KAT3A & KIO3B Upgrade for my K3
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KAT3A & KIO3B Upgrade for my K3
 
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I had written up a nice couple of e-mails for the reflector asking about
upgrading my K3 with a KAT3A & KIO3B. But I went ahead and clicked check out. I'm really looking forward to cutting down a bit on the boxes and wires on my desk. I couldn't think of a more expensive way of doing that! I think my only regret will be that I'll still need my separate FSK interface, yeah yeah, AFSK, but if Elecraft didn't want us to use FSK, they wouldn't have put it in the radio. Thanks & 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: KAT3A & KIO3B Upgrade for my K3
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On 1/9/19 at 8:05 AM, [hidden email] (Joseph M. Durnal) wrote:
>I think my only regret will be that I'll still need my separate FSK >interface, yeah yeah, AFSK, but if Elecraft didn't want us to use FSK, they >wouldn't have put it in the radio. When I RTTY contest, I use a program that uses the CAT interface over USB to send and receive RTTY. That way I have no extra cables and am using the K3's RTTY encode/decode. I use RUMlogNG on a Mac. I don't know of any software for other platforms, but I assume it exists. 73 Bill AE6JV -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: KAT3A & KIO3B Upgrade for my K3
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Using the CAT interface this way is great. BUT you loose some decoding
ability. I run a K3 in RTTY contests, TX is FSK RX is 3 decoders, the K3 built in, mmtty and 2tone. usually 2tone beats the other 2, with mmtty sometimes winning. The K3 decoder misses the most. You might want to try the audio from the USB codec to the computer and use some software. I forget the good one for the Mac, but I sure some Mac user will know. Gordon - N1MGO On 1/9/2019 16:42 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > On 1/9/19 at 8:05 AM, [hidden email] (Joseph M. Durnal) wrote: > >> I think my only regret will be that I'll still need my separate FSK >> interface, yeah yeah, AFSK, but if Elecraft didn't want us to use >> FSK, they >> wouldn't have put it in the radio. > > When I RTTY contest, I use a program that uses the CAT interface over > USB to send and receive RTTY. That way I have no extra cables and am > using the K3's RTTY encode/decode. I use RUMlogNG on a Mac. I don't > know of any software for other platforms, but I assume it exists. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the > 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by > www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: KAT3A & KIO3B Upgrade for my K3
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A very good idea Gordon. I do that with cocoaModem, which allows
me to decode the second receiver as well, allowing Single Operator Two Receiver contesting. fldigi is also a possibility. I'm currently in the process of trying to find a place for a third monitor in my shack so I can have enough screen real estate to display all of all the windows. 73 Bill AE6JV On 1/9/19 at 3:47 PM, [hidden email] (Gordon LaPoint) wrote: >Using the CAT interface this way is great. BUT you loose some >decoding ability. I run a K3 in RTTY contests, TX is FSK RX >is 3 decoders, the K3 built in, mmtty and 2tone. usually >2tone beats the other 2, with mmtty sometimes winning. The K3 >decoder misses the most. You might want to try the audio from >the USB codec to the computer and use some software. I forget >the good one for the Mac, but I sure some Mac user will know. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz |"Insofar as the propositions of mathematics refer to 408-356-8506 | reality, they are not certain; and insofar they are www.pwpconsult.com | certain, they do not refer to reality.” -- Einstein ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I don't think there is a lot of software that supports sending the FSK with
CAT commands. Does anyone know of any others? J On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 4:42 PM Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 1/9/19 at 8:05 AM, [hidden email] (Joseph M. Durnal) wrote: > > >I think my only regret will be that I'll still need my separate FSK > >interface, yeah yeah, AFSK, but if Elecraft didn't want us to use FSK, > they > >wouldn't have put it in the radio. > > When I RTTY contest, I use a program that uses the CAT interface > over USB to send and receive RTTY. That way I have no extra > cables and am using the K3's RTTY encode/decode. I use RUMlogNG > on a Mac. I don't know of any software for other platforms, but > I assume it exists. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the > 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by > www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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None that I know of. FSK is not normally a CAT control nor is it done with “handshake” signals on standard serial port. It is passed on the TX line of a RS-232 serial connection to a discrete pin on a radio for FSK signaling. My K3 has such a pin on the Acc2 connector on the rear of the radio. My IC806MkIIg also hat an FSK pin on the 13 pin DIN connector. Other rigs are similar.
AFSK today is not what it used to be. Manufacturers have developed better TX and RX filters and I don’t really think you can tell the difference. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jan 10, 2019, at 9:37 AM, Joseph M. Durnal <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I don't think there is a lot of software that supports sending the FSK with > CAT commands. Does anyone know of any others? > > J > >> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 4:42 PM Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> On 1/9/19 at 8:05 AM, [hidden email] (Joseph M. Durnal) wrote: >>> >>> I think my only regret will be that I'll still need my separate FSK >>> interface, yeah yeah, AFSK, but if Elecraft didn't want us to use FSK, >> they >>> wouldn't have put it in the radio. >> >> When I RTTY contest, I use a program that uses the CAT interface >> over USB to send and receive RTTY. That way I have no extra >> cables and am using the K3's RTTY encode/decode. I use RUMlogNG >> on a Mac. I don't know of any software for other platforms, but >> I assume it exists. >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the >> 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by >> www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: KAT3A & KIO3B Upgrade for my K3
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I've attempted to configure MMTTY to run FSK with my K3S. Conclusion is that a Terminal unit will be required. Using AFSK is easy and I don't find any disadvantages. No additional hardware required.
Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2019, at 4:57 PM, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote: > > None that I know of. FSK is not normally a CAT control nor is it done with “handshake” signals on standard serial port. It is passed on the TX line of a RS-232 serial connection to a discrete pin on a radio for FSK signaling. My K3 has such a pin on the Acc2 connector on the rear of the radio. My IC806MkIIg also hat an FSK pin on the 13 pin DIN connector. Other rigs are similar. > > AFSK today is not what it used to be. Manufacturers have developed better TX and RX filters and I don’t really think you can tell the difference. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > >> On Jan 10, 2019, at 9:37 AM, Joseph M. Durnal <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> I don't think there is a lot of software that supports sending the FSK with >> CAT commands. Does anyone know of any others? >> >> J >> >>>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 4:42 PM Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 1/9/19 at 8:05 AM, [hidden email] (Joseph M. Durnal) wrote: >>>> >>>> I think my only regret will be that I'll still need my separate FSK >>>> interface, yeah yeah, AFSK, but if Elecraft didn't want us to use FSK, >>> they >>>> wouldn't have put it in the radio. >>> >>> When I RTTY contest, I use a program that uses the CAT interface >>> over USB to send and receive RTTY. That way I have no extra >>> cables and am using the K3's RTTY encode/decode. I use RUMlogNG >>> on a Mac. I don't know of any software for other platforms, but >>> I assume it exists. >>> >>> 73 Bill AE6JV >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the >>> 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by >>> www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to [hidden email] >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: KAT3A & KIO3B Upgrade for my K3
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There is no access to FSK-D using CAT commands other than those
supplying ASCII strings. FSK-D can transmit using paddle (not straight key) input, ASCII text, the FSK pin on the ACC connector (with a one transistor keying interface) or from the Terminal screen of K3 Utility. I do not know of any software applications that support other than keying the FSK pin (except for K3 Utility). If you can deal with soundcards, AFSK-A is usually a better choice for RTTY. Many software applications support it. If you want to use FSK-D, you will have to suffer with the extra cables, and with the advent of the KIO3B interface, it is more difficult to use the RTS or DTR RS-232 signals from the computer. You might be able to pick those signal off the RS-232 dongle that comes with the KIO3B, and run it through the One Transistor keying interface to activate the ACC connector pin, but if you have the P3 connected with the K3S and using the P3YCBL, getting access to that RS-232 signal becomes more difficult. A standard RS-232 "Y" cable may make it possible. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/10/2019 9:37 AM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: > I don't think there is a lot of software that supports sending the FSK with > CAT commands. Does anyone know of any others? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I bet the KEY macro in N1MM+ would work. Purely speculation on my part since I haven't tried it but it works fine for CW.
73, Brian, K0DTJ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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KAT3A and KIO3B installed! Had a scare as I couldn't remove the bottom
center screw on the right side panel, it started stripping. I had this issue on one of the front panel screws about a year ago when I was trying to replace my VFO B encoder. I was able to get the KAT3A installed without completely removing the right side panel. I should have spring for over night shipping, I was counting on the USPS to get it to me by Friday, but the package didn't arrive until today. Elecraft shipped it on Wednesday, but I guess since they aren't Amazon, the USPS doesn't bend over backward for them. The good news was while waiting for the K3 upgrades, I finally finished soldering the K1. That's been a 10 year odyssey, that I'll write about at a later date. I need to find the power cable I made up for it to finish testing and to get it on the air. That's what happens when you take over 10 years to build a kit. Back on the subject, ahh, it is nice to have a little less clutter on the desk. The KAT3A tunes my antenna on all bands, even 160, which was a shock! Not that I'll be doing much down there with my indoor attic antenna. I might buy one of the custom FSK interfaces, mine looks like something between a spider and a plate of spaghetti. Anyone in the market for an original K3 I/O board? 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 10:39 PM Brian Hunt <[hidden email]> wrote: > I bet the KEY macro in N1MM+ would work. Purely speculation on my part > since I haven't tried it but it works fine for CW. > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
Re: KAT3A & KIO3B Upgrade for my K3
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Joseph,
Get yourself a *new* #1 phillips screwdriver (if your screwdriver tip looks shiny, it is worn, throw it away). If you are trying to use a #2 (the most common phillips), then get a #1. You may be wise to replace the stripped screws. Consider the Stainless Steel screw kit from Elecraft - it may be less expensive than ordering the screws one by one. Congratulations on finishing the K1. 73, Don W3FPR On 1/14/2019 8:36 PM, Joseph M. Durnal wrote: > KAT3A and KIO3B installed! Had a scare as I couldn't remove the > bottom center screw on the right side panel, it started stripping. I > had this issue on one of the front panel screws about a year ago when > I was trying to replace my VFO B encoder. I was able to get the KAT3A > installed without completely removing the right side panel. > > I should have spring for over night shipping, I was counting on the > USPS to get it to me by Friday, but the package didn't arrive until > today. Elecraft shipped it on Wednesday, but I guess since they > aren't Amazon, the USPS doesn't bend over backward for them. > > The good news was while waiting for the K3 upgrades, I finally > finished soldering the K1. That's been a 10 year odyssey, that I'll > write about at a later date. I need to find the power cable I made up > for it to finish testing and to get it on the air. That's what > happens when you take over 10 years to build a kit. > > Back on the subject, ahh, it is nice to have a little less clutter on > the desk. The KAT3A tunes my antenna on all bands, even 160, which > was a shock! Not that I'll be doing much down there with my indoor > attic antenna. I might buy one of the custom FSK interfaces, mine > looks like something between a spider and a plate of spaghetti. > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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