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Gordon LaPoint

KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup? I run a remote
and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host mode
on boot of the computer. Right now I just log on remotely and start
each one as needed.

Thanks,

Gordon - N1MGO

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Lyn WØLEN

Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

If you're running Windows, yes I know how to do that. But keep in mind that the KPA Utility will not connect to the KPA500 unless the amp is first powered on.

To have the programs start on boot, just drag them into the Windows "Startup" folder (I am on Windows 7).

In Windows 10, search "Startup Apps."

73
Lyn, W0LEN

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Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup? I run a remote
and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host mode
on boot of the computer. Right now I just log on remotely and start
each one as needed.

Thanks,

Gordon - N1MGO

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Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

Are you referring to front or rear panel power? The K3 Utility can certainly power on a KPA500 if the rear panel switch is on. If that switch is off, it must be turned on before the front panel switch (or remote power-on) works. Now if you have a big relay in the power line to the KPA, it needs to be enabled as well.

Setting up remote stations is a skill. There are many ways to do it, and each need to be evaluated to get it done the way _you_ want.

By the way, to the original poster - if you are using a Mac, just add the two utilities to the user’s "Login Items” list in the User’s & Groups System Preferences pane. You just have to make sure that user is started up when the system powers up. There are other ways to do this, but by far that is the easiest.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Jun 9, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> If you're running Windows, yes I know how to do that. But keep in mind that the KPA Utility will not connect to the KPA500 unless the amp is first powered on.
>
> To have the programs start on boot, just drag them into the Windows "Startup" folder (I am on Windows 7).
>
> In Windows 10, search "Startup Apps."
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>] On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 1:45 PM
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>
> Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup? I run a remote
> and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host mode
> on boot of the computer. Right now I just log on remotely and start
> each one as needed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gordon - N1MGO
>
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ANDY DURBIN

KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

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"But keep in mind that the KPA Utility will not connect to the KPA500 unless the amp is first powered on"

That may be a bit misleading. Depends on what you mean by "powered on". I consider the KPA500 to have 4 states:

Not powered
Powered but off
STBY
OPER

The utility can be connected to KPA500 in the "powered but off " state and the KPA500 will accept a limited subset of serial commands. One of those commands, P, will turn it on. P can be sent with the Utility "command tester and will change the KPA500 state to STBY. At this point all the normal Utility functions work.

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ANDY DURBIN

Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

"P can be sent with the Utility "command tester"

or press "ON" on the utility "Operate" page.

BTW - My first reply overlapped with Jack's. In case of conflict believe him not me.

Andy, k3wyc

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Gordon LaPoint

Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

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Jack,
I'm the original poster. I may be misstating what I want to
accomplish.
At the remote station location I want the KPA500 Remote software to
start in host mode, with connection to the KPA500 hardware and the
KAT500 remote software to also start in host mode connected to the hardware.
Then I can start the software from my laptop and connect to the remote
and see the KAT500 and KPA500.
I can have the software start at the hardware site, but how do I get it
to automatically connect to the hardware so the HOST mode is working?

Remote site is where the hardware is located, KPA500, KAT500, Radio.
Control site is where I am running the station from.
I can use something like TeamViewer to log into the Control site and
click on the "Host" button on the running software, but that is what I
want to avoid.

I use RCForb for normal operation, but that only controls the radio and
the KPA500, it does not properly control the KAT500.
And when I'm doing a contest using WriteLog Remote I don't have RCForb
running so then I need the KPA500 remote to run the amp.

Gordon - N1MGO

On 6/9/2020 17:42 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:

> Are you referring to front or rear panel power? The K3 Utility can certainly power on a KPA500 if the rear panel switch is on. If that switch is off, it must be turned on before the front panel switch (or remote power-on) works. Now if you have a big relay in the power line to the KPA, it needs to be enabled as well.
>
> Setting up remote stations is a skill. There are many ways to do it, and each need to be evaluated to get it done the way _you_ want.
>
> By the way, to the original poster - if you are using a Mac, just add the two utilities to the user’s "Login Items” list in the User’s & Groups System Preferences pane. You just have to make sure that user is started up when the system powers up. There are other ways to do this, but by far that is the easiest.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> If you're running Windows, yes I know how to do that. But keep in mind that the KPA Utility will not connect to the KPA500 unless the amp is first powered on.
>>
>> To have the programs start on boot, just drag them into the Windows "Startup" folder (I am on Windows 7).
>>
>> In Windows 10, search "Startup Apps."
>>
>> 73
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>] On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 1:45 PM
>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>>
>> Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup? I run a remote
>> and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host mode
>> on boot of the computer. Right now I just log on remotely and start
>> each one as needed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gordon - N1MGO
>>
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Mike / W5JR

Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

Search for a recent email (a month or two ago) on this very topic from Warren/KD4Z. He’s written a Windows script that does this very thing, available at his github. Put it in your Windows Startup directory. Works great. Written for KAT500, KPA500 and KPA1500, up to two instances, for those remote SO2R stations. You edit the script with a few particulars of your station, all described within the script.

tnx
Mike / W5JR
Alpharetta GA

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 04:26, Gordon LaPoint <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Jack,
> I'm the original poster. I may be misstating what I want to accomplish.
> At the remote station location I want the KPA500 Remote software to start in host mode, with connection to the KPA500 hardware and the KAT500 remote software to also start in host mode connected to the hardware.
> Then I can start the software from my laptop and connect to the remote and see the KAT500 and KPA500.
> I can have the software start at the hardware site, but how do I get it to automatically connect to the hardware so the HOST mode is working?
>
> Remote site is where the hardware is located, KPA500, KAT500, Radio.
> Control site is where I am running the station from.
> I can use something like TeamViewer to log into the Control site and click on the "Host" button on the running software, but that is what I want to avoid.
>
> I use RCForb for normal operation, but that only controls the radio and the KPA500, it does not properly control the KAT500.
> And when I'm doing a contest using WriteLog Remote I don't have RCForb running so then I need the KPA500 remote to run the amp.
>
> Gordon - N1MGO
>
>> On 6/9/2020 17:42 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
>> Are you referring to front or rear panel power? The K3 Utility can certainly power on a KPA500 if the rear panel switch is on. If that switch is off, it must be turned on before the front panel switch (or remote power-on) works. Now if you have a big relay in the power line to the KPA, it needs to be enabled as well.
>>
>> Setting up remote stations is a skill. There are many ways to do it, and each need to be evaluated to get it done the way _you_ want.
>>
>> By the way, to the original poster - if you are using a Mac, just add the two utilities to the user’s "Login Items” list in the User’s & Groups System Preferences pane. You just have to make sure that user is started up when the system powers up. There are other ways to do this, but by far that is the easiest.
>>
>> 73!
>> Jack, W6FB
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you're running Windows, yes I know how to do that. But keep in mind that the KPA Utility will not connect to the KPA500 unless the amp is first powered on.
>>>
>>> To have the programs start on boot, just drag them into the Windows "Startup" folder (I am on Windows 7).
>>>
>>> In Windows 10, search "Startup Apps."
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>] On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 1:45 PM
>>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>>>
>>> Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup? I run a remote
>>> and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host mode
>>> on boot of the computer. Right now I just log on remotely and start
>>> each one as needed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gordon - N1MGO
>>>
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Gordon LaPoint

Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

Mike,
Thanks! The batch file that Warren put on github is just what I
was looking for!
Gordon - N1MGO
On 6/10/2020 9:41 AM, Mike - W5JR wrote:

