KDVR3, wintest and Microkeyer II
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KDVR3, wintest and Microkeyer II
 
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Has anyone married the three of these so that the KDVR3 is used for voice
memory rather than the MicroKeyer II. I prefer the KDVR3 to the MK II. It would be nice to be able to use the function keys to activate the KDVR3 while connected to MK II. I do not want to be connecting and disconnecting the MK II all the time I change from a CW to phone contest. This is one of those issues which microHAM does not address and I have yet to find the answer from Win Test. Too many different manufacturers are involved but maybe one of the people on this group has already solved this problem. Thanks to Tony for his e-mail regarding the N1MM. 73 Doug EI2CN I use the KDVR3 with N1MM. This allows me to use N1MM F-keys to select the 4 KDVR3 memories. I like this setup as I don't need to connect audio to the PC audio card. This way no issues with hum pickup and adjusting audio levels. And the audio coming from the K3 whether using the mike or KDVR3 sounds the same. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: KDVR3, wintest and Microkeyer II
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> It would be nice to be able to use the function keys to activate the > KDVR3 while connected to MK II. I do not want to be connecting and > disconnecting the MK II all the time I change from a CW to phone > contest. What function keys? microKEYER II does not in any way effect operation of the KDVR3. I can not understand why any user would limit himself to four "fixed" messages that can not accommodate dynamic content or be changed while transmitting as can the DVK in N1MM Logger. 73, ... Joe Subich, W4TV microHAM America, LLC. http://www.microHAM-USA.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM On 6/1/2010 7:35 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Has anyone married the three of these so that the KDVR3 is used for voice > memory rather than the MicroKeyer II. I prefer the KDVR3 to the MK II. > It would be nice to be able to use the function keys to activate the KDVR3 > while connected to MK II. I do not want to be connecting and disconnecting > the MK II all the time I change from a CW to phone contest. This is one of > those issues which microHAM does not address and I have yet to find the > answer from Win Test. Too many different manufacturers are involved but > maybe one of the people on this group has already solved this problem. > Thanks to Tony for his e-mail regarding the N1MM. > > 73 Doug EI2CN > > > > I use the KDVR3 with N1MM. This allows me to use N1MM F-keys to select the 4 > > KDVR3 memories. > > > > > > > > I like this setup as I don't need to connect audio to the PC audio card. > > This way no issues with hum pickup and adjusting audio levels. And the audio > coming from the K3 whether using the mike or KDVR3 sounds the same. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > 73, ... Joe Subich, W4TV microHAM America, LLC. http://www.microHAM-USA.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: KDVR3, wintest and Microkeyer II
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Doug:
Im curious... What are you connecting and disconnecting on your microKEYER II to switch from a CW to a Phone contest and why? Is this because you are using the KDVR3 and not the built in sound card to send the messages? I switch from a CW to a Phone contest simply by typing CW or USB (LSB) on the entry window of N1MMLogger. There is no plugging and unplugging needed of anything in the MKII. Of course, I use the MKII built in sound card to send and record messages. Ive used WinTest with my K3 at NQ4I in the last WPX SSB and didnt have to unplug or plug anything to switch from Phone to CW (I played with the rig on 160CW before the ssb contest. Nice antennas at NQ4I for 160 <grin>). I do not use the K3 DVK, however, I use the MKII to generate DVK, and it works perfectly, no issues, no distortion, no problems. Just make sure that the levels on the hardware pot are set correctly. Once set, they never vary from place to place and from N1MM at home vs. WinTest at NQ4I. I can also pre-record messages and recall them by operator on N1MMLogger, plus record on the fly with both N1MMLogger and WinTest, but I have never tried to recall DVK's using "OPON" on WinTest. It works just fine using Control-O (callsign) on N1MM. -lu w4lt- K3 # 3192 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:35:37 +0100 From: "Doug Turnbull" <[hidden email]> Subject: [Elecraft] KDVR3, wintest and Microkeyer II To: <[hidden email]> Message-ID: <764FE0684E0747ACB3D2C3A73C58B547@DOUG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone married the three of these so that the KDVR3 is used for voice memory rather than the MicroKeyer II. I prefer the KDVR3 to the MK II. It would be nice to be able to use the function keys to activate the KDVR3 while connected to MK II. I do not want to be connecting and disconnecting the MK II all the time I change from a CW to phone contest. This is one of those issues which microHAM does not address and I have yet to find the answer from Win Test. Too many different manufacturers are involved but maybe one of the people on this group has already solved this problem. Thanks to Tony for his e-mail regarding the N1MM. 73 Doug EI2CN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: KDVR3, wintest and Microkeyer II
