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Jim AB3CV

K3s and RemoteRig

I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig
and K3/Mini for remote operation.

I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some
other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the
rotator and power switching anyway.

I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there."

One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of cables
when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote
operation.

Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this
reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is needed
for the original K3.

For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the
cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer any
advantages when it comes to RR configuration?

Thanks

jim ab3cv
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Jim AB3CV

Re: K3s and RemoteRig

Another K3/0-mini RR question:

If I have a laptop at the control point running my logging program or N1MM+
for contesting how does it communicate with K3/0-mini if the mini is
connected to the RR?

thanks

jim ab3cv

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jim Miller <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig
> and K3/Mini for remote operation.
>
> I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some
> other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the
> rotator and power switching anyway.
>
> I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there."
>
> One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of cables
> when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote
> operation.
>
> Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this
> reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is needed
> for the original K3.
>
> For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the
> cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer any
> advantages when it comes to RR configuration?
>
> Thanks
>
> jim ab3cv
>
>
>

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Rick Tavan-2

Re: K3s and RemoteRig

In reply to this post by Jim AB3CV

It's not nearly as bad as one might think, Jim. I operate my mountain
station both locally and remotely. When I leave that location, I have a
little checklist. Well, it's not completely little, but most of it is stuff
that rarely changes. I don't have to move ANY cables to convert from local
to remote operation. Here's how:

- The local speaker at the remote site connects to SPKR on the K3. The
RRC audio in connects to PHONES. The local headset and speaker are in
parallel but the powered speaker has an Off switch.
- The local mic and the RRC Mic Out connect to K3 Mic In, in parallel.
- The local external keyer and the RRC key out line connect to K3 Key
In, in parallel.
- The local PTT line and the RRC PTT out line connect to K3 PTT In, in
parallel.
- The K3 RS232 connects to a two position rotary DB9 switch. One side
goes to the P3 for local operation only. The other side goes to the RRC for
remote operation only. The Go Remote checklist says "Set RS232 Switch to
Remote." These switches are abundant and cheap online. Mine is called "QVS
SureGrip Commercial Dataswitch." I think it cost about $10.
- The checklist reminds me to set K3 AF gains to 9:00. This isn't
critical but my logger often sends commands to the K3 that cause it to
reset to the physical position of those knobs. (Yes, that's weird.) If
they're fully CCW, the audio goes dead until I twiddle the control side K3
(or K3-0) AF gain control(s).
- I use N1MM Logger Plus at either end, only one at a time. Operating
locally, the computer connects to the P3 and is set to the appropriate COM
port number. At the control site, the computer connects to the control RRC
and is set to the COM port number corresponding to what the RRC confusingly
calls its own "COM1."

- My control site is a K3 which can operate either as a control head for
the remote K3 or as a local radio. Switching is similar to what I describe
above, including an RS232 switch, although Mic, Audio, and PTT circuits are
in the opposite directions.

That's all there is to it except for extra added attractions:

- Amplifier control is via KPA500 Remote, KAT500 Remote and Alpha
Remote. The Elecraft apps run in client/server config with the server side
on a dedicated shack computer ($250) at the remote site. I access Alpha
Remote via a remote desktop facility to the same server.
- Antenna switching is automated at the remote site using Top Ten
decoders, diode matrix, and WX0B Six Pak.
- A remotely controlled relay board controls which amp to use, which
band segments are set on my 80M rotary dipole, and whether the SteppIR or
tribander is in use on the high bands. This is complicated but imminently
achievable.
- Rotator control is via PstRotatorAz, running client/server.
- All 120V AC power is controlled via a remote AC switch box from
Digital Loggers. Older versions work fine and are reasonably priced at
closeout stores. I set mine up with two user IDs. The usual ID only
controls the shack 12VDC PS and the rotor. A special Admin ID can also
power cycle things that usually stay on like the server computer, cable
modem, and router.
- If you choose to use a local server computer like I do, make sure to
get one that reboots after a power failure! Most laptops don't. Most old,
surplus machines intended for server use have this as an optional feature.

In total, it's a lot of integration. But I also have a lot of flexibility.
I still don't have remote panadapter display, dang it. But there is some
good work going on with tools like Win4K3Suite, LP-PAN, external SDRs, etc.
that may help here once I make time to learn them.