> Search for a recent email (a month or two ago) on this very topic from Warren/KD4Z. He’s written a Windows script that does this very thing, available at his github. Put it in your Windows Startup directory. Works great. Written for KAT500, KPA500 and KPA1500, up to two instances, for those remote SO2R stations. You edit the script with a few particulars of your station, all described within the script.
>
>
> tnx
> Mike / W5JR
> Alpharetta GA
>
>
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 04:26, Gordon LaPoint <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Jack,
>> I'm the original poster. I may be misstating what I want to accomplish.
>> At the remote station location I want the KPA500 Remote software to start in host mode, with connection to the KPA500 hardware and the KAT500 remote software to also start in host mode connected to the hardware.
>> Then I can start the software from my laptop and connect to the remote and see the KAT500 and KPA500.
>> I can have the software start at the hardware site, but how do I get it to automatically connect to the hardware so the HOST mode is working?
>>
>> Remote site is where the hardware is located, KPA500, KAT500, Radio.
>> Control site is where I am running the station from.
>> I can use something like TeamViewer to log into the Control site and click on the "Host" button on the running software, but that is what I want to avoid.
>>
>> I use RCForb for normal operation, but that only controls the radio and the KPA500, it does not properly control the KAT500.
>> And when I'm doing a contest using WriteLog Remote I don't have RCForb running so then I need the KPA500 remote to run the amp.
>>
>> Gordon - N1MGO
>>
>>> On 6/9/2020 17:42 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
>>> Are you referring to front or rear panel power? The K3 Utility can certainly power on a KPA500 if the rear panel switch is on. If that switch is off, it must be turned on before the front panel switch (or remote power-on) works. Now if you have a big relay in the power line to the KPA, it needs to be enabled as well.
>>>
>>> Setting up remote stations is a skill. There are many ways to do it, and each need to be evaluated to get it done the way _you_ want.
>>>
>>> By the way, to the original poster - if you are using a Mac, just add the two utilities to the user’s "Login Items” list in the User’s & Groups System Preferences pane. You just have to make sure that user is started up when the system powers up. There are other ways to do this, but by far that is the easiest.
>>>
>>> 73!
>>> Jack, W6FB
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 9, 2020, at 1:42 PM, Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If you're running Windows, yes I know how to do that. But keep in mind that the KPA Utility will not connect to the KPA500 unless the amp is first powered on.
>>>>
>>>> To have the programs start on boot, just drag them into the Windows "Startup" folder (I am on Windows 7).
>>>>
>>>> In Windows 10, search "Startup Apps."
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>] On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 1:45 PM
>>>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>>>>
>>>> Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup? I run a remote
>>>> and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host mode
>>>> on boot of the computer. Right now I just log on remotely and start
>>>> each one as needed.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gordon - N1MGO
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Warren Merkel

Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

In reply to this post by Gordon LaPoint

I have made autostart really easy for the KPA500 Remote, KAT500 Remote,
and KPA1500 Remote applications at computer restart. I have the script
posted here:

https://github.com/KD4Z/Kstart-RemoteHost

See top of script for instructions.

Warren, KD4Z

On 6/9/2020 4:42 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 14:44:30 -0400
> From: Gordon LaPoint<[hidden email]>
> To:[hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
> Message-ID:<[hidden email]>
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>
> Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup?? I run a remote
> and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host mode
> on boot of the computer.? Right now I just log on remotely and start
> each one as needed.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gordon - N1MGO

Lyn WØLEN

Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

In reply to this post by Gordon LaPoint

I meant to follow up on this sooner, but … so here’s what I found with the KPA500 and KPA Utility Rev 1.13.7.16. First, the KPA500 rear power switch must, of course, remain in the ON position at all times.

Once the KPA500 has been powered on with the Front panel switch (and communications is set up properly between the computer and the KPA500), in order to have ON/OFF control from the utility app, the KPA500 must never be turned OFF from the front panel switch.

It’s OK to use the other front panel controls (including STANDBY/OPERATE), just not the ON/OFF power button.

73

Lyn, W0LEN

-----Original Message-----
From: Lyn Norstad [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 3:42 PM
To: 'Gordon LaPoint'; '[hidden email]'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

If you're running Windows, yes I know how to do that. But keep in mind that the KPA Utility will not connect to the KPA500 unless the amp is first powered on.

To have the programs start on boot, just drag them into the Windows "Startup" folder (I am on Windows 7).

In Windows 10, search "Startup Apps."

73

Lyn, W0LEN

-----Original Message-----

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint

Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 1:45 PM

To: [hidden email]

Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup? I run a remote

and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host mode

on boot of the computer. Right now I just log on remotely and start

each one as needed.

Thanks,

Gordon - N1MGO

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Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

Take another look. You should be able to power on/off the KPA500 using the front power button as well as through the KPA Utility. The Utility does a great job of detecting the KPA500’s current data rate whether it is on or off (the two rates may be different) and will communicate at the proper rate to power the amplifier on or off using the ON/OFF button in the Operate panel.

