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vk4tux

K3Util with LPBridge

Was there ever a version of K3Util that would connect to LPBridge?

I have seen screenshots of connections done in the past, and I think

some versions of K3Util that worked around the meta command block .

If there is a version of K3Util still available that works, please let me
know

with dwnld url etc ?

Adrian . vk4tux

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MontyS

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

To my knowledge, no. I have been an LP-Bridge user from "day 1"

Monty K2DLJ

On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Adrian wrote:

> Was there ever a version of K3Util that would connect to LPBridge?
>
>
>
> I have seen screenshots of connections done in the past, and I think
>
> some versions of K3Util that worked around the meta command block .
>
>
>
> If there is a version of K3Util still available that works, please let me
> know
>
> with dwnld url etc ?
>
>
>
> Adrian . vk4tux
>
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Bill W4ZV

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

Monty Shultes wrote

On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Adrian wrote:

> Was there ever a version of K3Util that would connect to LPBridge?

To my knowledge, no. I have been an LP-Bridge user from "day 1"

I agree...LP-PAN beta unit #8.

73, Bill

Keith Heimbold

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

Sorry to piggyback on this but is there anyway to split COM ports so you can utilize the K3 utility and the LP Bridge?

Just curious.

Keith
AG6AZ

Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos

On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:35 PM, "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Monty Shultes wrote
>>
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Adrian wrote:
>>
>>> Was there ever a version of K3Util that would connect to LPBridge?
>>
>> To my knowledge, no. I have been an LP-Bridge user from "day 1"
>>
>
> I agree...LP-PAN beta unit #8.
>
> 73, Bill
>
>
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Bill W4ZV

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

The K3 Utility and LP Bridge can share the same COM port address for the
K3...just not simultaneously.

73, Bill

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Keith Heimbold <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sorry to piggyback on this but is there anyway to split COM ports so you
> can utilize the K3 utility and the LP Bridge?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Keith
> AG6AZ
>
> Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos
>
> On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:35 PM, "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Monty Shultes wrote
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Adrian wrote:
> >>
> >>> Was there ever a version of K3Util that would connect to LPBridge?
> >>
> >> To my knowledge, no. I have been an LP-Bridge user from "day 1"
> >>
> >
> > I agree...LP-PAN beta unit #8.
> >
> > 73, Bill
> >
> >
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

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That cannot be done - RS-232 must have only one set of line drivers on a
signal line.
A Y cable only works if one device has only receivers to listen in on
the data traffic.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/5/2012 4:39 PM, Keith Heimbold wrote:
> Sorry to piggyback on this but is there anyway to split COM ports so you can utilize the K3 utility and the LP Bridge?
>
>
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MontyS

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

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I guess I don't understand the need to have the K3 utility running all the time, but if you want to do that, get a PC board with 2 COM ports.

Monty K2DLJ

On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote:

Bill W4ZV

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

Monty Shultes wrote

I guess I don't understand the need to have the K3 utility running all the time

A possible reason might be to use the terminal capabilities of the K3 Utility simultaneously with a logging program. But I'm sure Elecraft does not want any potential interference while doing critical tasks like uploading firmware, Save/Restore, etc.

73, Bill

Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

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Huh? What are you going to (physically) connect the second port to?!?

~iain / N6ML

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Monty Shultes <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I guess I don't understand the need to have the K3 utility running all the time, but if you want to do that, get a PC board with 2 COM ports.
>
> Monty K2DLJ
>
> On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
>
>>
>> Monty Shultes wrote
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Adrian wrote:
>>>
>>>> Was there ever a version of K3Util that would connect to LPBridge?
>>>
>>> To my knowledge, no. I have been an LP-Bridge user from "day 1"
>>>
>>
>> I agree...LP-PAN beta unit #8.
>>
>> 73, Bill
>>
>>
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Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

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It's technically possible to do this with some additional software,
but I don't think that anyone would recommend it. Neither the K3 nor
any of the software concerned is designed to operate in an environment
where more than one entity is issuing commands to the K3 at the same
time.

It should be noted that LP-Bridge doesn't "split the COM port"; rather
it implements a "Virtual K3" (a representation of what it believes to
be the current state of the real K3), and manages requests coming from
several simultaneous applications against that virtual K3, dispatching
commands to the real K3, and polling it for status, to maintain some
semblance of "sync" between the two. Hopefully this makes it clear why
the K3 Utility (especially for things like firmware upgrades) is
incompatible with LP-Bridge.

