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Ian, NV4C

Re: K4 Pricing Posted

Eric/Wayne,

Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built
models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be
for the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out
from the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start
saving for when they *are* announced.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C
K3 #281 P3 #681

On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:

> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
>
> K4-F - $4,099.95
> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> K4HD - TBD
> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>
> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>
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wayne burdick

Re: K4 Pricing Posted

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Ian,

Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer than we'd hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and manufacturing/shipping procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved (including me) have been preoccupied.

Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory assembly, it won't impact your position in the queue.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Eric/Wayne,
>
> Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for when they *are* announced.
>
> 73 de,
>
> Ian, NV4C
> K3 #281 P3 #681
>
> On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
>> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
>>
>> K4-F - $4,099.95
>> K4D-F - $4,999.95
>> K4HD - TBD
>> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>>
>> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>>
>> Lou, W0FK
>>
>>
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Ian, NV4C

Re: K4 Pricing Posted

Wayne,

I completely understand the challenges with getting the kit version ready.
I don't have a prepaid order and am perfectly willing to wait (although,
admittedly, with baited breath :-) ) for the Elecraft team to be able to
get all the pieces and parts of the kits ready to go, safely and
efficiently.

I am just curious about the estimated cost difference between the factory
version and the kits. I want to start putting aside my pennies now, and
want to have a somewhat reasonable target.

I hope for everyone on the Elecraft team to be and stay safe, both from
COVID and the fires.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 3:51 PM Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Ian,
>
> Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer than
> we'd hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and
> manufacturing/shipping procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved
> (including me) have been preoccupied.
>
> Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory
> assembly, it won't impact your position in the queue.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Eric/Wayne,
> >
> > Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built
> models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for
> the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from
> the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for
> when they *are* announced.
> >
> > 73 de,
> >
> > Ian, NV4C
> > K3 #281 P3 #681
> >
> > On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> >> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> >>
> >> K4-F - $4,099.95
> >> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> >> K4HD - TBD
> >> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
> >>
> >> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
> >>
> >> Lou, W0FK
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Phil Genera

Re: K4 Pricing Posted

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On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 3:52 PM Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hold on a second there, are pre-orders for K4 kits being accepted? If so
I've got a check to write...

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Phil
w1jv

>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Eric/Wayne,
> >
> > Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built
> models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for
> the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from
> the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for
> when they *are* announced.
> >
> > 73 de,
> >
> > Ian, NV4C
> > K3 #281 P3 #681
> >
> > On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> >> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> >>
> >> K4-F - $4,099.95
> >> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> >> K4HD - TBD
> >> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
> >>
> >> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
> >>
> >> Lou, W0FK
> >>
> >>
> >>
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wayne burdick

Re: K4 Pricing Posted

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If they weren't before, then they aren't now, either...yet. Sorry for any potential confusion.

Wayne

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Phil Genera <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 3:52 PM Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Ian,
>
> Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer than we'd hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and manufacturing/shipping procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved (including me) have been preoccupied.
>
> Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory assembly, it won't impact your position in the queue.
>
> Hold on a second there, are pre-orders for K4 kits being accepted? If so I've got a check to write...
>
> --
> Phil
> w1jv
>
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Eric/Wayne,
> >
> > Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for when they *are* announced.
> >
> > 73 de,
> >
> > Ian, NV4C
> > K3 #281 P3 #681
> >
> > On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
> >> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
> >>
> >> K4-F - $4,099.95
> >> K4D-F - $4,999.95
> >> K4HD - TBD
> >> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
> >>
> >> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
> >>
> >> Lou, W0FK
> >>
> >>
> >>
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AI4NS

Re: K4 Pricing Posted

Save for the factory price and have money for accessories

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 18:48 Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> If they weren't before, then they aren't now, either...yet. Sorry for any
> potential confusion.
>
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 2020, at 4:44 PM, Phil Genera <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 3:52 PM Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Ian,
>
> >
>
> > Due to the pandemic and fires the kit version will be delayed longer
> than we'd hoped. The kit requires additional documentation and
> manufacturing/shipping procedures, and unfortunately the personnel involved
> (including me) have been preoccupied.
>
> >
>
> > Sorry I can't put a date on it. If you choose to convert to factory
> assembly, it won't impact your position in the queue.
>
> >
>
> > Hold on a second there, are pre-orders for K4 kits being accepted? If so
> I've got a check to write...
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > Phil
>
> > w1jv
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > 73,
>
> > Wayne
>
> > N6KR
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Ian Kahn, NV4C <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Eric/Wayne,
>
> > >
>
> > > Now that final prices on the K4-line are posted, for factory-built
> models, can you provide a ballpark on what the price difference will be for
> the kit versions? I realize we're still probably several months out from
> the kits being ready, but it would be nice to know how to start saving for
> when they *are* announced.
>
> > >
>
> > > 73 de,
>
> > >
>
> > > Ian, NV4C
>
> > > K3 #281 P3 #681
>
> > >
>
> > > On 9/30/20 11:18 PM, Lou W0FK wrote:
>
> > >> For orders placed prior to 12/31/2020
>
> > >>
>
> > >> K4-F - $4,099.95
>
> > >> K4D-F - $4,999.95
>
> > >> K4HD - TBD
>
> > >> K4/10-F - $3,599.95
>
> > >>
>
> > >> https://elecraft.com/products/k4-transceiver
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Lou, W0FK
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> > >> --
>
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Gary J Ferdinand

