other unrelated programs DO. Those programs only see a pair of old entries that haven't been on my machine in years. I have to trick them to see the devices I want, through setting default devices and using VB-Audio's Voicemeeter virtual mixer program.

But when I DO get every tab A in the right slot B, I can set Win4K3Suite to look to that spare mike jack for its spectrum scope source. Works great!

I've asked (begged) the authors of the various programs to PLEASE do something about their operation with Windows 7, but I only get shrugs and sometimes rude demands that I simply "upgrade to Windows 10, that works".
Seeing the *correct* list of enumerated input device drivers should NOT be something I have to upgrade my operating system to get, when I only get the problem with a very small number of specialized programs. *sigh...*

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:25 AM Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Rich,
>
> There is no need to bypass the P3, just connect the SDRPlay to the P3
> IF output.
>
> The P3 IF output is a replication of the K3S IF output.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/9/2019 7:04 AM, Richard Thorne wrote:
> > I'd like to try Win4K3Suite with an SDRplay receiver. I've been
> > looking for a block diagram showing how the SDRPlay is connected to
> > the K3S or
> P3.
> >
> > I understand it's a just a matter of connecting the output of the P3
> > I.F. to the SDRPlay.
> >
> > Can the P3 be bypassed and use the I.F. output directly from the K3S?
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Gwen Patton

Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

Mark,
My concern is legacy programs that may misbehave under Win10. I have some
pretty old programs that weren't written with Win10 in mind because it
didn't exist yet. I'm certain I'll have to upgrade eventually and bite the
bullet, but until then it's a balancing act. But to be fair, some of those
legacy programs aren't as important now as they once were, so I may be
hanging onto stuff I don't need to be concerned with. I'll have to go
through the thing and figure out what I need, what I want, and what will
still work. Eventually. It's not my #1 priority.

I also may have to update the machine at the same time, and there's no
sense updating my OS if I'm just going to have to upgrade the hardware. Any
new machine I get will likely come with Win10 on it already, so I might as
well do a careful software migration to a new box than update the OS on the
old box that'll just get set aside. It doesn't owe me anything -- I got
this machine 7 years ago.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 12:32 PM Mark Musick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Gwen,
> I have the SDRPlay, Win4K3Suite and Windows 10.
> The issue you had with the PX3 will not occur with the P3. Yes, you have
> IQ output on the PX3, but the P3 is the IF output.
> For the P3 just move the switch on the back of the P3 to enable the P3 IF
> output, connect it to the SDRPlay, connect the SDRPlay via the USB cable to
> your PC and Win4K3Suite automatically recognizes the SDRPlay and the
> spectrum display works right away. No hassles. Yes, you can connect the
> SDRPlay directly to the IF out on the K3, but why would you do that and
> loose the use of the P3?
> As to moving to Windows 10, I don't understand all the hullabaloo. You
> have to move to it sometime. So, why not do it sooner rather than later.
> Especially, when it is free. It is my understanding, if I'm wrong someone
> please correct me, but you will now have to pay to upgrade.
> For me the upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 has been the least painful
> of all the OS moves. Yes, you have to get use to things being in different
> places and accessing things differently, but you've got to do that whenever
> you move to a new OS. Thus my statement do it now rater than later. There
> are also new features in Windows 10 that are not in Windows 7 that I think
> makes it worth it.
>
> 73,
> Mark, WB9CIF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
> On Behalf Of Gwen Patton
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 13:40
> To: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay
>
> That's essentially what I did, but with KX3/PX3. I have a lovely 3.5mm to
> 2.5mm cable running from the PX3 IQ output to a spare mike in jack on my
> PC. I had to do some weird jiggery-pokery with default sound devices to get
> it to work because Win4K3Suite uses some of the same (or related) code
> that's also in WSJT-X and other code derived from it, that doesn't play
> nicely with Windows 7 64-bit. None of those programs will "see" my correct
> microphone list, though other unrelated programs DO. Those programs only
> see a pair of old entries that haven't been on my machine in years. I have
> to trick them to see the devices I want, through setting default devices
> and using VB-Audio's Voicemeeter virtual mixer program.
>
> But when I DO get every tab A in the right slot B, I can set Win4K3Suite
> to look to that spare mike jack for its spectrum scope source. Works great!
>
> I've asked (begged) the authors of the various programs to PLEASE do
> something about their operation with Windows 7, but I only get shrugs and
> sometimes rude demands that I simply "upgrade to Windows 10, that works".
> Seeing the *correct* list of enumerated input device drivers should NOT be
> something I have to upgrade my operating system to get, when I only get the
> problem with a very small number of specialized programs. *sigh...*
>
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:25 AM Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Rich,
> >
> > There is no need to bypass the P3, just connect the SDRPlay to the P3
> > IF output.
> >
> > The P3 IF output is a replication of the K3S IF output.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 6/9/2019 7:04 AM, Richard Thorne wrote:
> > > I'd like to try Win4K3Suite with an SDRplay receiver. I've been
> > > looking for a block diagram showing how the SDRPlay is connected to
> > > the K3S or
> > P3.
> > >
> > > I understand it's a just a matter of connecting the output of the P3
> > > I.F. to the SDRPlay.
> > >
> > > Can the P3 be bypassed and use the I.F. output directly from the K3S?
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
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Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

