Here's a posting from March on using the KDVR with N1MM.
I've used the macros in DXLab Commander successfully using the suggested syntax. Jim N7US -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Iain MacDonnell - N6ML Sent: March 07, 2010 21:09 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [N1MM] N1MM and K-3 Configuration for keying KDVR3 with F key strings I used CATA1ASC and CATA2ASC for a possible SO2R solution that I've never really tested fully. CATA1ASC should have the same effect as CAT1ASC in a SO1V-type scenario. Some notes at http://www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3 ~Iain / N6ML On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Steve London <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > The correct command is CAT1ASC, not CATA1ASC . > > 73, > Steve, N2IC > > > Jim McCook wrote: > > Last year N6ML came up with a great scheme for using 4 function keys on > the keyboard with N1MM to key the K-3's KDVR3 on SSB. I used it afterward > the CQWW SSB contest, and it worked flawlessly. Now, for some reason, it > won't work in this ARRL SSB DX contest. The entry in N1MM for those keys had > been memorized in N1MM for SSB: > > > > *F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;} > > > > *F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT31;} > > > > *F3 Thanks!,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT35;} > > > > *F4 {MYCALL},{CATA1ASC K31;SWT39;} > > > > > > I can't understand why they won't work now, when they did before. I can > punch the M1-M4 buttons on the K-3 and they work fine. I've tried all the > settings I can imagine in both N1MM and PTT-key in the K-3. > > > > If you are using this scheme, please tell me your magic combination of > settings in N1MM and K-3 Config PTT-KEY > > > > Jim > > W6YA > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
While on the subject of the KDVR3, I wonder if the next beta firmware
release will include a feature that automatically turns MON on at a predetermined level when a recording is being transmitted, and off again when transmission is finished? It has reputedly been "on the list" for a year or so. 73 to all Geoff G3UCK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Geoff,
I didn't know this was "on the list" but I sure reckon you got a great idea if it is not already on the list. I use MON at level 6 when using the DVR and I have been trying to get used to hearing my own voice in the headphones. I can do it this way but it sure would be a lot better if it was muted during TX. I will be watching closely for any response from Elecraft. 73's Gary On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Geoffrey Downs <[hidden email]> wrote: > While on the subject of the KDVR3, I wonder if the next beta firmware > release will include a feature that automatically turns MON on at a > predetermined level when a recording is being transmitted, and off again > when transmission is finished? It has reputedly been "on the list" for a > year or so. > > 73 to all > > Geoff > G3UCK > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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After reading this thread throughout the day, I was inspired to setup N1MM
to use the DVR in the K3. By following the simple steps outlined in the page link below by N6ML, it took only a few minutes to add the macros within N1MM and make the recordings in the K3. Works great! Can't wait to try it in a phone contest. Dave, N4QS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim McDonald" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:59 PM Subject: [Elecraft] KDVR > Here's a posting from March on using the KDVR with N1MM. > > I've used the macros in DXLab Commander successfully using the suggested > syntax. > > Jim N7US > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On > Behalf Of Iain MacDonnell - N6ML > Sent: March 07, 2010 21:09 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [N1MM] N1MM and K-3 Configuration for keying KDVR3 with F key > strings > > I used CATA1ASC and CATA2ASC for a possible SO2R solution that I've never > really tested fully. CATA1ASC should have the same effect as CAT1ASC in a > SO1V-type scenario. > > Some notes at http://www.dseven.org/ar/n1mm-kdvr3 > > ~Iain / N6ML > > > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Steve London <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >> >> The correct command is CAT1ASC, not CATA1ASC . >> >> 73, >> Steve, N2IC >> >> >> Jim McCook wrote: >> > Last year N6ML came up with a great scheme for using 4 function keys on >> the keyboard with N1MM to key the K-3's KDVR3 on SSB. I used it afterward > in >> the CQWW SSB contest, and it worked flawlessly. Now, for some reason, it >> won't work in this ARRL SSB DX contest. The entry in N1MM for those keys > had >> been memorized in N1MM for SSB: >> > >> > *F1 CQ,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT21;} >> > >> > *F2 Exch,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT31;} >> > >> > *F3 Thanks!,{CATA1ASC K31;SWT35;} >> > >> > *F4 {MYCALL},{CATA1ASC K31;SWT39;} >> > >> > >> > I can't understand why they won't work now, when they did before. I can >> punch the M1-M4 buttons on the K-3 and they work fine. I've tried all the >> settings I can imagine in both N1MM and PTT-key in the K-3. >> > >> > If you are using this scheme, please tell me your magic combination of >> settings in N1MM and K-3 Config PTT-KEY >> > >> > Jim >> > W6YA >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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While I can understand why one might think that it would be a benefit to
