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Wayne Michael

K3S and HRD

Does anyone know how to get HRD to show the ALC and Power meters when transmitting for the K3S?

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Ian Kahn, KM4IK

Re: K3S and HRD

In the HRD Rig Control application, try Customize -> Meters. However, if
the K3S doesn't support displaying the meter externally, HRD can't display
It. I tried on my K3 s/n 281 and, despite selecting the options for ALC and
PWR, they weren't displayed, which leads me to believe the K3/S doesn't
support that particular capability. Perhaps someone more intimately
familiar with the firmware can chime in and provide more detail.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA EM74ua
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10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Michael <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Does anyone know how to get HRD to show the ALC and Power meters when
> transmitting for the K3S?
>
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Rick WA6NHC-2

Re: K3S and HRD

I'm a beta tester and have griped about it so they are aware of it.
However they have come to realize firsthand how much WORK a business
(95% customer complaint management) can be and have (lately)
concentrated their (meager) programming efforts in other areas to
provide more for the bulk of people using the software. The only real
rig control work they've done of late was to add the 7300 into the list
(and will add the spectrum scope 'someday', yes I 'prodded' and the
sales rate was an indicator too).

So don't hold your breath until they can get more programming staff
(open hiring). It's also a challenge because there is already a fair
amount of traffic on the serial line (and hams tend to use older, slower
[cheap] computers) so real time metering display presents other
challenges in timing and data flow as well.

Having said that, I've looked at other software packages and find them
missing major elements/requirements (logging for one) or they're simply
a collection of parts stuck together that needs a tech to keep running
since they were never designed to work as a suite; they work but don't
fit together well, consistently or smoothly. While HRD is lacking
refinements, it's simple to keep running, works well with it's elements
and other software can interface with it readily (via tcp/ip, which
other software packages don't manage at all).

Rick wa6nhc

On 8/29/2016 7:58 AM, Ian Kahn wrote:

> In the HRD Rig Control application, try Customize -> Meters. However, if
> the K3S doesn't support displaying the meter externally, HRD can't display
> It. I tried on my K3 s/n 281 and, despite selecting the options for ALC and
> PWR, they weren't displayed, which leads me to believe the K3/S doesn't
> support that particular capability. Perhaps someone more intimately
> familiar with the firmware can chime in and provide more detail.
>
> 73 de,
>
> --Ian
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA EM74ua
> [hidden email]
> 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
>
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Michael <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know how to get HRD to show the ALC and Power meters when
>> transmitting for the K3S?
>>
>>
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Wayne Michael

Re: K3S and HRD

Rick,

For the Omni VII rig from HRD 5 to 6 it got worse.

I recently sold that rig figuring maybe a more modern rig would have better support.

Seems like the KX3 had those meters available with HRD.

I may contact HRD and ask if they plan to add the meters.

Thanks,

Wayne

> To: [hidden email]
> From: [hidden email]
> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 08:32:52 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD
>
> I'm a beta tester and have griped about it so they are aware of it.
> However they have come to realize firsthand how much WORK a business
> (95% customer complaint management) can be and have (lately)
> concentrated their (meager) programming efforts in other areas to
> provide more for the bulk of people using the software. The only real
> rig control work they've done of late was to add the 7300 into the list
> (and will add the spectrum scope 'someday', yes I 'prodded' and the
> sales rate was an indicator too).
>
> So don't hold your breath until they can get more programming staff
> (open hiring). It's also a challenge because there is already a fair
> amount of traffic on the serial line (and hams tend to use older, slower
> [cheap] computers) so real time metering display presents other
> challenges in timing and data flow as well.
>
> Having said that, I've looked at other software packages and find them
> missing major elements/requirements (logging for one) or they're simply
> a collection of parts stuck together that needs a tech to keep running
> since they were never designed to work as a suite; they work but don't
> fit together well, consistently or smoothly. While HRD is lacking
> refinements, it's simple to keep running, works well with it's elements
> and other software can interface with it readily (via tcp/ip, which
> other software packages don't manage at all).
>
> Rick wa6nhc
>
> On 8/29/2016 7:58 AM, Ian Kahn wrote:
> > In the HRD Rig Control application, try Customize -> Meters. However, if
> > the K3S doesn't support displaying the meter externally, HRD can't display
> > It. I tried on my K3 s/n 281 and, despite selecting the options for ALC and
> > PWR, they weren't displayed, which leads me to believe the K3/S doesn't
> > support that particular capability. Perhaps someone more intimately
> > familiar with the firmware can chime in and provide more detail.
> >
> > 73 de,
> >
> > --Ian
> > Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> > Roswell, GA EM74ua
> > [hidden email]
> > 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038
> > PODXS 070 #1962
> > K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Michael <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone know how to get HRD to show the ALC and Power meters when
> >> transmitting for the K3S?
> >>
> >>
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Rick WA6NHC-2

Re: K3S and HRD

They plan on it... and plan on it... it's a time & money management
thing... How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time...

the HRD folks can only nibble at it, they have to do other things to
make a living too.