GL & 73,

/Rick N6XI

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k6dgw

Re: K3s and RemoteRig

In reply to this post by Jim AB3CV

There are two questions on the list, here's what I know to both:

Re quoted message below: Yes. RemoteRig will install 4 "virtual" COM
ports. View them in the Device Manager under PORTS. If you're
fortunate, they will be labeled RRC-1258 COM0, -COM1, -COM2, and -COM
Extra. See below if you're not fortunate. Following each one, in [ ],
will be another COM port. Find the RRC-1258 COM1 port and use the [COMx]
as the port in your logger as the K3 port. It is really talking to the
remote radio. It's more or less transparent.

For the less fortunate: Sometimes some flavors of Win10 show the ports
in the Device Mangler, however they will be missing the RRC-1258 label.
Watch as you turn on the RRC, they always seem to come up in the order
listed above, label or not.

Re your other message: Yes, it is essentially like "being there," or
more appropriately, it is just as if your K3/mini is making the RF.
There is just barely noticeable latency if you spin the dial rapidly,
and there will be some I'net QRN [quick pops, and snaps], and
occasionally dropouts, depending on your connection and ISP. BW
requirements are fairly low, maybe 150-200 KBps, from watching the
router here[50 MBps ATT Uverse] here.

Teamviewer [or similar] can be used to control your station automation,
including the control program for the KPA500 or [I presume] the
KPA1500. Getting the P3 to work is another issue with no simple answer.
The P3 takes input from the remote K3's 8 MHz first IF. The P3 at the
remote is also connected to the remote K3 which makes the various modes
work and track the radio.I'm sure many technological suggestions will be
forthcoming here, but believe me, it is non-trivial.

Teamviewer latency is annoyingand makes dragging windows around the
screen or resizing them very frustrating. Controlling rotators works OK
but you need to cultivate a high degree of patience with the mouse.

If you want to switch the remote radio to local when you're there, just
disconnect the RRC-1258. A lot of the details depend on how you're
keying and connecting the mic/headphones/spkrs. Running remote, keying
the mini [from the internal keyer or the key jack] keys the remote. The
mic/line in function just as if they were connected AT the remote.

Hope this helps

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 8/13/2017 5:34 PM, Jim Miller wrote:

> Another K3/0-mini RR question:
>
> If I have a laptop at the control point running my logging program or N1MM+
> for contesting how does it communicate with K3/0-mini if the mini is
> connected to the RR?
>
> thanks
>
> jim ab3cv
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jim Miller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig
>> and K3/Mini for remote operation.
>>
>> I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some
>> other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the
>> rotator and power switching anyway.
>>
>> I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there."
>>
>> One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of cables
>> when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote
>> operation.
>>
>> Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this
>> reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is needed
>> for the original K3.
>>
>> For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the
>> cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer any
>> advantages when it comes to RR configuration?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> jim ab3cv
>>
>>
>>
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Jim Rhodes-2

Re: K3s and RemoteRig

Rick and Skip, you forget that the k3s has a direct UPS connection and
internal sound card that users often prefer to use as there is then less
cabling involved. This is not possible with remoterig as far as I know.
Wish it were.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Aug 13, 2017 23:59, "Fred Jensen" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> There are two questions on the list, here's what I know to both:
>
> Re quoted message below: Yes. RemoteRig will install 4 "virtual" COM
> ports. View them in the Device Manager under PORTS. If you're fortunate,
> they will be labeled RRC-1258 COM0, -COM1, -COM2, and -COM Extra. See
> below if you're not fortunate. Following each one, in [ ], will be another
> COM port. Find the RRC-1258 COM1 port and use the [COMx] as the port in
> your logger as the K3 port. It is really talking to the remote radio.
> It's more or less transparent.
>
> For the less fortunate: Sometimes some flavors of Win10 show the ports in
> the Device Mangler, however they will be missing the RRC-1258 label. Watch
> as you turn on the RRC, they always seem to come up in the order listed
> above, label or not.
>
> Re your other message: Yes, it is essentially like "being there," or more
> appropriately, it is just as if your K3/mini is making the RF. There is
> just barely noticeable latency if you spin the dial rapidly, and there will
> be some I'net QRN [quick pops, and snaps], and occasionally dropouts,
> depending on your connection and ISP. BW requirements are fairly low,
> maybe 150-200 KBps, from watching the router here[50 MBps ATT Uverse] here.
>
> Teamviewer [or similar] can be used to control your station automation,
> including the control program for the KPA500 or [I presume] the KPA1500.
> Getting the P3 to work is another issue with no simple answer. The P3 takes
> input from the remote K3's 8 MHz first IF. The P3 at the remote is also
> connected to the remote K3 which makes the various modes work and track the
> radio.I'm sure many technological suggestions will be forthcoming here, but
> believe me, it is non-trivial.
>
> Teamviewer latency is annoyingand makes dragging windows around the screen
> or resizing them very frustrating. Controlling rotators works OK but you
> need to cultivate a high degree of patience with the mouse.
>
> If you want to switch the remote radio to local when you're there, just
> disconnect the RRC-1258. A lot of the details depend on how you're keying
> and connecting the mic/headphones/spkrs. Running remote, keying the mini
> [from the internal keyer or the key jack] keys the remote. The mic/line in
> function just as if they were connected AT the remote.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
> On 8/13/2017 5:34 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
>
>> Another K3/0-mini RR question:
>>
>> If I have a laptop at the control point running my logging program or
>> N1MM+
>> for contesting how does it communicate with K3/0-mini if the mini is
>> connected to the RR?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> jim ab3cv
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jim Miller <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig
>>> and K3/Mini for remote operation.
>>>
>>> I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some
>>> other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the
>>> rotator and power switching anyway.
>>>
>>> I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there."
>>>
>>> One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of
>>> cables
>>> when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote
>>> operation.
>>>
>>> Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this
>>> reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is needed
>>> for the original K3.
>>>
>>> For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the
>>> cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer any
>>> advantages when it comes to RR configuration?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> jim ab3cv
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Jim AB3CV

