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Re: K4 Headphones Q

Edward H Russell
I think the context of the conversation was Bluetooth wireless headsets (I
referred to them as "wireless"), which of course are digital. At any rate
that's what I was referring to. Sorry for any confusion.

ED / W2RF


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On 10/14/2020 8:31 AM, E.H. Russell wrote:
> Wireless introduces latency, wired does not.

DIGITAL introduces latency, NOT radio. ANALOG radio over short distances
does NOT add latency. In systems like Bluetooth, it is the A/D and D/A
conversions that add latency, NOT the radio transmission of the digital
signal.

73, Jim K9YC
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Re: K4 Headphones Q

Rich NE1EE
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I have been following this thread with interest. I am considering the Bose QC-35 headphones. I wanted a boom mic to go with, but I have not found one with decent reviews. Has anyone experience with one that works w the QC-35 II? I guess that by plugging into the headphone the boom mic disconnects the internal mic. It looks like that mic then plugs into my rig using a TRRS, and feeds mic and speakers. Is this the way it works? That would make the plug into the ear cup a speaker feed? I could see almost any good mic working, even if what I needed to do is run 2 cords: one for the mic and one for the audio. That would let them work for CW. And otherwise, there should not be a problem?

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Re: K4 Headphones Q

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Hi Rich,

I wanted a similar result, that is noise canceling headphones combined with
a headset mic. After many trials, I came to the following solution:

        Bose QC35 headphones on wired connection
        Shure MX153B/O-TQG headset

They both are corded. The Shure fits over the ear and under the QC35 so that
it is barely noticeable.

I highly recommend this solution as providing both excellent noise
cancellation and superb audio quality.

ED / W2RF




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I have been following this thread with interest. I am considering the Bose
QC-35 headphones. I wanted a boom mic to go with, but I have not found one
with decent reviews. Has anyone experience with one that works w the QC-35
II? I guess that by plugging into the headphone the boom mic disconnects the
internal mic. It looks like that mic then plugs into my rig using a TRRS,
and feeds mic and speakers. Is this the way it works? That would make the
plug into the ear cup a speaker feed? I could see almost any good mic
working, even if what I needed to do is run 2 cords: one for the mic and one
for the audio. That would let them work for CW. And otherwise, there should
not be a problem?

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Re: K4 Headphones Q

Rich NE1EE
On 2020-10-14 18:45:-0400, E.H. Russell wrote:
>Hi Rich,
>
>I wanted a similar result, that is noise canceling headphones combined with
>a headset mic. After many trials, I came to the following solution:
>
>        Bose QC35 headphones on wired connection
>        Shure MX153B/O-TQG headset

Thanks, Ed,
It is helpful to have a recommendation with time under its belt. I browsed for this device. It seems to be terminated in  TQG / TA4F connector... I suppose that there is an adapter for this. Do you then have a way to mute the Bose mic? I don't mind wires. I am not happy with BT connectivity in general.

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Re: K4 Headphones Q

Edward H Russell
Rich,

I use this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Z0EP3I/  which converts the mic to XLR and also boosts RFI resistance. For some this might be getting pricey for a headset and it's also possible that other solutions are now available (I got mine in Feb). But to me it offered the combination I wanted. The QC series Bose (any of them: 15, 25, 35) noise cancelling makes even extended operation such a pleasure, and with the Shure I can easily add a great mic.

With the QC-35 I don't think the internal mic is passed in the cord. At any rate I have not had a problem with it. The 15 and 25 do include it, but if there is a problem it could be easily corrected with an adapter. I have a 25 on one rig and did not need one.

TKS,
73 ED W2RF




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On 2020-10-14 18:45:-0400, E.H. Russell wrote:
>Hi Rich,
>
>I wanted a similar result, that is noise canceling headphones combined
>with a headset mic. After many trials, I came to the following solution:
>
>        Bose QC35 headphones on wired connection
>        Shure MX153B/O-TQG headset

Thanks, Ed,
It is helpful to have a recommendation with time under its belt. I browsed for this device. It seems to be terminated in  TQG / TA4F connector... I suppose that there is an adapter for this. Do you then have a way to mute the Bose mic? I don't mind wires. I am not happy with BT connectivity in general.