73,

~iain / N6ML

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 1:39 PM, Keith Heimbold <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sorry to piggyback on this but is there anyway to split COM ports so you can utilize the K3 utility and the LP Bridge?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Keith
> AG6AZ
>
> Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos
>
> On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:35 PM, "Bill W4ZV" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Monty Shultes wrote
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Adrian wrote:
>>>
>>>> Was there ever a version of K3Util that would connect to LPBridge?
>>>
>>> To my knowledge, no. I have been an LP-Bridge user from "day 1"
>>>
>>
>> I agree...LP-PAN beta unit #8.
>>
>> 73, Bill
>>
>>
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vk4tux

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

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Re:
"I guess I don't understand the need to have the K3 utility running all the time, but if you want to do that, get a PC board with 2 COM ports.

Monty K2DLJ "

How does that work Monty, how can these two pc board comports be connected to the K3 simultaneously?
When you say PC, do you mean a personal computer board?

Why not explain yourself better if you in fact know what you are talking about?

If K3Util had a inbuilt config check box to prevent (meta)autoload then it could be used simultaneously with other useful progs on the K3. I like using the terminal on FSK-D RTTY, that's why I asked. I also want to try it with W4P3.

Easy enough to clear a checkbox and reconnect direct for firmware/config usage.

Other than that is a terminal only version of K3Util a possibility Dick?

Other than that I guess I can try Kcomm.

Adrian ... vk4tux

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

Adrian,

As alternatives to a terminal only K3 Utility
I know Fldigi works through LP-Bridge (but that uses soundcard DATA A
mode or AFSK A mode) because I have used it along with NaP3.

I understand the deficiency - K3 Utility does it with no soundcard.
MMTTY may also work through LP-Bridge, it is worth a try.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/5/2012 6:09 PM, vk4tux wrote:

> Re:
> "I guess I don't understand the need to have the K3 utility running all the
> time, but if you want to do that, get a PC board with 2 COM ports.
>
> Monty K2DLJ "
>
> How does that work Monty, how can these two pc board comports be connected
> to the K3 simultaneously?
> When you say PC, do you mean a personal computer board?
>
> Why not explain yourself better if you in fact know what you are talking
> about?
>
> If K3Util had a inbuilt config check box to prevent (meta)autoload then it
> could be used simultaneously with other useful progs on the K3. I like using
> the terminal on FSK-D RTTY, that's why I asked. I also want to try it with
> W4P3.
>
> Easy enough to clear a checkbox and reconnect direct for firmware/config
> usage.
>
> Other than that is a terminal only version of K3Util a possibility Dick?
>
> Other than that I guess I can try Kcomm.
>
> Adrian ... vk4tux
>
>
>
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MontyS

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

I have never done this so cannot comment further. Another poster referred to what would be needed.

I do use MMTTY and Digipan and Kcomm with LP-Bridge. I use the K3 utility solely for firmware updates.

I hope that is clear enough for an Aussie.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 5, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Adrian,
>
> As alternatives to a terminal only K3 Utility
> I know Fldigi works through LP-Bridge (but that uses soundcard DATA A
> mode or AFSK A mode) because I have used it along with NaP3.
>
> I understand the deficiency - K3 Utility does it with no soundcard.
> MMTTY may also work through LP-Bridge, it is worth a try.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/5/2012 6:09 PM, vk4tux wrote:
>> Re:
>> "I guess I don't understand the need to have the K3 utility running all the
>> time, but if you want to do that, get a PC board with 2 COM ports.
>>
>> Monty K2DLJ "
>>
>> How does that work Monty, how can these two pc board comports be connected
>> to the K3 simultaneously?
>> When you say PC, do you mean a personal computer board?
>>
>> Why not explain yourself better if you in fact know what you are talking
>> about?
>>
>> If K3Util had a inbuilt config check box to prevent (meta)autoload then it
>> could be used simultaneously with other useful progs on the K3. I like using
>> the terminal on FSK-D RTTY, that's why I asked. I also want to try it with
>> W4P3.
>>
>> Easy enough to clear a checkbox and reconnect direct for firmware/config
>> usage.
>>
>> Other than that is a terminal only version of K3Util a possibility Dick?
>>
>> Other than that I guess I can try Kcomm.
>>
>> Adrian ... vk4tux
>>
>>
>>
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vk4tux

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

This post was updated on .

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Re:
"If LP-Bridge had a checkbox to permit the K3 Utility, it could also be used
simultaneously with other programs, allowing the Terminal function.

I spent a couple of days of testing and removed the use of the AI command
wherever I could in the K3 Utility a couple of years ago (June of 2010 as I
recall, but I may be off a bit), informed N8LP, and he chose to make no
LP-Bridge changes to allow the K3 Utility to be connected.

Easy enough as you say, but my time was wasted, as LP-Bridge wasn't changed.

RF gain calibration fails if spurious input arrives, so it's still turned
off (and restored) in RF Gain calibration. That's the only place in the K3
Utility that AIn; is changed.

The K3 Utility has nothing in it that detects LP-Bridge and disallows use of
the K3 Utility.