That’s why I use VM ware on my MAC. I run various OSs going back to DOS and a few Linux distros. I can run anything written in the last 40 years.

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> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:28 PM, Gwen Patton <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Mark,
> My concern is legacy programs that may misbehave under Win10. I have some
> pretty old programs that weren't written with Win10 in mind because it
> didn't exist yet. I'm certain I'll have to upgrade eventually and bite the
> bullet, but until then it's a balancing act. But to be fair, some of those
> legacy programs aren't as important now as they once were, so I may be
> hanging onto stuff I don't need to be concerned with. I'll have to go
> through the thing and figure out what I need, what I want, and what will
> still work. Eventually. It's not my #1 priority.
>
> I also may have to update the machine at the same time, and there's no
> sense updating my OS if I'm just going to have to upgrade the hardware. Any
> new machine I get will likely come with Win10 on it already, so I might as
> well do a careful software migration to a new box than update the OS on the
> old box that'll just get set aside. It doesn't owe me anything -- I got
> this machine 7 years ago.
>
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 12:32 PM Mark Musick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Gwen,
>> I have the SDRPlay, Win4K3Suite and Windows 10.
>> The issue you had with the PX3 will not occur with the P3. Yes, you have
>> IQ output on the PX3, but the P3 is the IF output.
>> For the P3 just move the switch on the back of the P3 to enable the P3 IF
>> output, connect it to the SDRPlay, connect the SDRPlay via the USB cable to
>> your PC and Win4K3Suite automatically recognizes the SDRPlay and the
>> spectrum display works right away. No hassles. Yes, you can connect the
>> SDRPlay directly to the IF out on the K3, but why would you do that and
>> loose the use of the P3?
>> As to moving to Windows 10, I don't understand all the hullabaloo. You
>> have to move to it sometime. So, why not do it sooner rather than later.
>> Especially, when it is free. It is my understanding, if I'm wrong someone
>> please correct me, but you will now have to pay to upgrade.
>> For me the upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10 has been the least painful
>> of all the OS moves. Yes, you have to get use to things being in different
>> places and accessing things differently, but you've got to do that whenever
>> you move to a new OS. Thus my statement do it now rater than later. There
>

k6dgw

Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

In reply to this post by Gwen Patton

You might try a VM. I also have some ultra-legacy things that I still
want to run. One, a satellite ephemeris generator, is written in DOS
3.1 FORTRAN. I installed Virtual Box and loaded DOS into a VM, program
runs fine. Another will run in Windows up to XP but not beyond, so a
second VM runs XP for it. I also have a Linux VM in there.