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Lu, So far I have only used the MK II and K3 combination in CW contests. In the past I used the Orion II and its internal DVK rather than the DVK in the MKII. I find it easier to get my levels correct with the internal DVKs and I like the sound from them. I have now a second MK II on my K3 and had hoped to use the internal DVK of the K3 with the keyboard function keys but they are dedicated to the MK II in my present configuration of K3, MK II and Wintest. The internal DVK of the K3 is almost useless to me in a serious contest as the buttons are just too small for a quick stab. The Orion II has an external pod which allowed me to access its voice memories. I suppose that I will just have to use the MK II DVK and forgo my preferred option of using the K3's internal DVK. I did not express my problem very well the first time and hope a better job has been done this time. Of course I change from CW to phone contests merely by specifying a CW or phone contest to MK II. I have had both K3 and Orion II now for nearly eighteen months. I prefer the K3 in most regards but the TenTec remote pod is a God send for me in a contest. In fact the OII is miserable to use in a phone contest without the Pod as one can easily hit a user profile button and change the entire radio configuration. The K3 does not suffer this problem but the OII and remote Pod is easier to use in a phone contest. The K3 has a much larger message capacity for DVK than the OII so this is another plus for Elecraft. I am a convinced K3 fan and am just trying to find the best configuration for using it in contests. I suppose I will need to use the MK II voice memory which is set up but which does not sound as agreeable to me as the internal K3 DVK Maybe more experimentation with MK II levels will convince me otherwise. Thank you for your telling me of your experience. I see the problem better now. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Lu Romero Sent: 01 June 2010 19:09 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR3, wintest and Microkeyer II Doug: Im curious... What are you connecting and disconnecting on your microKEYER II to switch from a CW to a Phone contest and why? Is this because you are using the KDVR3 and not the built in sound card to send the messages? I switch from a CW to a Phone contest simply by typing CW or USB (LSB) on the entry window of N1MMLogger. There is no plugging and unplugging needed of anything in the MKII. Of course, I use the MKII built in sound card to send and record messages. Ive used WinTest with my K3 at NQ4I in the last WPX SSB and didnt have to unplug or plug anything to switch from Phone to CW (I played with the rig on 160CW before the ssb contest. Nice antennas at NQ4I for 160 <grin>). I do not use the K3 DVK, however, I use the MKII to generate DVK, and it works perfectly, no issues, no distortion, no problems. Just make sure that the levels on the hardware pot are set correctly. Once set, they never vary from place to place and from N1MM at home vs. WinTest at NQ4I. I can also pre-record messages and recall them by operator on N1MMLogger, plus record on the fly with both N1MMLogger and WinTest, but I have never tried to recall DVK's using "OPON" on WinTest. It works just fine using Control-O (callsign) on N1MM. -lu w4lt- K3 # 3192 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 12:35:37 +0100 From: "Doug Turnbull" <[hidden email]> Subject: [Elecraft] KDVR3, wintest and Microkeyer II To: <[hidden email]> Message-ID: <764FE0684E0747ACB3D2C3A73C58B547@DOUG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Has anyone married the three of these so that the KDVR3 is used for voice memory rather than the MicroKeyer II. I prefer the KDVR3 to the MK II. It would be nice to be able to use the function keys to activate the KDVR3 while connected to MK II. I do not want to be connecting and disconnecting the MK II all the time I change from a CW to phone contest. This is one of those issues which microHAM does not address and I have yet to find the answer from Win Test. Too many different manufacturers are involved but maybe one of the people on this group has already solved this problem. Thanks to Tony for his e-mail regarding the N1MM. 73 Doug EI2CN ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: KDVR3, wintest and Microkeyer II
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In reply to this post by Joe Subich, W4TV-4