Turning the back panel switch to the OFF position will, of course, disable the ability to power on the amplifier using wither the KPA Utility or the front panel pushbutton.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I meant to follow up on this sooner, but … so here’s what I found with the KPA500 and KPA Utility Rev 1.13.7.16. First, the KPA500 rear power switch must, of course, remain in the ON position at all times.
>
>
>
> Once the KPA500 has been powered on with the Front panel switch (and communications is set up properly between the computer and the KPA500), in order to have ON/OFF control from the utility app, the KPA500 must never be turned OFF from the front panel switch.
>
>
>
> It’s OK to use the other front panel controls (including STANDBY/OPERATE), just not the ON/OFF power button.
>
>
>
> 73
>
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lyn Norstad [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 3:42 PM
> To: 'Gordon LaPoint'; '[hidden email]'
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>
>
>
> If you're running Windows, yes I know how to do that. But keep in mind that the KPA Utility will not connect to the KPA500 unless the amp is first powered on.
>
>
>
> To have the programs start on boot, just drag them into the Windows "Startup" folder (I am on Windows 7).
>
>
>
> In Windows 10, search "Startup Apps."
>
>
>
> 73
>
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 1:45 PM
>
> To: [hidden email]
>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>
>
>
> Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup? I run a remote
>
> and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host mode
>
> on boot of the computer. Right now I just log on remotely and start
>
> each one as needed.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gordon - N1MGO
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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Lyn WØLEN

Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

Nope. "Should be" is not how it works. I have discussed this with Support, and it would require constant polling ... which they cannot do.

Once you turn it OFF with the front panel switch, it needs to be turned on the same way. After that, yes the utility is fully functional.

73
Lyn, W0LEN

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Brindle [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:16 PM
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

Take another look. You should be able to power on/off the KPA500 using the front power button as well as through the KPA Utility. The Utility does a great job of detecting the KPA500’s current data rate whether it is on or off (the two rates may be different) and will communicate at the proper rate to power the amplifier on or off using the ON/OFF button in the Operate panel.

Turning the back panel switch to the OFF position will, of course, disable the ability to power on the amplifier using wither the KPA Utility or the front panel pushbutton.

73!
Jack, W6FB

Rick Bates, NK7I

Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

Lyn,

You can try restarting the utility; sometimes if you push the front
buttons (power on/off, standby), the app gets out of sync for the KPA500.

73,
Rick NK7I

On 6/23/2020 4:50 PM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

> Nope. "Should be" is not how it works. I have discussed this with Support, and it would require constant polling ... which they cannot do.
>
> Once you turn it OFF with the front panel switch, it needs to be turned on the same way. After that, yes the utility is fully functional.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Brindle [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:16 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>
> Take another look. You should be able to power on/off the KPA500 using the front power button as well as through the KPA Utility. The Utility does a great job of detecting the KPA500’s current data rate whether it is on or off (the two rates may be different) and will communicate at the proper rate to power the amplifier on or off using the ON/OFF button in the Operate panel.
>
> Turning the back panel switch to the OFF position will, of course, disable the ability to power on the amplifier using wither the KPA Utility or the front panel pushbutton.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I meant to follow up on this sooner, but … so here’s what I found with the KPA500 and KPA Utility Rev 1.13.7.16. First, the KPA500 rear power switch must, of course, remain in the ON position at all times.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once the KPA500 has been powered on with the Front panel switch (and communications is set up properly between the computer and the KPA500), in order to have ON/OFF control from the utility app, the KPA500 must never be turned OFF from the front panel switch.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s OK to use the other front panel controls (including STANDBY/OPERATE), just not the ON/OFF power button.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lyn Norstad [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 3:42 PM
>> To: 'Gordon LaPoint'; '[hidden email]'
>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're running Windows, yes I know how to do that. But keep in mind that the KPA Utility will not connect to the KPA500 unless the amp is first powered on.
>>
>>
>>
>> To have the programs start on boot, just drag them into the Windows "Startup" folder (I am on Windows 7).
>>
>>
>>
>> In Windows 10, search "Startup Apps."
>>
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 1:45 PM
>>
>> To: [hidden email]
>>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>>
>>
>>
>> Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup? I run a remote
>>
>> and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host mode
>>
>> on boot of the computer. Right now I just log on remotely and start
>>
>> each one as needed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gordon - N1MGO
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

In reply to this post by Lyn WØLEN

Let's see if we can determine why you are seeing this behavior. What platform are you using (Window, Mac, Linux), and exactly what is the scenario and conditions you are seeing? In other words, please provide more info. I believe K6KR has provided a bit of additional info. He wrote the KPA Utility for Windows, and knows the computer side of things.