turn off the monitor and just have silence in your ears briefly, I think that once one spends too many weekends with headphones on for greater than half of the 48 hours of a contest over decades, you will begin to understand that having the SSB monitor on - all the time - is an important thing. If your ears need a break, pull the headphones off during a DVR transmission and really give your ears and head a break. It is important because it allows you to hear what you are saying clearly to maintain articulation and also enables you to maintain a level output of your voice - mainly so you don't start yelling into the mic and then suffer distortion and the resultant loss of your voice later on - yes, even when using the DVR. If you must, turn it down to a lower level, but don't turn it off - please! 73, Bob W5OV -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:28 PM To: Geoffrey Downs Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR Geoff, I didn't know this was "on the list" but I sure reckon you got a great idea if it is not already on the list. I use MON at level 6 when using the DVR and I have been trying to get used to hearing my own voice in the headphones. I can do it this way but it sure would be a lot better if it was muted during TX. I will be watching closely for any response from Elecraft. 73's Gary On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Geoffrey Downs <[hidden email]> wrote: > While on the subject of the KDVR3, I wonder if the next beta firmware > release will include a feature that automatically turns MON on at a > predetermined level when a recording is being transmitted, and off again > when transmission is finished? It has reputedly been "on the list" for a > year or so. > > 73 to all > > Geoff > G3UCK > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
It never ceases to amaze me when a suggestion comes up to "add" a
feature that has some practical use, we get a variety of opinions to the contrary and yet I think we all forget that nearly all added features come with the choice of on/off so that those of us wanting a feature added can use it and those that don't want it can turn it off and maintain the status quo. Hi, I for one have not been vocal against any improvement with the K3 when the suggested feature is of no use to me and so I would ask that we all support the ongoing feature enhancement of the K3 by supporting the adding of new features such as Monitor On/Mute for the DVR during playback. I have never caught myself yelling into a microphone because I couldn't hear myself speak and I have used the DVR on playback during a contest with the Monitor turned off. I would prefer to keep it on and muted on TX as MY preferred way of operating. I don't use external "boxes" either such as microHAM or any other type of interface and not all operators wish to use N1MM Logger or even HRD for that matter. I don't even want a PC connected to the K3 on most occasions and therefore I would not use a PC based DVR. Many K3 owners are casual operators most of the time so many of the "contest" features are of little use. This does not mean we don't want the features, just a choice as to when we use them and surely this is not too much to ask. I respect all opinions on the refelctor as we all have different ideas about operating and the K3 is by far the most versatile radio I have owned and I have seen it grow in versatility since I aquired mine over two years ago. If your listening Wayne, this is a good feature for many of us and we would welcome it becoming a reality as we are customers too. sincerely, Gary VK4FD On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Bob Naumann <[hidden email]> wrote: > While I can understand why one might think that it would be a benefit to > turn off the monitor and just have silence in your ears briefly, I think > that once one spends too many weekends with headphones on for greater than > half of the 48 hours of a contest over decades, you will begin to understand > that having the SSB monitor on - all the time - is an important thing. If > your ears need a break, pull the headphones off during a DVR transmission > and really give your ears and head a break. > > It is important because it allows you to hear what you are saying clearly to > maintain articulation and also enables you to maintain a level output of > your voice - mainly so you don't start yelling into the mic and then suffer > distortion and the resultant loss of your voice later on - yes, even when > using the DVR. > > If you must, turn it down to a lower level, but don't turn it off - please! > > 73, > > Bob W5OV > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:28 PM > To: Geoffrey Downs > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR > > Geoff, > > I didn't know this was "on the list" but I sure reckon