Virtual Box was free when I got it, I heard somewhere that it may not be
free now, but there are several others out there too.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/9/2019 10:28 AM, Gwen Patton wrote:

> Mark,
> My concern is legacy programs that may misbehave under Win10. I have some
> pretty old programs that weren't written with Win10 in mind because it
> didn't exist yet. I'm certain I'll have to upgrade eventually and bite the
> bullet, but until then it's a balancing act. But to be fair, some of those
> legacy programs aren't as important now as they once were, so I may be
> hanging onto stuff I don't need to be concerned with. I'll have to go
> through the thing and figure out what I need, what I want, and what will
> still work. Eventually. It's not my #1 priority.
>
> I also may have to update the machine at the same time, and there's no
> sense updating my OS if I'm just going to have to upgrade the hardware. Any
> new machine I get will likely come with Win10 on it already, so I might as
> well do a careful software migration to a new box than update the OS on the
> old box that'll just get set aside. It doesn't owe me anything -- I got
> this machine 7 years ago.
>
> 73,
> Gwen, NG3P
>
>

Edward R Cole

Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

In reply to this post by Richard Thorne-4

I resisted upgrading my winXP23 SP3 computer because essential
accessories were not supported with win10 drivers. A few months ago
a better device was offered that interfaces with USB and runs under
win10, so I bought a new i5 win10. I will be offering my M-Audio
Delta44 and emu-0202 for sale (as-is). New device is called UADC4
which replaces using a soundcard in receive.

Haven't done the changeover as I had many other challenges for my
time that were higher priority. May get to the installation of sw in
the new machine and to the cut-over soon. I will be able to run my
ham programs without Internet as I have GPS time, but its capable if
I need communication for any of those programs (reporting or
upgrading). My K3, KX3, etc firmware updates, for example, or FT8
and WSPR reporting sites.

I have another i5 for e-mail and normal internet use. I also use it
for running prop-log sites in parallel with the ham computer (less
dialog window clutter).

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

I've been running Window 10 Pro since the initial release.   I am very
pleased with it in all aspects. Yes, I did have a learning curve
initially, but I've found every piece of software and hardware runs
flawlessly.      Most of the issues were my lack of knowledge and
understanding on how things work.   And there i,s with that, not how I
expected them to work.   It won't go that way.

If you've not taken time to experience and learn Windows 10 but are only
taking what someone else said, you've missed the boat. Chances are they
didn't take time to experience and learn Windows 10 either and thus what
they say is really not likely valid.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 6/9/2019 2:12 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

> I resisted upgrading my winXP23 SP3 computer because essential
> accessories were not supported with win10 drivers. A few months ago a
> better device was offered that interfaces with USB and runs under
> win10, so I bought a new i5 win10. I will be offering my M-Audio
> Delta44 and emu-0202 for sale (as-is). New device is called UADC4
> which replaces using a soundcard in receive.
>
> Haven't done the changeover as I had many other challenges for my time
> that were higher priority. May get to the installation of sw in the
> new machine and to the cut-over soon. I will be able to run my ham
> programs without Internet as I have GPS time, but its capable if I
> need communication for any of those programs (reporting or
> upgrading). My K3, KX3, etc firmware updates, for example, or FT8 and
> WSPR reporting sites.
>
> I have another i5 for e-mail and normal internet use. I also use it
> for running prop-log sites in parallel with the ham computer (less
> dialog window clutter).
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
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Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

I have Win10 on my workbench PC. I'm reasonably familiar with it. I've used
Linux for years, but it doesn't have the applications that I need, so I
can't rely on it. There are attempts at replacing those apps, but they're
not ready for prime time. I *have* them, but I prefer the Windows
originals. I have digital electronics diagnostic tools that simply *refuse*
to work with Linux USB drivers. I've tried. Repeatedly. Until I nearly
pulled all my hair out. Then I went to the expense and bought that
aforementioned Win10 workbench PC...and a 4-channel Rigol oscilloscope. USB
scopes are neat, but they don't replace a standalone scope, and my old CRO
was NOT adequate to need.

I suppose I'll have to at least upgrade my main PC to Win10 sometime. When
I get some minutes in a row, I'll look into it.