Re: K4 Pricing Posted

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Well, let’s think about this one a bit. I for one was not disappointed with the pricing; I think they did a super job.

I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700. The new price adds $300. I’m ok with that due to the extreme circumstances involved with getting parts, etc. But there’s another way to look at it.

To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the K4D, you would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least one CW or narrow SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the antenna connections, a P3, a P3 SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option, a digital voice recorder. And, I’ve probably forgotten a few, such as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that implies.

Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal. For example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).

Throw in performance and it’s even better.

Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get. Fun is the name of the game.

73,

Gary W2CS

> On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic????
>
> I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.
>
> 73,
> Dave N8AG
>
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w4sc-2

Re: K4 Pricing Posted

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Gary,
To top that off…. It is ALL in one box!
De Ben W4SC

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Alan Bloom

Re: K4 Pricing Posted

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Plus the K4 has a large, full-color, touchscreen display, Ethernet LAN,
several USB ports, flexible antenna switching, etc. And it's all
integrated in one box.

Alan N1AL

On 10/4/2020 9:31 AM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote:

> Well, let’s think about this one a bit. I for one was not disappointed with the pricing; I think they did a super job.
>
> I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700. The new price adds $300. I’m ok with that due to the extreme circumstances involved with getting parts, etc. But there’s another way to look at it.
>
> To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the K4D, you would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least one CW or narrow SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the antenna connections, a P3, a P3 SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option, a digital voice recorder. And, I’ve probably forgotten a few, such as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that implies.
>
> Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal. For example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).
>
> Throw in performance and it’s even better.
>
> Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get. Fun is the name of the game.
>
> 73,
>
> Gary W2CS
>
>
>
>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base K4 would be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go to the K4D. As it turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices do not include the ATU ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for the K4D that I was thinking of purchasing would have been almost $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price range. It will be interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I had my $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one will really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic????
>>
>> I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio. I will continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is dropping like crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a surprisingly low price.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave N8AG
>>
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>>
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Tom Azlin W7SUA-2

Re: K4 Pricing Posted

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I agree Gary,

I think the price corrected for inflation and performance has actually
dropped compared to my fully loaded, dual loaded K3 nearly 10 years ago
( and sold keeping my single receiver K3 which I upgraded as far as
possible.) So I was comfortable with the price.

I'm in the group 2 bunch.

73, tom w7sua

On 10/4/2020 8:31 AM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote:

Clay Autery-2

Re: K4 Pricing Posted

Absolutely!

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On 10/04/20 12:41, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:

> I agree Gary,
>
> I think the price corrected for inflation and performance has actually
> dropped compared to my fully loaded, dual loaded K3 nearly 10 years
> ago ( and sold keeping my single receiver K3 which I upgraded as far
> as possible.) So I was comfortable with the price.
>
> I'm in the group 2 bunch.
>
> 73, tom w7sua
>
>
>
> On 10/4/2020 8:31 AM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote:
>> Well, let’s think about this one a bit. I for one was not
>> disappointed with the pricing; I think they did a super job.
>>
>> I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700. The new price adds
>> $300. I’m ok with that due to the extreme circumstances involved
>> with getting parts, etc. But there’s another way to look at it.
>>
>> To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the
>> K4D, you would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least
>> one CW or narrow SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the
>> antenna connections, a P3, a P3 SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option,
>> a digital voice recorder. And, I’ve probably forgotten a few, such
>> as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that implies.
>>
>> Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal.
>> For example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).
>>
>> Throw in performance and it’s even better.
>>
>> Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get. Fun is the name of the
>> game.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Gary W2CS
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base
>>> K4 would be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go
>>> to the K4D. As it turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices
>>> do not include the ATU ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for
>>> the K4D that I was thinking of purchasing would have been almost
>>> $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price range. It will be
>>> interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I had my
>>> $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one
>>> will really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the
>>> FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU
>>> and a Mic????
>>>
>>> I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio.
>>> I will continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is
>>> dropping like crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a
>>> surprisingly low price.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dave N8AG
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Re: K4 Pricing Posted

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Absolutely!