you got a great > idea if it is not already on the list. > > I use MON at level 6 when using the DVR and I have been trying to get > used to hearing my own voice in the headphones. I can do it this way > but it sure would be a lot better if it was muted during TX. > > I will be watching closely for any response from Elecraft. > > 73's > Gary > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Geoffrey Downs > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> While on the subject of the KDVR3, I wonder if the next beta firmware >> release will include a feature that automatically turns MON on at a >> predetermined level when a recording is being transmitted, and off again >> when transmission is finished? It has reputedly been "on the list" for a >> year or so. >> >> 73 to all >> >> Geoff >> G3UCK >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > > -- > Gary > VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile > http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ > K3 #679 > For everything else there's Mastercard!!! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Gary,
I did not suggest that the feature should not be added to the K3 nor did I suggest that improvements not be made to the K3. Why do you claim that I did? My point is that in nearly 40 years of SSB contesting, it has become apparent to me that those who use a monitor function to keep track of what they're doing vocally on their air - whether by automated sending or with their own voice A: sound better, and B: maintain coherence better. 73, Bob W5OV -----Original Message----- From: Gary Gregory [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 6:03 AM To: Bob Naumann Cc: Geoffrey Downs; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR It never ceases to amaze me when a suggestion comes up to "add" a feature that has some practical use, we get a variety of opinions to the contrary and yet I think we all forget that nearly all added features come with the choice of on/off so that those of us wanting a feature added can use it and those that don't want it can turn it off and maintain the status quo. Hi, I for one have not been vocal against any improvement with the K3 when the suggested feature is of no use to me and so I would ask that we all support the ongoing feature enhancement of the K3 by supporting the adding of new features such as Monitor On/Mute for the DVR during playback. I have never caught myself yelling into a microphone because I couldn't hear myself speak and I have used the DVR on playback during a contest with the Monitor turned off. I would prefer to keep it on and muted on TX as MY preferred way of operating. I don't use external "boxes" either such as microHAM or any other type of interface and not all operators wish to use N1MM Logger or even HRD for that matter. I don't even want a PC connected to the K3 on most occasions and therefore I would not use a PC based DVR. Many K3 owners are casual operators most of the time so many of the "contest" features are of little use. This does not mean we don't want the features, just a choice as to when we use them and surely this is not too much to ask. I respect all opinions on the refelctor as we all have different ideas about operating and the K3 is by far the most versatile radio I have owned and I have seen it grow in versatility since I aquired mine over two years ago. If your listening Wayne, this is a good feature for many of us and we would welcome it becoming a reality as we are customers too. sincerely, Gary VK4FD On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Bob Naumann <[hidden email]> wrote: > While I can understand why one might think that it would be a benefit to > turn off the monitor and just have silence in your ears briefly, I think > that once one spends too many weekends with headphones on for greater than > half of the 48 hours of a contest over decades, you will begin to understand > that having the SSB monitor on - all the time - is an important thing. If > your ears need a break, pull the headphones off during a DVR transmission > and really give your ears and head a break. > > It is important because it allows you to hear what you are saying clearly to > maintain articulation and also enables you to maintain a level output of > your voice - mainly so you don't start yelling into the mic and then suffer > distortion and the resultant loss of your voice later on - yes, even when > using the DVR. > > If you must, turn it down to a lower level, but don't turn it off - please! > > 73, > > Bob W5OV > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:28 PM > To: Geoffrey Downs > Cc: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR > > Geoff, > > I didn't know this was "on the list" but I sure reckon you got a great > idea if it is not already on the list. > > I use MON at level 6 when using the DVR and I have been trying to get > used to hearing my own voice in the headphones. I can do it this way > but it sure would be a lot better if it was muted during TX. > > I will be watching closely for any response from Elecraft. > > 73's > Gary > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Geoffrey Downs > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> While on the subject of the KDVR3, I wonder if the next beta firmware >> release will include a feature that automatically turns MON on at a >> predetermined level when a recording is being transmitted, and off again >> when transmission is finished? It has reputedly been "on the list" for a >> year or so. >> >> 73 to all >> >> Geoff >> G3UCK >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > > -- > Gary > VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile > http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ > K3 #679 > For everything else there's Mastercard!!! > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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I like to have the monitor on very low during its use as at times I have