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Re: K4 Headphones Q

Ed K1EP
Bose makes a QC35 II gamer headset. It comes with a boom mic which plugs in
in place of the cord. Bose usually sells these accessories separately.

https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/headphones/gaming_headset/quietcomfort-35-gaming-headset.html?mc=25_PE_QG_GMA201014&ad_rid=114055774&ad_blid=1301113333&mi_u=114055774&cid=DM373294&bid=1301113333&sc=Loyal%20Engagers/Remainder#v=qc35_ii_gaming_black

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 05:43 E.H. Russell <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Rich,
>
> I use this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Z0EP3I/  which converts
> the mic to XLR and also boosts RFI resistance. For some this might be
> getting pricey for a headset and it's also possible that other solutions
> are now available (I got mine in Feb). But to me it offered the combination
> I wanted. The QC series Bose (any of them: 15, 25, 35) noise cancelling
> makes even extended operation such a pleasure, and with the Shure I can
> easily add a great mic.
>
> With the QC-35 I don't think the internal mic is passed in the cord. At
> any rate I have not had a problem with it. The 15 and 25 do include it, but
> if there is a problem it could be easily corrected with an adapter. I have
> a 25 on one rig and did not need one.
>
> TKS,
> 73 ED W2RF
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich NE1EE <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:12 PM
> To: E.H. Russell <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K4 Headphones Q
>
> On 2020-10-14 18:45:-0400, E.H. Russell wrote:
> >Hi Rich,
> >
> >I wanted a similar result, that is noise canceling headphones combined
> >with a headset mic. After many trials, I came to the following solution:
> >
> >        Bose QC35 headphones on wired connection
> >        Shure MX153B/O-TQG headset
>
> Thanks, Ed,
> It is helpful to have a recommendation with time under its belt. I browsed
> for this device. It seems to be terminated in  TQG / TA4F connector... I
> suppose that there is an adapter for this. Do you then have a way to mute
> the Bose mic? I don't mind wires. I am not happy with BT connectivity in
> general.
>
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Re: K4 Headphones Q

Edward H Russell
The Bose QC-35 gaming headset seems to be set for release on Oct 20.

 

This is also an option (for only $27):

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Boom-Microphone-Playstation-QuietComfort/dp/B07W3W9LHV

I’m ordering one to test.

 

Tks,

73 Ed w2rf

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Headphones Q

 

Bose makes a QC35 II gamer headset. It comes with a boom mic which plugs in in place of the cord. Bose usually sells these accessories separately.  

 

https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/headphones/gaming_headset/quietcomfort-35-gaming-headset.html?mc=25_PE_QG_GMA201014 <https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/headphones/gaming_headset/quietcomfort-35-gaming-headset.html?mc=25_PE_QG_GMA201014&ad_rid=114055774&ad_blid=1301113333&mi_u=114055774&cid=DM373294&bid=1301113333&sc=Loyal%20Engagers/Remainder#v=qc35_ii_gaming_black> &ad_rid=114055774&ad_blid=1301113333&mi_u=114055774&cid=DM373294&bid=1301113333&sc=Loyal%20Engagers/Remainder#v=qc35_ii_gaming_black

 

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 05:43 E.H. Russell <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > wrote:

Rich,

I use this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Z0EP3I/  which converts the mic to XLR and also boosts RFI resistance. For some this might be getting pricey for a headset and it's also possible that other solutions are now available (I got mine in Feb). But to me it offered the combination I wanted. The QC series Bose (any of them: 15, 25, 35) noise cancelling makes even extended operation such a pleasure, and with the Shure I can easily add a great mic.

With the QC-35 I don't think the internal mic is passed in the cord. At any rate I have not had a problem with it. The 15 and 25 do include it, but if there is a problem it could be easily corrected with an adapter. I have a 25 on one rig and did not need one.

TKS,
73 ED W2RF




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Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K4 Headphones Q

On 2020-10-14 18:45:-0400, E.H. Russell wrote:
>Hi Rich,
>
>I wanted a similar result, that is noise canceling headphones combined
>with a headset mic. After many trials, I came to the following solution:
>
>        Bose QC35 headphones on wired connection
>        Shure MX153B/O-TQG headset

Thanks, Ed,
It is helpful to have a recommendation with time under its belt. I browsed for this device. It seems to be terminated in  TQG / TA4F connector... I suppose that there is an adapter for this. Do you then have a way to mute the Bose mic? I don't mind wires. I am not happy with BT connectivity in general.

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Re: K4 Headphones Q

Ed K1EP
I have one of these aftermarket boom mics for my QC25. It works fine. Just
be careful of the wiring of the L and R channels because the adapter
splitters sometimes switch them.