I wrote the code for both the bootstrap loader and the main program in the KPA500. I tested all parts of the code operation for both bootstrap (which runs with front power off) and main firmware (runs with power ON) with both the Mac and Windows Utilities for each KPA500 firmware release as well as when the Utilities are released. In fact I tested it earlier today with both the original KPA500 and a newer one I bought a year ago. In all cases the KPA Utility was able to turn on and off the KPAs properly.

With adequate information, we should be able to get things working properly for you.

73,
Jack, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:50 PM, Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Nope. "Should be" is not how it works. I have discussed this with Support, and it would require constant polling ... which they cannot do.
>
> Once you turn it OFF with the front panel switch, it needs to be turned on the same way. After that, yes the utility is fully functional.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Brindle [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:16 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>
> Take another look. You should be able to power on/off the KPA500 using the front power button as well as through the KPA Utility. The Utility does a great job of detecting the KPA500’s current data rate whether it is on or off (the two rates may be different) and will communicate at the proper rate to power the amplifier on or off using the ON/OFF button in the Operate panel.
>
> Turning the back panel switch to the OFF position will, of course, disable the ability to power on the amplifier using wither the KPA Utility or the front panel pushbutton.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I meant to follow up on this sooner, but … so here’s what I found with the KPA500 and KPA Utility Rev 1.13.7.16. First, the KPA500 rear power switch must, of course, remain in the ON position at all times.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once the KPA500 has been powered on with the Front panel switch (and communications is set up properly between the computer and the KPA500), in order to have ON/OFF control from the utility app, the KPA500 must never be turned OFF from the front panel switch.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s OK to use the other front panel controls (including STANDBY/OPERATE), just not the ON/OFF power button.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lyn Norstad [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 3:42 PM
>> To: 'Gordon LaPoint'; '[hidden email]'
>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're running Windows, yes I know how to do that. But keep in mind that the KPA Utility will not connect to the KPA500 unless the amp is first powered on.
>>
>>
>>
>> To have the programs start on boot, just drag them into the Windows "Startup" folder (I am on Windows 7).
>>
>>
>>
>> In Windows 10, search "Startup Apps."
>>
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 1:45 PM
>>
>> To: [hidden email]
>>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>>
>>
>>
>> Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup? I run a remote
>>
>> and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host mode
>>
>> on boot of the computer. Right now I just log on remotely and start
>>
>> each one as needed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gordon - N1MGO
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
>>
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>> Message delivered to [hidden email]
>
>

N7US

Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

I use VA2FSQ's Win4K3Suite, and it can control a KPA500/KPA1500, including turning it on and off.

https://va2fsq.com/

Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> On Behalf Of Jack Brindle via Elecraft
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 21:13
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

Let's see if we can determine why you are seeing this behavior. What platform are you using (Window, Mac, Linux), and exactly what is the scenario and conditions you are seeing? In other words, please provide more info. I believe K6KR has provided a bit of additional info. He wrote the KPA Utility for Windows, and knows the computer side of things.

I wrote the code for both the bootstrap loader and the main program in the KPA500. I tested all parts of the code operation for both bootstrap (which runs with front power off) and main firmware (runs with power ON) with both the Mac and Windows Utilities for each KPA500 firmware release as well as when the Utilities are released. In fact I tested it earlier today with both the original KPA500 and a newer one I bought a year ago. In all cases the KPA Utility was able to turn on and off the KPAs properly.

With adequate information, we should be able to get things working properly for you.