found that: 1) The wrong button was pressed 2) With the OII on rare occasion a poor quality transmission was in progress which I could terminate and restart overcoming the problem. Problems can also occur with the K3. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bob Naumann Sent: 02 June 2010 11:41 To: 'Gary Gregory'; 'Geoffrey Downs' Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR While I can understand why one might think that it would be a benefit to turn off the monitor and just have silence in your ears briefly, I think that once one spends too many weekends with headphones on for greater than half of the 48 hours of a contest over decades, you will begin to understand that having the SSB monitor on - all the time - is an important thing. If your ears need a break, pull the headphones off during a DVR transmission and really give your ears and head a break. It is important because it allows you to hear what you are saying clearly to maintain articulation and also enables you to maintain a level output of your voice - mainly so you don't start yelling into the mic and then suffer distortion and the resultant loss of your voice later on - yes, even when using the DVR. If you must, turn it down to a lower level, but don't turn it off - please! 73, Bob W5OV -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary Gregory Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:28 PM To: Geoffrey Downs Cc: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR Geoff, I didn't know this was "on the list" but I sure reckon you got a great idea if it is not already on the list. I use MON at level 6 when using the DVR and I have been trying to get used to hearing my own voice in the headphones. I can do it this way but it sure would be a lot better if it was muted during TX. I will be watching closely for any response from Elecraft. 73's Gary On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Geoffrey Downs <[hidden email]> wrote: > While on the subject of the KDVR3, I wonder if the next beta firmware > release will include a feature that automatically turns MON on at a > predetermined level when a recording is being transmitted, and off again > when transmission is finished? It has reputedly been "on the list" for a > year or so. > > 73 to all > > Geoff > G3UCK > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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On 6/2/2010 4:02 AM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> It never ceases to amaze me when a suggestion comes up to "add" a > feature that has some practical use, we get a variety of opinions to > the contrary and yet I think we all forget that nearly all added > features come with the choice of on/off so that those of us wanting a > feature added can use it and those that don't want it can turn it off > and maintain the status quo. As a software developer myself, here are some reasons that I disagree: 1. Every feature requires code space, which is in short supply. 2. The menu interface is already complicated and adding more switches makes it worse. I've talked to new K3 users who are overwhelmed. 3. If a feature is implemented at all, it must be implemented cleanly, in a way which fits the general user-interface and operational philosophy of the device. It can't have hidden 'gotchas', etc. It isn't a good argument for doing something fundamentally inconsistent to say that "you can always turn it off". 4. Once a feature exists, it has to be supported. Some 'features' and implementations thereof can have a large impact on the volume of support calls. 5. Programmer time is very expensive and limited. Just because something has 'practical use' to the four operators out of 10,000 who want a particular feature does not mean that the two guys who have to make this work should spend their time on it, especially when there are things that 1,000 operators could use. These are just some of the reasons that "because it's possible" may not be a good reason to do something! -- Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
I think we all need to remember that features are approved and added by Elecraft,