On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 08:32 E.H. Russell <[hidden email]> wrote:

> The Bose QC-35 gaming headset seems to be set for release on Oct 20.
>
>
>
> This is also an option (for only $27):
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Boom-Microphone-Playstation-QuietComfort/dp/B07W3W9LHV
>
> I’m ordering one to test.
>
>
>
> Tks,
>
> 73 Ed w2rf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ed K1EP <[hidden email]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 15, 2020 7:19 AM
> *To:* E.H. Russell <[hidden email]>
> *Cc:* Rich NE1EE <[hidden email]>; Elecraft Mailing List <
> [hidden email]>
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] K4 Headphones Q
>
>
>
> Bose makes a QC35 II gamer headset. It comes with a boom mic which plugs
> in in place of the cord. Bose usually sells these accessories separately.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.bose.com/en_us/products/headphones/gaming_headset/quietcomfort-35-gaming-headset.html?mc=25_PE_QG_GMA201014&ad_rid=114055774&ad_blid=1301113333&mi_u=114055774&cid=DM373294&bid=1301113333&sc=Loyal%20Engagers/Remainder#v=qc35_ii_gaming_black
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2020, 05:43 E.H. Russell <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Rich,
>
> I use this https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000Z0EP3I/  which converts
> the mic to XLR and also boosts RFI resistance. For some this might be
> getting pricey for a headset and it's also possible that other solutions
> are now available (I got mine in Feb). But to me it offered the combination
> I wanted. The QC series Bose (any of them: 15, 25, 35) noise cancelling
> makes even extended operation such a pleasure, and with the Shure I can
> easily add a great mic.
>
> With the QC-35 I don't think the internal mic is passed in the cord. At
> any rate I have not had a problem with it. The 15 and 25 do include it, but
> if there is a problem it could be easily corrected with an adapter. I have
> a 25 on one rig and did not need one.
>
> TKS,
> 73 ED W2RF
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rich NE1EE <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2020 8:12 PM
> To: E.H. Russell <[hidden email]>; [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K4 Headphones Q
>
> On 2020-10-14 18:45:-0400, E.H. Russell wrote:
> >Hi Rich,
> >
> >I wanted a similar result, that is noise canceling headphones combined
> >with a headset mic. After many trials, I came to the following solution:
> >
> >        Bose QC35 headphones on wired connection
> >        Shure MX153B/O-TQG headset
>
> Thanks, Ed,
> It is helpful to have a recommendation with time under its belt. I browsed
> for this device. It seems to be terminated in  TQG / TA4F connector... I
> suppose that there is an adapter for this. Do you then have a way to mute
> the Bose mic? I don't mind wires. I am not happy with BT connectivity in
> general.
>
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Re: K4 Headphones Q

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I just received the cable I ordered from Amazon to replace the one that came with the Bose QC-35 II headphones.  Made in China, not surprisingly, but has a 5', flexible, braided cover and comes with a screw-on 1/4" adaptor for the front panel headphone jack.  It came just in time before my cat ate through the very thin, OEM cable.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B088CNY2VV/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Unlike my ancient Bose QC2 headphones, they work without turning them on, saving the rechargeable battery, when noise cancelling (or Bluetooth) isn't required.

They work great with my cell phone using Bluetooth too.

73,  Jim N7US

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The rechargeable battery with noise cancelling on and Bluetooth off is rated at 40 hours.  It uses the same USB charging plug as my Logitech keyboard, so I have a charging cable on my desk.

I connect to my K3S with the cable, which is inadequate.  It's 4' long, lightweight, and flimsy.  The jack on the headphones is a sub-mini, 2.5mm, and the other end is a mini-phone plug, 3.5mm.  Amazon has several replacement cables that are heavier and designed for these headphones.

73,  Jim N7US

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How about latency for CW either wired or wireless?

How do you deal with battery life in contesting?

Stay safe!

Jim ab3cv

On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 10:35 AM Jim McDonald <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Over the ear - very comfortable.
>
> Top rated (87) by Consumer Reports - tied with the new model.
>
> 73,  Jim N7US
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Do the QC-35 rest on your ear or are they over the ear?
>
> Rich - N5ZC
>
> On 10/14/2020 7:59 AM, Jim McDonald wrote:
> > I just bought a pair yesterday at a closeout price of $170 from my
> > local
> Costco.  They have been discontinued.  Costco online is now out of
> stock, but some stores still have them.  Amazon has them for $199 now.
> >
> > My favorite headphones up to now has been Sennheiser HD 280 PRO but
> these sound great and eliminate the noise from my KPA1500 with the fan
> on
> #2 and a nearby water heater fan.  No comparison with my old QC2
headphones.