My INITIAL order for K3s w/ P3, etc. was: *$4387.87 in 2016*.
Add in *$570 for more filters* over the years (AM, FM, and HF)
THEN in Dec 2019, I did a final "fill it up" order because I saw the EOL
coming on things: *$2435.48 fo*r
*SubRX**
**    Gen Coverage and filters for SubRX**
**    2 Meter module and REFLOCk board**
**     Pair of Speakers*
------------------------------------------------------------
All-in, not counting maintenance costs or anything else:

*$7303.35 for a fully outfitted K3s/P3 with dual Receivers and Gen
Coverage thru HF to 2 meters.*

The K4 looks a LOT more reasonable than one might think from my perspective.

73,

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On 10/04/20 12:41, Tom Azlin W7SUA wrote:

> I agree Gary,
>
> I think the price corrected for inflation and performance has actually
> dropped compared to my fully loaded, dual loaded K3 nearly 10 years
> ago ( and sold keeping my single receiver K3 which I upgraded as far
> as possible.) So I was comfortable with the price.
>
> I'm in the group 2 bunch.
>
> 73, tom w7sua
>
>
>
> On 10/4/2020 8:31 AM, Gary J Ferdinand wrote:
>> Well, let’s think about this one a bit. I for one was not
>> disappointed with the pricing; I think they did a super job.
>>
>> I have a K4D on first-group order for $4700. The new price adds
>> $300. I’m ok with that due to the extreme circumstances involved
>> with getting parts, etc. But there’s another way to look at it.
>>
>> To get a rig from Elecraft pre-K4 such as the K3S, compared with the
>> K4D, you would have to add a K3S SUB RX, synthesizer board, at least
>> one CW or narrow SSB filter (or both), the I/O board for all the
>> antenna connections, a P3, a P3 SVGA option, a P3 TX monitor option,
>> a digital voice recorder. And, I’ve probably forgotten a few, such
>> as the K4’s ethernet connection and all that implies.
>>
>> Throw in the extras offered by the K4D and man this is a great deal.
>> For example the P3 cannot compare with the display on the K4(D).
>>
>> Throw in performance and it’s even better.
>>
>> Enjoy the hobby whatever you choose to get. Fun is the name of the game.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Gary W2CS
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2020, at 12:09 AM, Dave <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was disappointed to see the pricing for the K4. I thought the base
>>> K4 would be in or around $3500 to $3700 and perhaps $500 or so to go
>>> to the K4D. As it turns out, another $900 for the K4D. These prices
>>> do not include the ATU ($400) or even a hand-held Mic. The total for
>>> the K4D that I was thinking of purchasing would have been almost
>>> $5470. (+shipping ??) it’s out of my price range. It will be
>>> interesting to see what the K4HD goes for. I’m glad that I had my
>>> $1500 deposit refunded several months ago. I have to wonder if one
>>> will really be able to tell the difference between any K4 and the
>>> FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU
>>> and a Mic????
>>>
>>> I hope you folks enjoy the K4 as I’m sure it will be a great radio.
>>> I will continue to use my K3s as the price for that fine radio is
>>> dropping like crazy and has allowed me to pick up a second one for a
>>> surprisingly low price.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Dave N8AG
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Re: K4 Pricing Posted

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Another way of looking at this is through the lens of history and
inflation. In 1969 a set of Drake twins (R-4B, T-4XB, MS-4, AC-4) cost
$1149.85 (in the 1969 Lafayette Radio catalog). That translates to
$8136.60 in 2020. I daresay that the K4's features and performance are
just a tad bit better. ;-)

73,
Chris, W2PA

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Hi:

I fully concur, when you look at the prices we paid for the K3/K3S and
all those extras, the current price of the K4D seems like a good price
to me. Sure hoping that my K4D will arrive before Xmas. Only time will
tell, it will be almost a year since I purchased the K4D. Fingers are
getting itchy, so much that I went out and bought a couple of those
stylus pens just for the rig.

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Re: K4 Pricing Posted

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On 10/2/2020 9:09 PM, Dave wrote:
> FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a Mic????

You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios --
clicks and splatter have been the rule. Elecraft rigs have always been
very clean on CW, less so on SSB, but nothing like Yaesu on SSB.

73, Jim K9YC
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AND, ( stated as kindly as I can) You'll wear out the manual before the
radio.
I was a Yaesu fan-boy, putting up with the seemingly endless menu's all
through the various FT-1000 versions, then came the FT-2Kaput.
I'm cured now and am waiting to save a few buks on the K4Kit.
Guess I should probably sell my couple year old K3S package eh?

73, Charlie k3ICH

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On 10/2/2020 9:09 PM, Dave wrote:
> FTDX101D which can be purchased for under $3000 and includes the ATU and a
Mic????

You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios -- clicks
and splatter have been the rule. Elecraft rigs have always been very clean
on CW, less so on SSB, but nothing like Yaesu on SSB.