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 3:33 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I've been running Window 10 Pro since the initial release. I am very
> pleased with it in all aspects. Yes, I did have a learning curve
> initially, but I've found every piece of software and hardware runs
> flawlessly. Most of the issues were my lack of knowledge and
> understanding on how things work. And there i,s with that, not how I
> expected them to work. It won't go that way.
>
> If you've not taken time to experience and learn Windows 10 but are only
> taking what someone else said, you've missed the boat. Chances are they
> didn't take time to experience and learn Windows 10 either and thus what
> they say is really not likely valid.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 6/9/2019 2:12 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> > I resisted upgrading my winXP23 SP3 computer because essential
> > accessories were not supported with win10 drivers. A few months ago a
> > better device was offered that interfaces with USB and runs under
> > win10, so I bought a new i5 win10. I will be offering my M-Audio
> > Delta44 and emu-0202 for sale (as-is). New device is called UADC4
> > which replaces using a soundcard in receive.
> >
> > Haven't done the changeover as I had many other challenges for my time
> > that were higher priority. May get to the installation of sw in the
> > new machine and to the cut-over soon. I will be able to run my ham
> > programs without Internet as I have GPS time, but its capable if I
> > need communication for any of those programs (reporting or
> > upgrading). My K3, KX3, etc firmware updates, for example, or FT8 and
> > WSPR reporting sites.
> >
> > I have another i5 for e-mail and normal internet use. I also use it
> > for running prop-log sites in parallel with the ham computer (less
> > dialog window clutter).
> >
> > 73, Ed - KL7UW
> > http://www.kl7uw.com
> > Dubus-NA Business mail:
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Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

In reply to this post by Bob McGraw - K4TAX

What he said.

73 ED W2RF

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From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 3:33 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

I've been running Window 10 Pro since the initial release. I am very pleased with it in all aspects. Yes, I did have a learning curve initially, but I've found every piece of software and hardware runs flawlessly. Most of the issues were my lack of knowledge and understanding on how things work. And there i,s with that, not how I expected them to work. It won't go that way.

If you've not taken time to experience and learn Windows 10 but are only taking what someone else said, you've missed the boat. Chances are they didn't take time to experience and learn Windows 10 either and thus what they say is really not likely valid.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 6/9/2019 2:12 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

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Re: K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

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Gwen,
Win4K3Suite does NOT use the same audio libraries as WSJT, it uses native
DirectShow. WSJT uses QTAudio. There are some issues with this QTAudio
which sometimes prevents proper enumeration of the audio devices.
Unfortunately when this happens, driver enumeration gets "stuck" and will
not work properly any longer without a reinstall of Windows. Even
uninstalling the offending device driver doesn't work. It still remains in
the list. This is purely a bug in QTAudio. Been there, done it. I spent
hours with the WSJT developers trying to fix this issue on my system and
even though we used many development tools to try and find why, ultimately a
reinstall of Windows 10 was necessary. I didn't but the next update of
Windows 10, Creators edition, fixed the issue.
Now if you are using a microphone input on your sound device, are you sure
it's working? It would have to be a stereo input for the IQ signals.
Here's a quick test: Pull up the spectrum and turn the VFO A knob on the
radio. If you see the signals on the waterfall move in different directions
around the center frequency, then you are using a mono feed.
73 Tom
Va2fsq.com

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Behalf Of Gwen Patton
Sent: June 9, 2019 9:40 AM
To: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S - Win4K3Suite - SDRPlay

That's essentially what I did, but with KX3/PX3. I have a lovely 3.5mm to
2.5mm cable running from the PX3 IQ output to a spare mike in jack on my PC.
I had to do some weird jiggery-pokery with default sound devices to get it
to work because Win4K3Suite uses some of the same (or related) code that's
also in WSJT-X and other code derived from it, that doesn't play nicely with
Windows 7 64-bit. None of those programs will "see" my correct microphone
list, though other unrelated programs DO. Those programs only see a pair of
old entries that haven't been on my machine in years. I have to trick them
to see the devices I want, through setting default devices and using
VB-Audio's Voicemeeter virtual mixer program.

But when I DO get every tab A in the right slot B, I can set Win4K3Suite to
look to that spare mike jack for its spectrum scope source. Works great!

I've asked (begged) the authors of the various programs to PLEASE do
something about their operation with Windows 7, but I only get shrugs and
sometimes rude demands that I simply "upgrade to Windows 10, that works".
Seeing the *correct* list of enumerated input device drivers should NOT be
something I have to upgrade my operating system to get, when I only get the
problem with a very small number of specialized programs. *sigh...*

73,
Gwen, NG3P

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