Re: K3s and RemoteRig

Thanks for all info so far. I *do* enjoy the reduced cabling resulting from
the upgrade from K3 to K3S. Looks like that goes away with RemoteRig.

I'll keep looking...

73

jim ab3cv

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 6:45 AM, Jim Rhodes <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Rick and Skip, you forget that the k3s has a direct UPS connection and
> internal sound card that users often prefer to use as there is then less
> cabling involved. This is not possible with remoterig as far as I know.
> Wish it were.
>
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU
>
> On Aug 13, 2017 23:59, "Fred Jensen" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > There are two questions on the list, here's what I know to both:
> >
> > Re quoted message below: Yes. RemoteRig will install 4 "virtual" COM
> > ports. View them in the Device Manager under PORTS. If you're
> fortunate,
> > they will be labeled RRC-1258 COM0, -COM1, -COM2, and -COM Extra. See
> > below if you're not fortunate. Following each one, in [ ], will be
> another
> > COM port. Find the RRC-1258 COM1 port and use the [COMx] as the port in
> > your logger as the K3 port. It is really talking to the remote radio.
> > It's more or less transparent.
> >
> > For the less fortunate: Sometimes some flavors of Win10 show the ports in
> > the Device Mangler, however they will be missing the RRC-1258 label.
> Watch
> > as you turn on the RRC, they always seem to come up in the order listed
> > above, label or not.
> >
> > Re your other message: Yes, it is essentially like "being there," or more
> > appropriately, it is just as if your K3/mini is making the RF. There is
> > just barely noticeable latency if you spin the dial rapidly, and there
> will
> > be some I'net QRN [quick pops, and snaps], and occasionally dropouts,
> > depending on your connection and ISP. BW requirements are fairly low,
> > maybe 150-200 KBps, from watching the router here[50 MBps ATT Uverse]
> here.
> >
> > Teamviewer [or similar] can be used to control your station automation,
> > including the control program for the KPA500 or [I presume] the KPA1500.
> > Getting the P3 to work is another issue with no simple answer. The P3
> takes
> > input from the remote K3's 8 MHz first IF. The P3 at the remote is also
> > connected to the remote K3 which makes the various modes work and track
> the
> > radio.I'm sure many technological suggestions will be forthcoming here,
> but
> > believe me, it is non-trivial.
> >
> > Teamviewer latency is annoyingand makes dragging windows around the
> screen
> > or resizing them very frustrating. Controlling rotators works OK but you
> > need to cultivate a high degree of patience with the mouse.
> >
> > If you want to switch the remote radio to local when you're there, just
> > disconnect the RRC-1258. A lot of the details depend on how you're
> keying
> > and connecting the mic/headphones/spkrs. Running remote, keying the mini
> > [from the internal keyer or the key jack] keys the remote. The mic/line
> in
> > function just as if they were connected AT the remote.
> >
> > Hope this helps
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> > Sparks NV USA
> > Washoe County DM09dn
> >
> > On 8/13/2017 5:34 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> >
> >> Another K3/0-mini RR question:
> >>
> >> If I have a laptop at the control point running my logging program or
> >> N1MM+
> >> for contesting how does it communicate with K3/0-mini if the mini is
> >> connected to the RR?
> >>
> >> thanks
> >>
> >> jim ab3cv
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Jim Miller <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a K3s, P3 (and someday a KPA1500) and I'm considering a RemoteRig
> >>> and K3/Mini for remote operation.
> >>>
> >>> I realize the P3 access and KPA1500 if any will need to come from some
> >>> other source like Teamviewer or VNC. I need that for controlling the
> >>> rotator and power switching anyway.
> >>>
> >>> I'm told that RR/K3-mini performance is like "being there."
> >>>
> >>> One issue I have is the amount of disconnecting and reconnecting of
> >>> cables
> >>> when switching from local operation of the K3s to setting up for remote
> >>> operation.
> >>>
> >>> Nothing I've seen in the documentation leads me to believe that this
> >>> reconfiguration of cabling for the K3s is any simpler that what is
> needed
> >>> for the original K3.
> >>>
> >>> For those of you who have RR and a K3s: did I miss something? Does the
> >>> cleaned up wiring on the K3s via USB for normal local operation offer
> any
> >>> advantages when it comes to RR configuration?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> jim ab3cv
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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k6dgw

