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Me too. After I determined some years ago that my then-new K3 was actually working, I gave my Yaesus away - both of them. I haven't missed them since. My backups are now a pair of K2s at one QTH and a KX3/KXPA at another.
I suspect many though not all of the capability changes - as opposed to the ergonomic changes - proposed in this thread could be implemented without changing the box. If there were one additional item on my list it would be having an internal keyer that would make external logging programs redundant. And the NR system . . . Apart from that, and apart from my own ergonomic preferences, I am willing to bet that whatever comes next isn't a bigger box but rather the other way around. I have heard the K3/S described more than once as an SDR with knobs. Maybe. But my bet would be , if there is a K4 or some such, it will be an SDR without knobs. Any takers? Ted, KN1CBR Message: 16 Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 11:51:50 -0700 From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed My experience is quite different. From the beginning (in 2008), I found the user interface very well thought out. Maybe that's because I started by RTFM.? Everything I need while operating is on the front panel. The menus are organized so that they are almost never needed during operation except to fix a setting that was wrong in the first place. I can't remember the last time I needed to go into menus for anything but setup with new outboard equipment. My K3s replaced a pair of FT1000MPs. Everything about the K3 performance and user interface is far superior. AND the change freed up a LOT of space on my operating desk! 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I was going to make the suggestion for a rig with out knobs.
All of my current equipment is rack mounted. I operate with software and a mouse. Keeps the desk uncluttered and the monitor below eye level. The K3 Remote could be used if one wanted knobs. Rich - N5ZC On 5/19/2018 5:36 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Me too. After I determined some years ago that my then-new K3 was actually working, I gave my Yaesus away - both of them. I haven't missed them since. My backups are now a pair of K2s at one QTH and a KX3/KXPA at another. > > I suspect many though not all of the capability changes - as opposed to the ergonomic changes - proposed in this thread could be implemented without changing the box. If there were one additional item on my list it would be having an internal keyer that would make external logging programs redundant. And the NR system . . . > > Apart from that, and apart from my own ergonomic preferences, I am willing to bet that whatever comes next isn't a bigger box but rather the other way around. I have heard the K3/S described more than once as an SDR with knobs. Maybe. But my bet would be , if there is a K4 or some such, it will be an SDR without knobs. Any takers? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 11:51:50 -0700 > From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 > Message-ID: > <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > My experience is quite different. From the beginning (in 2008), I found > the user interface very well thought out. Maybe that's because I started > by RTFM.? Everything I need while operating is on the front panel. The > menus are organized so that they are almost never needed during > operation except to fix a setting that was wrong in the first place. I > can't remember the last time I needed to go into menus for anything but > setup with new outboard equipment. > > My K3s replaced a pair of FT1000MPs. Everything about the K3 performance > and user interface is far superior. AND the change freed up a LOT of > space on my operating desk! > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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If you watch Rob's presentation here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owaaT6u4XkY&index=10&list=PLRSwUN4qr1LpU_cjWRYvszhDggoqlEQFF you could note the sales figures for the ICOM 7300, an SDR radio WITH knobs. Currently available radios without knobs are sold by Flex and Apache. But now Flex has the "M" series with knobs. Maybe that says something about what the market prefers. Personally, I want knobs. Wes N7WS On 5/19/2018 3:36 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Me too. After I determined some years ago that my then-new K3 was actually working, I gave my Yaesus away - both of them. I haven't missed them since. My backups are now a pair of K2s at one QTH and a KX3/KXPA at another. > > I suspect many though not all of the capability changes - as opposed to the ergonomic changes - proposed in this thread could be implemented without changing the box. If there were one additional item on my list it would be having an internal keyer that would make external logging programs redundant. And the NR system . . . > > Apart from that, and apart from my own ergonomic preferences, I am willing to bet that whatever comes next isn't a bigger box but rather the other way around. I have heard the K3/S described more than once as an SDR with knobs. Maybe. But my bet would be , if there is a K4 or some such, it will be an SDR without knobs. Any takers? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I know that many people love controlling everything from a PC, but that is for me a don't-want, as I don't want the extra box to start up, and using a mouse and keyboard is much less convenient than knobs. Of course, using contesting software does involve the PC, but even in that situation I want my knobs. Controlling the rig from a PC repulses me even more so lately, since Microsoft is forcing software updates on us ever more frequently. Very disruptive. I do understand that increased vulnerabilities demand it, but then the vulnerabilities are caused by Microsoft itself, always adding functionality without concern for security (except for Microsoft job security). Some will say that Linux is the answer but I have been there, and I would prefer a special version of Windows that removes a lot of bells and whistles and doesn't need frequent updates. Has anyone investigated which ham software products work or don't work with Windows set to protected mode?