not by users. However, I bet a lot of the features that we like in the K3 come from user suggestions or from similar sources (dialog on other forums?). I think that the freedom to suggest a new feature should be paramount on this forum. Of course, so should the freedom to vote "No" on a new idea. This is all information that be used by Wayne and Eric in choosing things that might be included someday. 73, phil, K7PEH P.S. A programmer for 45 years On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Vic K2VCO wrote: > On 6/2/2010 4:02 AM, Gary Gregory wrote: >> It never ceases to amaze me when a suggestion comes up to "add" a >> feature that has some practical use, we get a variety of opinions to >> the contrary and yet I think we all forget that nearly all added >> features come with the choice of on/off so that those of us wanting a >> feature added can use it and those that don't want it can turn it off >> and maintain the status quo. > > As a software developer myself, here are some reasons that I disagree: > > 1. Every feature requires code space, which is in short supply. > > 2. The menu interface is already complicated and adding more switches makes it worse. I've > talked to new K3 users who are overwhelmed. > > 3. If a feature is implemented at all, it must be implemented cleanly, in a way which fits > the general user-interface and operational philosophy of the device. It can't have hidden > 'gotchas', etc. It isn't a good argument for doing something fundamentally inconsistent to > say that "you can always turn it off". > > 4. Once a feature exists, it has to be supported. Some 'features' and implementations > thereof can have a large impact on the volume of support calls. > > 5. Programmer time is very expensive and limited. Just because something has 'practical > use' to the four operators out of 10,000 who want a particular feature does not mean that > the two guys who have to make this work should spend their time on it, especially when > there are things that 1,000 operators could use. > > These are just some of the reasons that "because it's possible" may not be a good reason > to do something! > -- > Vic, K2VCO > Fresno CA > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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73, Eric WA6HHQ ---- On 6/2/2010 8:09 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I think we all need to remember that features are approved and added by Elecraft, > not by users. However, I bet a lot of the features that we like in the K3 come from > user suggestions or from similar sources (dialog on other forums?). > > I think that the freedom to suggest a new feature should be paramount on this > forum. Of course, so should the freedom to vote "No" on a new idea. This is all > information that be used by Wayne and Eric in choosing things that might be > included someday. > > > 73, phil, K7PEH > P.S. A programmer for 45 years Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Aaaah Bob, I was not singling you out and I do apologise if you felt
that I was. My remarks were meant only as a "General Comment" and perhaps were not articulated well. Regardless, I understand that compromises need to be made regarding FW storage etc and so I leave that to the engineers at Elecraft. My preference with the Monitor function remain, whilst it works fine as it is, IF Elecraft feel that it is worth doing a change so that Monitor can be selected to be ON whilst TX from the DVR and OFF when in "Normal" TX, then I would use that setup rather than the current way it works. As many have previously stated, K3 users are now numbering well ove 4,000 world wide and the number is still rising rapidly so there will be more and more "wish list" items to surface in the future and again, this is not a bad thing. Wayne and Eric are listening and will always decide what is best for their products but debate is good and I certainly look forward to the future enhancements as they become available, some I will use, many perhaps I will not such as QRQ @ 75wpm...(Grin)...the mind is willing but I would need some serious surgery on the Grey Matter to decode it....(:-)) I hope the choice of Monitor ON/OFF on the DVR playback comes to pass..YMMV My 2c...keep the change! Gary On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: > Absolutely. We always are listening. :-) > > 73, Eric WA6HHQ > ---- > > On 6/2/2010 8:09 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I think we all need to remember that features are approved and added by Elecraft, >> not by users. However, I bet a lot of the features that we like in the K3 come from >> user suggestions or from similar sources (dialog on other forums?). >> >> I think that the freedom to suggest a new feature should be paramount on this >> forum. Of course, so should the freedom to vote "No" on a new idea. This is all >> information that be used by Wayne and Eric in choosing things that might be >> included someday. >> >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH >> P.S. A programmer for 45 years > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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> ... >Elecraft feel that it is worth doing a change so that >Monitor can be selected to be ON whilst TX from the DVR and OFF when >in "Normal" TX, then I would use that setup rather than the current >way it works. Good, I can't disagree with that ;-) 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK ------ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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