73, Jim K9YC
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K4 Pricing Posted

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"You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios --"

I'm not sure I see the connection between part 1 and part 2. I paid for a Kenwood TS-590S. Actually I have two of them. I don't think this radio ever sold for more than about $1,600 and to the best of my recollection it's not high on anyone's dirty transmitters list (assuming a Chinese TCXO was not fitted).

I have never felt I could have worked more DX with a "better" rig. Better antennas - sure, better rig - no. My flying sucks up all my money. None left for K4.

Andy, k3wyc
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On 10/6/2020 3:13 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> I paid for a Kenwood TS-590S. Actually I have two of them. I don't think this radio ever sold for more than about $1,600 and to the best of my recollection it's not high on anyone's dirty transmitters list (assuming a Chinese TCXO was not fitted).

You're right, Andy - I've heard from tops ops that own them that the
TS590s are very nice rigs, and ARRL Lab tests show them much cleaner
than ICOM and Yaesu. I've recommended it to several hams who can't
afford Elecraft. (Although used K3s are getting to be a real bargain!).

73, Jim K9YC
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K9YC said ... You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios -- clicks
and splatter have been the rule.

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There is too much parochialism in ham radio.

A couple of ops say this, failing to prove the claim, or substantiate it applies beyond a couple of isolated cases. While Mr. Sherwood knows ONE guy with a noisy FT3000, there are loads of them in service in my market, and nobody considers them poor neighbors. If they are all that bad, we would know it. Such unsubstantiated claims reminds me of a similar row on the TT reflector, where some guy in Germany claimed the TS-890 is a "noise machine" compared to the TT Eagle - and failed to document more than two or three alleged cases, and today recommends the TS-890 as a good rig to buy! K9YC published a paper purporting to document and quantify transmitter noise figures - which belies the claim and ultimately validates what the ARRL Lab told me - namely neither rig is a problem. And, yet, the claim persists.

So, great ... he we go again. More unsubstantiated nonsense. This sort of parochialism both off-topic and does a disservice. K8JHR

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Noisy radios

This is not nonsense in my experience, but I am an exclusively VHF operator where bad transmitters are immediately obvious. This statement ''nobody considers them poor neighbors' is incorrect. I do! They are bloody awful!

Rob Sherwood's attempts at focusing attention on poor TX composite noise and poor IMD is admirable. I hope that he continues to raise awareness on this issue.

On 6m those using the FTDX-5000 with QRO are quite difficult to deal with. Less so now everybody is on 50.313 and most locals are on the same sequence!

One FTDX-5000 user is on 2m and 70cms EME, he uses the FTDX-5000 as a driver for his transverters. Same problem, the poor PN is extremely evident. Again, the use of the same TX sequence helps and fortunately he does not participate in VHF contests.

The other radio that is quite offensive is the IC-7300 when used with a PA. When the power is turned down the composite noise gets much worse, especially on 6m. Some people are using them to drive transverters, same problem. It is obvious because there is a major noise bump at +300kHz!

I have measurements done with an FSWP Noise analyser to back this up. There are thousands of IC7300s in use and this is one very disappointing aspect of their performance. The user is unaffected, other band users must suffer. The IC9700 is fine unless used with a big PA then these are not good neighbours. I can see the appeal of these radios but Icom need to do better!

The FTDX-101 series is MUCH better than Yaesu's previous offerings, although I only know of 2 of them locally. They are good in fact.

If you like I CAN substantiate the claims with measurements.

The K3S has excellent low PN but use it on SSB and the IMD is unacceptable, I am VERY disappointed with my K3S TX IMD on 6m. Good job nobody uses SSB on 6m these days 😉 This is an extremely unpopular opinion on this forum and I really hope that the K4 is better!

It is extremely difficult to convince the owner of a shiny new radio that his signal is bad, it MUST be the receiver. Even though receivers are getting better and better.

73

Conrad PA5Y

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K9YC said ... You get what you pay for. Yaesu has been making very dirty radios -- clicks
and splatter have been the rule.

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There is too much parochialism in ham radio.

A couple of ops say this, failing to prove the claim, or substantiate it applies beyond a couple of isolated cases. While Mr. Sherwood knows ONE guy with a noisy FT3000, there are loads of them in service in my market, and nobody considers them poor neighbors. If they are all that bad, we would know it. Such unsubstantiated claims reminds me of a similar row on the TT reflector, where some guy in Germany claimed the TS-890 is a "noise machine" compared to the TT Eagle - and failed to document more than two or three alleged cases, and today recommends the TS-890 as a good rig to buy! K9YC published a paper purporting to document and quantify transmitter noise figures - which belies the claim and ultimately validates what the ARRL Lab told me - namely neither rig is a problem. And, yet, the claim persists.

So, great ... he we go again. More unsubstantiated nonsense. This sort of parochialism both off-topic and does a disservice. K8JHR

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