On the subject of panadapter features, I can see some utility in using a mouse, as pushing the P3 knob does indeed tend to move the whole box. However, unless there is software based automatic fine tuning, I find that mouse clicking on a signal usually requires fine adjustment with the tuning knob. The advantage of the mouse then is the ability to make large jumps without a lot of knob spinning. That need is sharply reduced by using the RIT knob as a coarse tuning knob. Perhaps the K4 packaging should place most of the P3 electronics as an optional plug-in board inside the radio, and place a slightly bigger display in a separate, P3-size box. The P3 controls would be on the radio. The existing controls for the second rx could be kept for those who can stomach them, but a new button on the radio would switch the P3 display to show all aspects of second rx settings, and allow adjustment. Another press of the new button, or a number of actions such as moving the main tuning knob, would go back to normal P3 display. 73, Erik K7TV -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Richard Thorne Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 4:31 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? I was going to make the suggestion for a rig with out knobs. All of my current equipment is rack mounted. I operate with software and a mouse. Keeps the desk uncluttered and the monitor below eye level. The K3 Remote could be used if one wanted knobs. Rich - N5ZC On 5/19/2018 5:36 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Me too. After I determined some years ago that my then-new K3 was actually working, I gave my Yaesus away - both of them. I haven't missed them since. My backups are now a pair of K2s at one QTH and a KX3/KXPA at another. > > I suspect many though not all of the capability changes - as opposed to the ergonomic changes - proposed in this thread could be implemented without changing the box. If there were one additional item on my list it would be having an internal keyer that would make external logging programs redundant. And the NR system . . . > > Apart from that, and apart from my own ergonomic preferences, I am willing to bet that whatever comes next isn't a bigger box but rather the other way around. I have heard the K3/S described more than once as an SDR with knobs. Maybe. But my bet would be , if there is a K4 or some such, it will be an SDR without knobs. Any takers? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 11:51:50 -0700 > From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4 > Message-ID: > <[hidden email]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > My experience is quite different. From the beginning (in 2008), I found > the user interface very well thought out. Maybe that's because I started > by RTFM.? Everything I need while operating is on the front panel. The > menus are organized so that they are almost never needed during > operation except to fix a setting that was wrong in the first place. I > can't remember the last time I needed to go into menus for anything but > setup with new outboard equipment. > > My K3s replaced a pair of FT1000MPs. Everything about the K3 performance > and user interface is far superior. AND the change freed up a LOT of > space on my operating desk! > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > [hidden email] > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Folks, time to close this thread in the interest of limiting email overload for others.
73, Eric List Moderator and cheerleader.. (At Dayton recovering from another very busy day at the Elecraft booth :-) elecraft.com --- Sent from my iPhone 6S ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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In the process of listening to the receiver I would not want that overlaid with voice responses from a UI dialog. Also, a voice response immediately goes away, just like a number temporarlily shown in the B display. On a more personal note, I also find all artificial voice applications enormously irritating. I refuse to speak to my car to ask it to do something, and refuse to use Alexa or Siri etc in a voice mode.
73, Erik K7TV -----Original Message----- From: Gerry leary <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 5:33 PM To: Erik Basilier <[hidden email]> Cc: Richard Thorne <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? Make the displays audio readouts instead, then you wouldn’t need so much room, nor would it take up as much battery life if it were powered by battery! Sent from my iPhone this time On May 19, 2018, at 6:14 PM, Erik Basilier <[hidden email]> wrote: I know that many people love controlling everything from a PC, but that is for me a don't-want, as I don't want the extra box to start up, and using a mouse and keyboard is much less convenient than knobs. Of course, using contesting software does involve the PC, but even in that situation I want my knobs. Controlling the rig from a PC repulses me even more so lately, since Microsoft is forcing software updates on us ever more frequently. Very disruptive. I do understand that increased vulnerabilities demand it, but then the vulnerabilities are caused by Microsoft itself, always adding functionality without concern for security (except for Microsoft job security). Some will say that Linux is the answer but I have been there, and I would prefer a special version of Windows that removes a lot of bells and whistles and doesn't need frequent updates. Has anyone investigated which ham software products work or don't work with Windows set to protected mode? On the subject of panadapter features, I can see some utility in using a mouse, as pushing the P3 knob does indeed tend to move the whole box. However, unless there is software based automatic fine tuning, I find that mouse clicking on a signal usually requires fine adjustment with the tuning knob. The advantage of the mouse then is the ability to make large jumps without a lot of knob spinning. That need is sharply reduced by using the RIT knob as a coarse tuning knob. Perhaps the K4 packaging should place most of the P3 electronics as an optional plug-in board inside the radio, and place a slightly bigger display in a separate, P3-size box. The P3 controls would be on the radio. The existing controls for the second rx could be kept for those who can stomach them, but a new button on the radio would switch the P3 display to show all aspects of second rx settings, and allow adjustment. Another press of the new button, or a number of actions such as moving the main tuning knob, would go back to normal P3 display. 73, Erik K7TV -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Richard Thorne Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 4:31 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? I was going to make the suggestion for a rig with out knobs. All of my current equipment is rack mounted. I operate with software and a mouse. Keeps the desk uncluttered and the monitor below eye level. The K3 Remote could be used if one wanted knobs. Rich - N5ZC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Heh. … Jerry and I have ulterior motives for this suggestion, although we also understand that y’all light dependents won’t give up your distracting visual displays until they’re pried out of your cold dead fingers. :-) So I’d happily meet halfway and have spoken (or morse!) output in addition to rather than instead of. Like the morse readout on the KX3, except with all function readouts available. Or like the functionality of the Hampod (http://www.hampod.com/ <http://www.hampod.com/>) built in.