Rick nhc

On 8/29/2016 8:41 AM, Wayne Michael wrote:

> Rick,
>
> For the Omni VII rig from HRD 5 to 6 it got worse.
>
> I recently sold that rig figuring maybe a more modern rig would have
> better support.
>
> Seems like the KX3 had those meters available with HRD.
>
> I may contact HRD and ask if they plan to add the meters.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > From: [hidden email]
> > Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 08:32:52 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S and HRD
> >
> > I'm a beta tester and have griped about it so they are aware of it.
> > However they have come to realize firsthand how much WORK a business
> > (95% customer complaint management) can be and have (lately)
> > concentrated their (meager) programming efforts in other areas to
> > provide more for the bulk of people using the software. The only real
> > rig control work they've done of late was to add the 7300 into the list
> > (and will add the spectrum scope 'someday', yes I 'prodded' and the
> > sales rate was an indicator too).
> >
> > So don't hold your breath until they can get more programming staff
> > (open hiring). It's also a challenge because there is already a fair
> > amount of traffic on the serial line (and hams tend to use older,
> slower
> > [cheap] computers) so real time metering display presents other
> > challenges in timing and data flow as well.
> >
> > Having said that, I've looked at other software packages and find them
> > missing major elements/requirements (logging for one) or they're simply
> > a collection of parts stuck together that needs a tech to keep running
> > since they were never designed to work as a suite; they work but don't
> > fit together well, consistently or smoothly. While HRD is lacking
> > refinements, it's simple to keep running, works well with it's elements
> > and other software can interface with it readily (via tcp/ip, which
> > other software packages don't manage at all).
> >
> > Rick wa6nhc
> >
> > On 8/29/2016 7:58 AM, Ian Kahn wrote:
> > > In the HRD Rig Control application, try Customize -> Meters.
> However, if
> > > the K3S doesn't support displaying the meter externally, HRD can't
> display
> > > It. I tried on my K3 s/n 281 and, despite selecting the options
> for ALC and
> > > PWR, they weren't displayed, which leads me to believe the K3/S
> doesn't
> > > support that particular capability. Perhaps someone more intimately
> > > familiar with the firmware can chime in and provide more detail.
> > >
> > > 73 de,
> > >
> > > --Ian
> > > Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> > > Roswell, GA EM74ua
> > > [hidden email]
> > > 10-10 #74624 North Georgia Chapter #2038
> > > PODXS 070 #1962
> > > K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
> > >
> > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Michael <[hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Does anyone know how to get HRD to show the ALC and Power meters when
> > >> transmitting for the K3S?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ______________________________________________________________
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Bill-3

Re: K3S and HRD

It appears to me that many are quite happy to make excuses for
shortcomings of the current owner/seller of HRD.

I know from experience, you either jump for the customers and give them
what they want - or, you will quickly become a "has been." The excuse
makers will not put food on the table.

I never upgraded to a paid for version of HRD, although I did donate to
Simon for his versions, as the upgrades I desired were never addressed.

I did download a test version a couple of times, and that confirmed I
had made a wise decision.

Currently I use a Genovation keypad and a K-Pod for rig control - fully
customizable to do whatever I want.

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Jim Brown-10

Re: K3S and HRD

On Mon,8/29/2016 10:53 AM, Bill wrote:
> It appears to me that many are quite happy to make excuses for
> shortcomings of the current owner/seller of HRD.

SNIP

> I never upgraded to a paid for version of HRD, although I did donate
> to Simon for his versions, as the upgrades I desired were never
> addressed.

I used Simon's version for some digital modes and liked it. I still use
his mapping utility to generate the paper maps I use to keep track of
VHF grids and CQ Fields. I had the same reaction you did to the paid
version, and after a first look, never gave it a second thought. I've
been a happy user of DXKeeper and DXView since 2003, and have been
happily using Spot Collector and WinWarbler for 3-4 years. They're all
part of AA6YQ's excellent DXLab Suite, which is FREE, stable, actively
updated (new features, new rigs, new software to control other rigs,
etc.) and well supported.

73, Jim K9YC

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Rick WA6NHC-2

Re: K3S and HRD

Which is EXACTLY why there is chocolate, strawberry AND vanilla to
choose from. ;-)

I always thought that 'suite' to be a collection of random parts
marginally integrated and hard to manage. To each their own flavor;
they ALL have something lacking.

Rick nhc

On 8/29/2016 11:26 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> I've been a happy user of DXKeeper and DXView since 2003, and have
> been happily using Spot Collector and WinWarbler for 3-4 years.
> They're all part of AA6YQ's excellent DXLab Suite, which is FREE,
> stable, actively updated (new features, new rigs, new software to
> control other rigs, etc.) and well supported.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

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