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If I was to purchase a new (barebones) K3S today, what are the chances the
2nd receiver module, filters, 2m module and whatever else are going to be available a year from now (when I can afford more) ? Thanks ! Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Mike,
The filters definitely, they are the same ones used in the K4. The 2nd RX and 2m option may or may not be available. They are building no more, so whenever stock is depleted, they will be gone. You might want to consider putting them on a credit card and pay it off monthly. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2019 5:09 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote: > If I was to purchase a new (barebones) K3S today, what are the chances the > 2nd receiver module, filters, 2m module and whatever else are going to be > available a year from now (when I can afford more) ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Thanks Don.
I am sitting on the fence what course of action to take. I'd really like to find a K3 (non S) in Canada, but there are not too many around. Barring that, a K3 in the USA from someone I know (ie: trust). Also difficult, but not impossible. I don't really need an "S" nor a K4, as 90% of what I do is just contest for fun. I have a pair of IC-7410's in my SO2R setup and an older but loaded K3 which I only use as a travel/expedition type rig, but tossing around the idea of making the main setup a "pair of K3's" (plural, not "S",. hi) Thanks for the info/advice. Always appreciate your no nonsense words and great work. 73 de Mike VE9AA Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: December 5, 2019 6:23 PM To: Mike Smith VE9AA; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S accessories availability, moving forward Mike, The filters definitely, they are the same ones used in the K4. The 2nd RX and 2m option may or may not be available. They are building no more, so whenever stock is depleted, they will be gone. You might want to consider putting them on a credit card and pay it off monthly. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2019 5:09 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote: > If I was to purchase a new (barebones) K3S today, what are the chances the > 2nd receiver module, filters, 2m module and whatever else are going to be > available a year from now (when I can afford more) ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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On 12/5/2019 2:22 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> You might want to consider putting them on a credit card and pay it off > monthly. > BAD idea -- interest on credit cards are VERY high! Better idea -- grab a used one from one of the many folks who will be selling one (or two) to buy a K4 (or two). I would feel reasonably confident buying from a regular member of this reflector -- it's a pretty small world. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Use PayPal credit. Gives you a few months.
On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:39 PM Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 12/5/2019 2:22 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > You might want to consider putting them on a credit card and pay it off > > monthly. > > > > BAD idea -- interest on credit cards are VERY high! > > Better idea -- grab a used one from one of the many folks who will be > selling one (or two) to buy a K4 (or two). I would feel reasonably > confident buying from a regular member of this reflector -- it's a > pretty small world. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > -- Randy Lake N1KWF 73 Gunn Rd. Keene,NH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I expected this, and in preparation received an RA number to have my
own K3 and P3 packed out this month while parts are available. Still, I find it sad. The value proposition from Elecraft has been easy to justify: buy a base model radio and then add options as necessary or possible. With the arrival of the K4, the K3-line is seemingly being abandoned. It is 10-ish years old, but still great. Of course, I understand. Elecraft is a small company and it is not practical to keep all the parts available forever. But unlike the K1, KX1, and some K2 options, where components became unavailable, the K3 transition feels different somehow. Ah, well. The times they are a changin'. 73, Byron N6NUL On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 2:23 PM Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Mike, > > The filters definitely, they are the same ones used in the K4. > The 2nd RX and 2m option may or may not be available. They are building > no more, so whenever stock is depleted, they will be gone. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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There are several credit card companies that initially have 0% interest
for usually 12 months on a new card. And then some have 0% interest on balance transfers up to 15 months. I roll money around using these methods and NEVER pay any credit card interest. One just has to be alert to the DEALS and play by their rules. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 12/5/2019 7:55 PM, Randy Lake wrote: > Use PayPal credit. Gives you a few months. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Same here. One of the huge selling points for Elecraft has always been the after-sale service and longevity of the product. I was happy to upgrade my K3 to the new synths, but now I find out that if, for example, my 2nd receiver goes full belly up some time in the near future I probably won't be able to get a replacement. ... and by Elecraft choice rather than by component obsolescence. That kind of changes the story for me. The K3 line itself is far from being obsolete performance-wise. 73, Dave AB7E On 12/5/2019 6:58 PM, Byron Servies wrote: > I expected this, and in preparation received an RA number to have my > own K3 and P3 packed out this month while parts are available. Still, > I find it sad. > > The value proposition from Elecraft has been easy to justify: buy a > base model radio and then add options as necessary or possible. With > the arrival of the K4, the K3-line is seemingly being abandoned. It is > 10-ish years old, but still great. > > Of course, I understand. Elecraft is a small company and it is not > practical to keep all the parts available forever. But unlike the K1, > KX1, and some K2 options, where components became unavailable, the K3 > transition feels different somehow. > > Ah, well. The times they are a changin'. > > 73, Byron N6NUL > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 2:23 PM Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Mike, >> >> The filters definitely, they are the same ones used in the K4. >> The 2nd RX and 2m option may or may not be available. They are building >> no more, so whenever stock is depleted, they will be gone. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Dave,