Re: K3s and RemoteRig

In reply to this post by Jim Rhodes-2

Now you've gone and confused me again. [:-) My control radio is a K3
[old, S/N 642]. I have a9PDT data switch that switches the K3 serial
RS-232 CAT port from the RemoteRig [for remote operations] to my local
computer [when running from home]. The K3 requires that I connect the
mic and headphones to the RRC box for remote and to the K3 for local
operation, which is mildly annoying.

The K3s and K3/0 [mini] provide an integrated USB connection, and
Elecraft provides a nifty one-cable-to-three-cables mini-octopus that
neatly connects all of these, achieving exactly the same functionwith
the RemoteRig that I get, but with more appealing cables, fewer of them
than I have, and you don't have to move mic and phones. Helped a new
remote user set up his K3/0-RemoteRig a couple of weeks ago. Worked
fine. What am I missing?

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 8/14/2017 3:45 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> Rick and Skip, you forget that the k3s has a direct UPS connection and
> internal sound card that users often prefer to use as there is then
> less cabling involved. This is not possible with remoterig as far as I
> know. Wish it were.
>
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU
>

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k6dgw

Re: K3s and RemoteRig

In reply to this post by Jim AB3CV

Yes, exactly. Elecraft provides [for a small charge] a cable adapter
that neatly connects the RemoteRig to the K3s or K3/0 via the USB port.
Your micand headphones go into the K3s or K3/0 giving you all the
options of front/back panel, bias on/off from the menu, etc.To operate
locally from the control site, just pull the USB connector from the
RemoteRig box.

With a K3 as control, as I have, the RemoteRig connects to the K3 RS-232
CAT port, and when operating remote, the mic and phones go to the RRC
box. For local operation on my HOA Stealth ant, I have to disconnect the
CAT port and move the mic and phones to the K3. The K3 internal keyer
only works locally.

So, not *all* the cablingand plugging/unplugging goes away with a K3s or
K3/0, but much of it does, what is left is fairly esthetic [if you're
into artful cables], and the functions in the K3s or K3/0 all work
normally, remote or local. Almost enough to prompt me to upgrade to a K3s.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 8/14/2017 8:19 AM, Jim Miller wrote:

> Thanks for all info so far. I *do* enjoy the reduced cabling resulting
> from the upgrade from K3 to K3S. Looks like that goes away with
> RemoteRig.
>
> I'll keep looking...
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
>

Rick Tavan-2

Re: K3s and RemoteRig

In reply to this post by k6dgw

Teamviewer and similar are remote desktop tools that are indeed useful for
controlling automation when the user interface application can not be run
at the control site. However, like Fred says, these tools are awkward. I
try to minimize their use. There are two mitigating techniques:

1. My favorite is control applications that can run as a client/server
pair. In particular, KPA500 Remote, KAT500 Remote, and PstRotatorAz all
have excellent client/server characteristics. When you do it this way, you
have full freedom in moving, sizing, and configuring the appearance of
automation control application windows at the control site. It does,
however, require a computer at the remote radio site.
2. If a control application doesn't support client/server operation, it
may still be usable at the control site through the use of remote serial
ports. These are hardware boxes (or naked boards!) installed at the radio
site that connect to the controlled device through a serial port or USB
equivalent and to the Internet. At the control site, software makes the
device appear as a local, virtual serial port. This technique can also be
used with the above-mentioned apps that do support c/s even if you don't
have a server computer at the radio site. I don't use this technique (yet)
but have seen it work in others' remote control systems.