> >
> > 73,  Jim N7US
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> >
> > I also use a QC-35. When plugged in with a cord, the power must be
> > on
> for the noise cancelling to work. That also turns on the DSP which
> greatly improves audio quality.
> >
> > ED / W2RF
> >
> >
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Jim AB3CV
I took a chance on the QC-35 while on sale and so far I'm pleased. I also
bought an accessory boom mike that plugs into the connector on the QC-35
and so far that has worked well in OTA tests. My QC-15 no longer attenuates
my KPA1500 fans beyond just covering my ears with the cups so something has
gone wrong with those. The QC-35 are very effective. I use a ModMic with
the QC-15 which works very well and may substitute for the accessory mike
if that doesn't pan out.

The boom mike came with a much more rugged cable than the one which came
with the QC-35. I was concerned about the mike moving but with the shirt
clip I find it stays in place to my satisfaction. I don't know if it will
reject amp fan noise however. I'll have to try that today. The fan never
gets above speed 2 on SSB so not much of a challenge. The boom mike came
with a TRRS to dual TRS splitter which worked well on the back on my K3s.

The QC35 claims 40hrs of battery life when wired which is far more time
than I'll ever put in any contest so that isn't a concern. When unplugged
it becomes a Bluetooth set which I've paired with both my phone and PC.
That means that I no longer need a PC headset cluttering up my desk.for
when I want to do MorseRunner or listen to a Youtube session.

73 and stay safe!

jim ab3cv
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Rich NE1EE
On 2020-10-18 10:10:-0400, Jim Miller wrote:
>I took a chance on the QC-35 while on sale and so far I'm pleased. I also
>bought an accessory boom mike that plugs into the connector on the QC-35
>and so far that has worked well in OTA tests.

Which boom mike do you have?

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Jim AB3CV
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07W3W9LHV/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

jim ab3cv

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> On 2020-10-18 10:10:-0400, Jim Miller wrote:
> >I took a chance on the QC-35 while on sale and so far I'm pleased. I also
> >bought an accessory boom mike that plugs into the connector on the QC-35
> >and so far that has worked well in OTA tests.
>
> Which boom mike do you have?
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Jim AB3CV
Just did an OTA test and Fan Speed 2 was inaudible but Fan speed 3 could be
easily heard. But since I've never seen Fan 3 in an SSB environment that I
can remember I think this will do. Obviously other shack noise similar to
FS3 would also be an issue but that never happens here. M/M environments
may not work.

I'll run a test later with my ModMic to see how that fares vs fan speed
setting for comparison.

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jim ab3cv

On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 10:42 AM Jim Miller <[hidden email]> wrote:

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> On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 10:39 AM Rich NE1EE <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> On 2020-10-18 10:10:-0400, Jim Miller wrote:
>> >I took a chance on the QC-35 while on sale and so far I'm pleased. I also
>> >bought an accessory boom mike that plugs into the connector on the QC-35
>> >and so far that has worked well in OTA tests.
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>> Which boom mike do you have?
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Re: K4 Headphones Q

Edward H Russell
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I did an initial test of this headset yesterday and found that the audio
quality was good, but there was some background hiss. It could have been
because the headset was not properly powered, since I have it plugged in to
my mixer with phantom to 2.5v jerry rigged. I have a proper adapter coming
tomorrow, and will do some proper analytics and comparison to other mics.

ED / W2RF




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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Headphones Q

I took a chance on the QC-35 while on sale and so far I'm pleased. I also
bought an accessory boom mike that plugs into the connector on the QC-35 and
so far that has worked well in OTA tests. My QC-15 no longer attenuates my
KPA1500 fans beyond just covering my ears with the cups so something has
gone wrong with those. The QC-35 are very effective. I use a ModMic with the
QC-15 which works very well and may substitute for the accessory mike if
that doesn't pan out.

The boom mike came with a much more rugged cable than the one which came
with the QC-35. I was concerned about the mike moving but with the shirt
clip I find it stays in place to my satisfaction. I don't know if it will
reject amp fan noise however. I'll have to try that today. The fan never
gets above speed 2 on SSB so not much of a challenge. The boom mike came
with a TRRS to dual TRS splitter which worked well on the back on my K3s.

The QC35 claims 40hrs of battery life when wired which is far more time than
I'll ever put in any contest so that isn't a concern. When unplugged it
becomes a Bluetooth set which I've paired with both my phone and PC.
That means that I no longer need a PC headset cluttering up my desk.for when
I want to do MorseRunner or listen to a Youtube session.

73 and stay safe!

jim ab3cv
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