While you may not be able to obtain new option modules, you can be assured that Elecraft support and repair service for the K3/K3S will continue for a long time to come. The K2 has been around for over 20 years and is still sold supported (and repaired by Elecraft). While the KX1 and K1 have been discontinued, they will be serviced by Elecraft until the parts supply has been exhausted. I expect the same for the K3. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/5/2019 11:21 PM, David Gilbert wrote: > > Same here. One of the huge selling points for Elecraft has always been > the after-sale service and longevity of the product. I was happy to > upgrade my K3 to the new synths, but now I find out that if, for > example, my 2nd receiver goes full belly up some time in the near future > I probably won't be able to get a replacement. ... and by Elecraft > choice rather than by component obsolescence. That kind of changes > the story for me. The K3 line itself is far from being obsolete > performance-wise. > > 73, > Dave AB7E Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Mike,
There is one K3S option that you should definitely add to a K3 if you like CW: the updated synthesizer (2 of them if you have the subreceiver). It makes a great deal of difference if you send CW at more than about 30 wpm. There is a QRQ mode that helps, but it has downsides. Of course the improved receiver IMD and phase noise performance is also helpful if you are a contester. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 06/12/2019 1:08, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote: > Thanks Don. I am sitting on the fence what course of action to take. > I'd really like to find a K3 (non S) in Canada, but there are not too > many around. Barring that, a K3 in the USA from someone I know (ie: > trust). Also difficult, but not impossible. > > I don't really need an "S" nor a K4, as 90% of what I do is just > contest for fun. I have a pair of IC-7410's in my SO2R setup and an > older but loaded K3 which I only use as a travel/expedition type rig, > but tossing around the idea of making the main setup a "pair of K3's" > (plural, not "S",. hi) > > Thanks for the info/advice. Always appreciate your no nonsense words > and great work. > > 73 de Mike VE9AA > > Mike, Coreen & Corey Keswick Ridge, NB > > -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm > [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: December 5, 2019 6:23 PM To: > Mike Smith VE9AA; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] > K3S accessories availability, moving forward > > Mike, > > The filters definitely, they are the same ones used in the K4. The > 2nd RX and 2m option may or may not be available. They are building > no more, so whenever stock is depleted, they will be gone. > > You might want to consider putting them on a credit card and pay it > off monthly. > > 73, Don W3FPR > > On 12/5/2019 5:09 PM, Mike Smith VE9AA wrote: >> If I was to purchase a new (barebones) K3S today, what are the >> chances the 2nd receiver module, filters, 2m module and whatever >> else are going to be available a year from now (when I can afford >> more) ? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: > mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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The K3S and accessories becoming obsolete seems to be uncharastic of
Elecraft. I own three K3s's, one is pretty stock however I am not ready to add options to it now. I thought that all of my K3s's would be upgradable as technology improved or when I wanted to add more features, just as was done with the original K3. The K2 was never obsoleted so I certainly did not expect that to happen with the current K3S transceiver. I think it's a poor financial plan to borrow money for accessories that you may want in the future. John KK9A Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Dec 5 17:22:30 EST 2019 Mike, The filters definitely, they are the same ones used in the K4. The 2nd RX and 2m option may or may not be available. They are building no more, so whenever stock is depleted, they will be gone. You might want to consider putting them on a credit card and pay it off monthly. 73, Don W3FPR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Don explained it well; Elecraft support appears to continue for the
K3, K3S. Obtaining new options apparently has a shorter life-span. If I were shelling out new dollars at this point I would get the K4 vs K3S so seems a logical shift in emphasis. I am happy with my circa-2010 K3, KX3, KXPA100. At my point in life, long-term investments seem illogical. Though if money were no issue I'd pick up a K4 and KPA500...and maybe a sports car with obligatory blonde accessory - haha But as someone else pointed out, I did upgrade my k3 with two synth boards and the gen purpose bw filter (to use 630m). BTW the old synth boards are on the "dusty shelf" (in plastic bags) and available free to anyone paying for shipping. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Ed explained it quite well. I would add that when a product is
discontinued usually the options, being also considered as product, will go away as well. This does not imply that repair parts are discontinued. It is often confusing to users when a product is not longer available that service parts of the same items are available. Usually one has a product model number and the other has a service part number. After a product is obsoleted, where I previously worked, we planned service parts supports for some 7 or so years. There is no legal requirement for a company to do this with consumer type products. Often we missed the projection and ran out early. In some cases it was the customers that ordered an excessive number of service parts {so they could have spares} and this drew down the projected service parts inventory. And then too, the accountants came around asking what is all of this on the shelves for the last 5 years with no usage? Get rid of the inventory as it is costing the company money. The customer looses either way. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 12/6/2019 1:00 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > Don explained it well; Elecraft support appears to continue for the > K3, K3S. Obtaining new options apparently has a shorter life-span. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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BMW Motorcycles keeps many parts for more than 50 years. I once ordered a set of springs for a 1960 BMW and BMW parts in Germany sent one and ordered the second one from an outside vendor...which means they had it made.