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:58 PM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Teamviewer [or similar] can be used to control your station automation,
> including the control program for the KPA500 or [I presume] the KPA1500.
> Getting the P3 to work is another issue with no simple answer. The P3 takes
> input from the remote K3's 8 MHz first IF. The P3 at the remote is also
> connected to the remote K3 which makes the various modes work and track the
> radio.I'm sure many technological suggestions will be forthcoming here, but
> believe me, it is non-trivial.
>
> Teamviewer latency is annoyingand makes dragging windows around the screen
> or resizing them very frustrating. Controlling rotators works OK but you
> need to cultivate a high degree of patience with the mouse.
>

Jim AB3CV

Re: K3s and RemoteRig

In reply to this post by k6dgw

All good until you try to use the P3 locally. Then cabling turns into
spaghetti again. We'll not exactly spaghetti but less orderly.

Spoiled by local K3S/P3. ;-)

jim ab3cv

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes, exactly. Elecraft provides [for a small charge] a cable adapter that
> neatly connects the RemoteRig to the K3s or K3/0 via the USB port. Your
> micand headphones go into the K3s or K3/0 giving you all the options of
> front/back panel, bias on/off from the menu, etc.To operate locally from
> the control site, just pull the USB connector from the RemoteRig box.
>
> With a K3 as control, as I have, the RemoteRig connects to the K3 RS-232
> CAT port, and when operating remote, the mic and phones go to the RRC box.
> For local operation on my HOA Stealth ant, I have to disconnect the CAT
> port and move the mic and phones to the K3. The K3 internal keyer only
> works locally.
>
> So, not *all* the cablingand plugging/unplugging goes away with a K3s or
> K3/0, but much of it does, what is left is fairly esthetic [if you're into
> artful cables], and the functions in the K3s or K3/0 all work normally,
> remote or local. Almost enough to prompt me to upgrade to a K3s.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
> On 8/14/2017 8:19 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all info so far. I *do* enjoy the reduced cabling resulting
>> from the upgrade from K3 to K3S. Looks like that goes away with RemoteRig.
>>
>> I'll keep looking...
>>
>> 73
>>
>> jim ab3cv
>>
>>
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Re: K3s and RemoteRig

In reply to this post by k6dgw

I don't think you're missing anything, Fred. You're describing what you do
at the control site whereas much of the thread has concerned the radio
site. There are differences that I alluded to in my long post but did not
detail.

At my control site I use an SO2R box to route mic, key, phones, and PTT
lines either to the local K3 or to the Control RRC, which looks to the SO2R
box like another radio. This eliminates cable swapping on the Control side.

(I also use an SO2R box at the radio site for real SO2R when I'm there. I
omitted that in my long post for simplicity. And, finally, my control site
switching makes it theoretically possible to conduct SO2Q operation with
active radios at two different QTHs! That isn't legal for any contest I
know of but would sure be a lot of fun. I intend to try it when I free up
some desk space at my control QTH!)

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Fred Jensen <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Now you've gone and confused me again. [:-) My control radio is a K3 [old,
> S/N 642]. I have a9PDT data switch that switches the K3 serial RS-232 CAT
> port from the RemoteRig [for remote operations] to my local computer [when
> running from home]. The K3 requires that I connect the mic and headphones
> to the RRC box for remote and to the K3 for local operation, which is
> mildly annoying.
>
> The K3s and K3/0 [mini] provide an integrated USB connection, and Elecraft
> provides a nifty one-cable-to-three-cables mini-octopus that neatly
> connects all of these, achieving exactly the same functionwith the
> RemoteRig that I get, but with more appealing cables, fewer of them than I
> have, and you don't have to move mic and phones. Helped a new remote user
> set up his K3/0-RemoteRig a couple of weeks ago. Worked fine. What am I
> missing?
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
> On 8/14/2017 3:45 AM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>
>> Rick and Skip, you forget that the k3s has a direct UPS connection and
>> internal sound card that users often prefer to use as there is then less
>> cabling involved. This is not possible with remoterig as far as I know.
>> Wish it were.
>>
>> Jim Rhodes
>> K0XU
>>
>>
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