Vy 73, de KB5ELV > On May 20, 2018, at 12:32 AM, Erik Basilier <[hidden email]> wrote: > > In the process of listening to the receiver I would not want that overlaid with voice responses from a UI dialog. Also, a voice response immediately goes away, just like a number temporarlily shown in the B display. On a more personal note, I also find all artificial voice applications enormously irritating. I refuse to speak to my car to ask it to do something, and refuse to use Alexa or Siri etc in a voice mode. > 73, > Erik K7TV > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerry leary <[hidden email]> > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 5:33 PM > To: Erik Basilier <[hidden email]> > Cc: Richard Thorne <[hidden email]>; [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? > > Make the displays audio readouts instead, then you wouldn’t need so much room, nor would it take up as much battery life if it were powered by battery! > > Sent from my iPhone this time > > On May 19, 2018, at 6:14 PM, Erik Basilier <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I know that many people love controlling everything from a PC, but that is for me a don't-want, as I don't want the extra box to start up, and using a mouse and keyboard is much less convenient than knobs. Of course, using contesting software does involve the PC, but even in that situation I want my knobs. Controlling the rig from a PC repulses me even more so lately, since Microsoft is forcing software updates on us ever more frequently. Very disruptive. I do understand that increased vulnerabilities demand it, but then the vulnerabilities are caused by Microsoft itself, always adding functionality without concern for security (except for Microsoft job security). Some will say that Linux is the answer but I have been there, and I would prefer a special version of Windows that removes a lot of bells and whistles and doesn't need frequent updates. Has anyone investigated which ham software products work or don't work with Windows set to protected mode? > > On the subject of panadapter features, I can see some utility in using a mouse, as pushing the P3 knob does indeed tend to move the whole box. However, unless there is software based automatic fine tuning, I find that mouse clicking on a signal usually requires fine adjustment with the tuning knob. The advantage of the mouse then is the ability to make large jumps without a lot of knob spinning. That need is sharply reduced by using the RIT knob as a coarse tuning knob. > > Perhaps the K4 packaging should place most of the P3 electronics as an optional plug-in board inside the radio, and place a slightly bigger display in a separate, P3-size box. The P3 controls would be on the radio. The existing controls for the second rx could be kept for those who can stomach them, but a new button on the radio would switch the P3 display to show all aspects of second rx settings, and allow adjustment. Another press of the new button, or a number of actions such as moving the main tuning knob, would go back to normal P3 display. > > 73, > Erik K7TV > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Richard Thorne > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 4:31 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4? > > I was going to make the suggestion for a rig with out knobs. > > All of my current equipment is rack mounted. I operate with software and a mouse. Keeps the desk uncluttered and the monitor below eye level. The K3 Remote could be used if one wanted knobs. > > Rich - N5ZC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft wrote
> Folks, time to close this thread in the interest of limiting email > overload for others. > > 73, > Eric > List Moderator and cheerleader.. > > (At Dayton recovering from another very busy day at the Elecraft booth :-) > > elecraft.com > --- > Sent from my iPhone 6S > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft@.qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791@.nabble Nothing to add (..) Thanks Eric 73, Heinz HB9BCB -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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About time, thank you Eric, hi.
I contemplated adding to the whines and wishes but decided against it. I think the quote by an NFL player "for who, for what" crept in my head. But I guess while I have the space now to make one comment, no matter what is in any radio on my desk, the only thing I have ever needed isthe main tuning knob, the AF gain, sometimes the bandwidth. That is pretty much it in a nutshell. As long as I have everything else available I justnever really need or use it. I operate so2r with the K3 and an FT1000mp 99% in heavy contesting mode. I have all I want or need in both radios. BillK3WJV On Saturday, May 19, 2018, 9:30:50 PM EDT, Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: Folks, time to close this thread in the interest of limiting email overload for others. 73, Eric List Moderator and cheerleader.. (At Dayton recovering from another very busy day at the Elecraft booth :-) elecraft.com --- Sent from my iPhone 6S ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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