There's more value to supplying parts for obsolete products than what the accounts see. Jack BMW Motorcycles Chuck KE9UW [hidden email] Sent from my iPad > On Dec 6, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Ed explained it quite well. I would add that when a product is discontinued usually the options, being also considered as product, will go away as well. This does not imply that repair parts are discontinued. It is often confusing to users when a product is not longer available that service parts of the same items are available. Usually one has a product model number and the other has a service part number. > > After a product is obsoleted, where I previously worked, we planned service parts supports for some 7 or so years. There is no legal requirement for a company to do this with consumer type products. Often we missed the projection and ran out early. In some cases it was the customers that ordered an excessive number of service parts {so they could have spares} and this drew down the projected service parts inventory. And then too, the accountants came around asking what is all of this on the shelves for the last 5 years with no usage? Get rid of the inventory as it is costing the company money. The customer looses either way. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > >> On 12/6/2019 1:00 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> Don explained it well; Elecraft support appears to continue for the K3, K3S. Obtaining new options apparently has a shorter life-span. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email]
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I don't know how long accessories will be available.
I had not gotten around to the sub-receiver, but I ordered one over the weekend and it came today. Glad.... On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 7:06 PM hawley, charles j jr <[hidden email]> wrote: > BMW Motorcycles keeps many parts for more than 50 years. I once ordered a > set of springs for a 1960 BMW and BMW parts in Germany sent one and ordered > the second one from an outside vendor...which means they had it made. > There's more value to supplying parts for obsolete products than what the > accounts see. > > Jack BMW Motorcycles > Chuck KE9UW > [hidden email] > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Dec 6, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> > wrote: > > > > Ed explained it quite well. I would add that when a product is > discontinued usually the options, being also considered as product, will go > away as well. This does not imply that repair parts are discontinued. > It is often confusing to users when a product is not longer available that > service parts of the same items are available. Usually one has a product > model number and the other has a service part number. > > > > After a product is obsoleted, where I previously worked, we planned > service parts supports for some 7 or so years. There is no legal > requirement for a company to do this with consumer type products. Often > we missed the projection and ran out early. In some cases it was the > customers that ordered an excessive number of service parts {so they could > have spares} and this drew down the projected service parts inventory. > And then too, the accountants came around asking what is all of this on the > shelves for the last 5 years with no usage? Get rid of the inventory as > it is costing the company money. The customer looses either way. > > > > 73 > > > > Bob, K4TAX > > > > > >> On 12/6/2019 1:00 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > >> Don explained it well; Elecraft support appears to continue for the K3, > K3S. Obtaining new options apparently has a shorter life-span. > >> > >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > -- 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and GØPWW and thinking about operating CW: "Do today what others won't, so you can do tomorrow what others can't." ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Parts are different from options (assemblies).
Parts from Elecraft will continue to be available as long as the parts are not obsolete, but the options will not after the stock is exhausted. The options are assemblies of parts. 73, Don W3FPR On 12/6/2019 8:04 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > BMW Motorcycles keeps many parts for more than 50 years. I once ordered a set of springs for a 1960 BMW and BMW parts in Germany sent one and ordered the second one from an outside vendor...which means they had it made. > There's more value to supplying parts for obsolete products than what the accounts see. > > Jack BMW Motorcycles > Chuck KE9UW > [hidden email] > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Dec 6, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Ed explained it quite well. I would add that when a product is discontinued usually the options, being also considered as product, will go away as well. This does not imply that repair parts are discontinued. It is often confusing to users when a product is not longer available that service parts of the same items are available. Usually one has a product model number and the other has a service part number. >> >> After a product is obsoleted, where I previously worked, we planned service parts supports for some 7 or so years. There is no legal requirement for a company to do this with consumer type products. Often we missed the projection and ran out early. In some cases it was the customers that ordered an excessive number of service parts {so they could have spares} and this drew down the projected service parts inventory. And then too, the accountants came around asking what is all of this on the shelves for the last 5 years with no usage? Get rid of the inventory as it is costing the company money. The customer looses either way. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >>> On 12/6/2019 1:00 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: >>> Don explained it well; Elecraft support appears to continue for the K3, K3S. Obtaining new options apparently has a shorter life-span. >>> Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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