73,
Jack, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:50 PM, Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Nope. "Should be" is not how it works. I have discussed this with Support, and it would require constant polling ... which they cannot do.
>
> Once you turn it OFF with the front panel switch, it needs to be turned on the same way. After that, yes the utility is fully functional.
>
> 73
> Lyn, W0LEN
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jack Brindle [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:16 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote
> software
>
> Take another look. You should be able to power on/off the KPA500 using the front power button as well as through the KPA Utility. The Utility does a great job of detecting the KPA500’s current data rate whether it is on or off (the two rates may be different) and will communicate at the proper rate to power the amplifier on or off using the ON/OFF button in the Operate panel.
>
> Turning the back panel switch to the OFF position will, of course, disable the ability to power on the amplifier using wither the KPA Utility or the front panel pushbutton.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I meant to follow up on this sooner, but … so here’s what I found with the KPA500 and KPA Utility Rev 1.13.7.16. First, the KPA500 rear power switch must, of course, remain in the ON position at all times.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once the KPA500 has been powered on with the Front panel switch (and communications is set up properly between the computer and the KPA500), in order to have ON/OFF control from the utility app, the KPA500 must never be turned OFF from the front panel switch.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s OK to use the other front panel controls (including STANDBY/OPERATE), just not the ON/OFF power button.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lyn Norstad [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 3:42 PM
>> To: 'Gordon LaPoint'; '[hidden email]'
>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote
>> software
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're running Windows, yes I know how to do that. But keep in mind that the KPA Utility will not connect to the KPA500 unless the amp is first powered on.
>>
>>
>>
>> To have the programs start on boot, just drag them into the Windows "Startup" folder (I am on Windows 7).
>>
>>
>>
>> In Windows 10, search "Startup Apps."
>>
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 1:45 PM
>>
>> To: [hidden email]
>>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>>
>>
>>
>> Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup? I run a
>> remote
>>
>> and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host
>> mode
>>
>> on boot of the computer. Right now I just log on remotely and start
>>
>> each one as needed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gordon - N1MGO

Elecraft mailing list

Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

In reply to this post by Elecraft mailing list

A bit more information about how things work in the KPA500. The boot loader runs on back-panel power-on or when the amplifier is powered off from the front panel (or by command). It runs in power-down state, sleeping the processor as much as possible. It looks for inputs from the front panel power button (which is in parallel with a pin on the AUX/IO port) and the serial port. The serial port has an abbreviated command set (described in the KPA500 Programmer’s Reference) - the memory segment for bootstrap loader is full, and there was not enough space to implement a full command set style protocol. The portion the boot loader is fixed at 38400 bps. Reception of a ‘P’ character causes the loader to check firmware memory, and if that check is positive it moves execution to the main firmware, where the amplifier is initialized and brought on-line. If the user has set a different data rate, it will be changed at this point.

Because the boot command structure is different from the main commands it is possible for the KPA Utility (or any control program) to get out of sync with the KPA if the user powers down (or up) the KPA from the front panel power button. The KPA Utility usually does a very good job of catching the situation and moving to the proper mode. There is a slight difference between the three versions - W4SMT has done a very good job of catching this in the Mac and Linux versions, to the point where missing the change is very rare (as far as I have seen). I will also say the the Window’s version is also rare at missing this, but apparently there are times when it may miss things as Dick has stated.