May I gently suggest that it is the LP-Bridge author that might need to
offer the checkbox to allow the K3 Utility to use LP-Bridge instead of the
other way around? About the only thing you'd want to use it for would be
the terminal page.

Dick, K6KR"

Thankyou Dick, that was very informative. So it seems it is possible depending on LPBridge author etc.
I did find some archive on your work together from a year or two back.

As you say the terminal function is what I want on collaboration with W4P3 etc, and I find it very good.

Adrian ... vk4tux

nb ribscmont

Tony McClenny

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

MMTTY, N1MM and other programs all work for me using one hardware serial
port and/or usb to serial as does DX4Win my logging program - by that I mean
all work at the same time on the single hardware port using LP_Bridge as the
virtual ports - works great!!! Try it and I believe you will like it.

- Tony, N3ME -

118 Ashwood Street
Bethany Beach, DE 19930-9699
(302) 539-5638
Grid: FM28lm

http://www.n3me.net
Elecraft K3 # 2462

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 22:40 PM
To: vk4tux
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3Util with LPBridge

Adrian,

As alternatives to a terminal only K3 Utility I know Fldigi works through
LP-Bridge (but that uses soundcard DATA A mode or AFSK A mode) because I
have used it along with NaP3.

I understand the deficiency - K3 Utility does it with no soundcard.
MMTTY may also work through LP-Bridge, it is worth a try.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/5/2012 6:09 PM, vk4tux wrote:

> Re:
> "I guess I don't understand the need to have the K3 utility running
> all the time, but if you want to do that, get a PC board with 2 COM ports.
>
> Monty K2DLJ "
>
> How does that work Monty, how can these two pc board comports be
> connected to the K3 simultaneously?
> When you say PC, do you mean a personal computer board?
>
> Why not explain yourself better if you in fact know what you are
> talking about?
>
> If K3Util had a inbuilt config check box to prevent (meta)autoload
> then it could be used simultaneously with other useful progs on the
> K3. I like using the terminal on FSK-D RTTY, that's why I asked. I
> also want to try it with W4P3.
>
> Easy enough to clear a checkbox and reconnect direct for
> firmware/config usage.
>
> Other than that is a terminal only version of K3Util a possibility Dick?
>
> Other than that I guess I can try Kcomm.
>
> Adrian ... vk4tux
>
>
>
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Re: K3Util with LPBridge

I have talked with Dick about allowing the K3Utility to work with LP-Bridge, but at this time I just don't think it's a good idea. Some K3Utility functions require absolute integrity of the data stream. A random packet sent from another app could be disastrous. I believe that K3Utility should be run by itself for utmost safety, even though there are a number of operations that would normally run OK through LP-Bridge.

Larry N8LP

<quote author="Tony McClenny">
MMTTY, N1MM and other programs all work for me using one hardware serial
port and/or usb to serial as does DX4Win my logging program - by that I mean
all work at the same time on the single hardware port using LP_Bridge as the
virtual ports - works great!!! Try it and I believe you will like it.

- Tony, N3ME -

118 Ashwood Street
Bethany Beach, DE 19930-9699
(302) 539-5638
Grid: FM28lm

http://www.n3me.net
Elecraft K3 # 2462

vk4tux

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

Larry, If you ever change your mind to release a beta version of LP Bridge with a checkbox to limit auto - meta fill,
and allow terminal processes from K3Util, for that use only, then please put me down as a tester, subscriber to try
please? Feel free to email me directly any such release or information for same info online.

Thankyou.

Adrian ... vk4tux

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Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 4:21 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3Util with LPBridge

I have talked with Dick about allowing the K3Utility to work with LP-Bridge, but at this time I just don't think it's a good idea. Some K3Utility functions require absolute integrity of the data stream. A random packet sent from another app could be disastrous. I believe that K3Utility should be run by itself for utmost safety, even though there are a number of operations that would normally run OK through LP-Bridge.

Larry N8LP

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Keith Heimbold

Re: K3Util with LPBridge

Larry,

I will beta test the terminal application as well if you go down that path.

Regards,

Keith
AG6AZ

Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos

On Jun 6, 2012, at 12:30 PM, "Adrian" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Larry, If you ever change your mind to release a beta version of LP Bridge with a checkbox to limit auto - meta fill,
> and allow terminal processes from K3Util, for that use only, then please put me down as a tester, subscriber to try
> please? Feel free to email me directly any such release or information for same info online.
>
> Thankyou.
>
> Adrian ... vk4tux
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of N8LP
> Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2012 4:21 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3Util with LPBridge
>
> I have talked with Dick about allowing the K3Utility to work with LP-Bridge, but at this time I just don't think it's a good idea. Some K3Utility functions require absolute integrity of the data stream. A random packet sent from another app could be disastrous. I believe that K3Utility should be run by itself for utmost safety, even though there are a number of operations that would normally run OK through LP-Bridge.
>
> Larry N8LP
>
>
>
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