In any case, as I noted, we test this scenario extensively. It does usually work, as I noted previously. We just need to determine why Lyn is seeing it fail.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Let's see if we can determine why you are seeing this behavior. What platform are you using (Window, Mac, Linux), and exactly what is the scenario and conditions you are seeing? In other words, please provide more info. I believe K6KR has provided a bit of additional info. He wrote the KPA Utility for Windows, and knows the computer side of things.
>
> I wrote the code for both the bootstrap loader and the main program in the KPA500. I tested all parts of the code operation for both bootstrap (which runs with front power off) and main firmware (runs with power ON) with both the Mac and Windows Utilities for each KPA500 firmware release as well as when the Utilities are released. In fact I tested it earlier today with both the original KPA500 and a newer one I bought a year ago. In all cases the KPA Utility was able to turn on and off the KPAs properly.
>
> With adequate information, we should be able to get things working properly for you.
>
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
> Elecraft Engineering
>
>
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:50 PM, Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Nope. "Should be" is not how it works. I have discussed this with Support, and it would require constant polling ... which they cannot do.
>>
>> Once you turn it OFF with the front panel switch, it needs to be turned on the same way. After that, yes the utility is fully functional.
>>
>> 73
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jack Brindle [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:16 PM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>>
>> Take another look. You should be able to power on/off the KPA500 using the front power button as well as through the KPA Utility. The Utility does a great job of detecting the KPA500’s current data rate whether it is on or off (the two rates may be different) and will communicate at the proper rate to power the amplifier on or off using the ON/OFF button in the Operate panel.
>>
>> Turning the back panel switch to the OFF position will, of course, disable the ability to power on the amplifier using wither the KPA Utility or the front panel pushbutton.
>>
>> 73!
>> Jack, W6FB
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Lyn Norstad <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I meant to follow up on this sooner, but … so here’s what I found with the KPA500 and KPA Utility Rev 1.13.7.16. First, the KPA500 rear power switch must, of course, remain in the ON position at all times.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Once the KPA500 has been powered on with the Front panel switch (and communications is set up properly between the computer and the KPA500), in order to have ON/OFF control from the utility app, the KPA500 must never be turned OFF from the front panel switch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s OK to use the other front panel controls (including STANDBY/OPERATE), just not the ON/OFF power button.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lyn Norstad [mailto:[hidden email]]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 3:42 PM
>>> To: 'Gordon LaPoint'; '[hidden email]'
>>> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're running Windows, yes I know how to do that. But keep in mind that the KPA Utility will not connect to the KPA500 unless the amp is first powered on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To have the programs start on boot, just drag them into the Windows "Startup" folder (I am on Windows 7).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Windows 10, search "Startup Apps."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gordon LaPoint
>>>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 1:45 PM
>>>
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>>
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can these remote software's be in host mode on startup? I run a remote
>>>
>>> and would like to have them connect to the hardware and be in host mode
>>>
>>> on boot of the computer. Right now I just log on remotely and start
>>>
>>> each one as needed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gordon - N1MGO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
>>>
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>> Message delivered to [hidden email]
>>
>>
>
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Lyn WØLEN

Re: KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

OK - the computer is Windows 7 Pro 64. Sorry I didn't mention that earlier.

Running tests today, it is inconsistent. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. There is a sequence of events I can't quite discern that causes the failure. It is basically as I described, but sometimes not. How's that for clear as mud? There doesn't actually seem to be any scenario that is 100% predictable either way. Maybe powering down the computer overnight has some bearing. In any event, the rear power switch on the KPA is NEVER shut off.

If the KPA is shut down with the front button, and I try to turn it back on with the utility and it fails - and then I go to the Port tab and Test Communications, I generally get the "KPA waiting for power button or firmware load. RS-232 speed 38400 bit/s." message.

Then SOMETIMES after I click OK, and go back to the Operate tab, the KPA comes turns on by itself. But sometimes not and I have to click the ON in the utility.

Thanks Jack, and Dick for your help. This is obviously not a show-stopper, just a minor aggravation. It's a "would be nice" but not a "top of list" issue. It would be of more concern if it indicated an actual failure of something physical (my KPA has been in to service twice in its first year).

73
Lyn, W0LEN

-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Brindle [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 9:35 PM
To: [hidden email]
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Remote software and KPA500 remote software

A bit more information about how things work in the KPA500. The boot loader runs on back-panel power-on or when the amplifier is powered off from the front panel (or by command). It runs in power-down state, sleeping the processor as much as possible. It looks for inputs from the front panel power button (which is in parallel with a pin on the AUX/IO port) and the serial port. The serial port has an abbreviated command set (described in the KPA500 Programmer’s Reference) - the memory segment for bootstrap loader is full, and there was not enough space to implement a full command set style protocol. The portion the boot loader is fixed at 38400 bps. Reception of a ‘P’ character causes the loader to check firmware memory, and if that check is positive it moves execution to the main firmware, where the amplifier is initialized and brought on-line. If the user has set a different data rate, it will be changed at this point.

Because the boot command structure is different from the main commands it is possible for the KPA Utility (or any control program) to get out of sync with the KPA if the user powers down (or up) the KPA from the front panel power button. The KPA Utility usually does a very good job of catching the situation and moving to the proper mode. There is a slight difference between the three versions - W4SMT has done a very good job of catching this in the Mac and Linux versions, to the point where missing the change is very rare (as far as I have seen). I will also say the the Window’s version is also rare at missing this, but apparently there are times when it may miss things as Dick has stated.

In any case, as I noted, we test this scenario extensively. It does usually work, as I noted previously. We just need to determine why Lyn is seeing it fail.

73!
Jack, W6FB