Doug, > I have not made myself clear for which I apologize. In the case of > the MK II and WinTest I believe the voice keyer is not dynamic. > One programs or loads it prior to use and the messages are fixed. You are correct, the voice messages in Win-Test (either Win-Test's own soundcard or the microHAM DVK) are not dynamic. I don't know how I read "N1MM Logger" into your original message. In any case, the ability to use the K3DVR from Win-Test is a matter to discuss with the developers of Win-Test. That capability is supported in N1MM Logger and simply requires programming the appropriate function key to send the proper CAT command string instead of calling a specific set of wave files. The ability to embed CAT strings in function key macros is very useful for many radio control purposes in addition to using the K3DVR and would be an excellent addition to any logging program. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 6/1/2010 2:45 PM, Doug Turnbull wrote: > Joe, I have not made myself clear for which I apologize. In the case > of the MK II and WinTest I believe the voice keyer is not dynamic. > One programs or loads it prior to use and the messages are fixed. All > one needs to do is give a serial number if required and this can be > done by voice. The function keys are the keys of the KB used with > WinTest. Unfortunately for me I find the buttons on the K3 too > small a target for contest operation. If there were a remote pod > similar to that of the TT OII this would not be a problem - K3 has a > much better DVK than the OII when it comes to capacity. I am > probably "flummoxed" in my desire to use the function keys to control > the K3 DVK when also using MK II and WinTest. I will probably need > to use the MK II voice keyer which to me is not as good as the > internal DVK in the K3. > > For a contest I do not require more than four messages. > > Thank you Joe, if you have any idea how I can get around this > impasse I would be grateful. It was good of you to reply and I > suppose the problems are more clearly defined for me now. > > 73 Doug EI2CN > > -----Original Message----- From: Joe Subich, W4TV > [mailto:[hidden email]] Sent: 01 June 2010 15:42 To: Doug > Turnbull; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR3, wintest > and Microkeyer II > > > >> It would be nice to be able to use the function keys to activate >> the KDVR3 while connected to MK II. I do not want to be >> connecting and disconnecting the MK II all the time I change from >> a CW to phone contest. > > What function keys? microKEYER II does not in any way effect > operation of the KDVR3. > > I can not understand why any user would limit himself to four "fixed" > messages that can not accommodate dynamic content or be changed while > transmitting as can the DVK in N1MM Logger. > > 73, > > ... Joe Subich, W4TV microHAM America, LLC. > http://www.microHAM-USA.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM > > On 6/1/2010 7:35 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote: >> Has anyone married the three of these so that the KDVR3 is used >> for voice memory rather than the MicroKeyer II. I prefer the >> KDVR3 to the MK II. It would be nice to be able to use the function >> keys to activate the KDVR3 while connected to MK II. I do not >> want to be connecting and > disconnecting >> the MK II all the time I change from a CW to phone contest. This >> is one > of >> those issues which microHAM does not address and I have yet to >> find the answer from Win Test. Too many different manufacturers >> are involved but maybe one of the people on this group has already >> solved this problem. Thanks to Tony for his e-mail regarding the >> N1MM. >> >> 73 Doug EI2CN >> >> >> >> I use the KDVR3 with N1MM. This allows me to use N1MM F-keys to >> select the > 4 >> >> KDVR3 memories. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I like this setup as I don't need to connect audio to the PC audio >> card. >> >> This way no issues with hum pickup and adjusting audio levels. And >> the > audio >> coming from the K3 whether using the mike or KDVR3 sounds the >> same. >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >> mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: KDVR3, wintest and Microkeyer II
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In reply to this post by Doug Turnbull
I'm with Joe on this:
microKEYER has nothing to do with the K3DVR system! Personally, I don't own a K3DVR, I don't need one, I have a microKEYER and N1MM (even N3FJP ACLog has a built in DVK via the computer!) Part of this audio level gaga is that few take the time to set all the levels correctly in hardware AND software on the microKEYERs. There are level pots within both products to set the hardware level IN ADDITION to level adjust capability with the Windows software mixer panes in both Transmit and Receive. I know Joe covers this in his manuals quite well, but I always set the software levels at 50 % and adjust the hardware level pot (or pots, in the case of MKII) to get what I consider "normal" levels. You can then trim the levels using the software controls for the final settings. This may not be to Joe's standard, but it works for me, and I never get hiss or distortion. I've found in my experience, that most people don't touch the hardware pots and expect the software mixer controls to do the whole thing. Although the sound card in MKII is rather forgiving, setting the hardware level in the right ballpark first goes a long way in reducing noise, hiss and distortion problems. At NQ4I, Rick and I recently went through every rig, set the hardware pot, then adjusted the windows control panel on the MKI systems. We also standardized on the same exact sound card in every computer to make matters simple. This has vastly improved repeatability of settings at that station (Orion 1's, a couple of straggling Yaesu Mk5's, plus K3's from K4PK and me). We made sure that the audio levels and EQ are consistent across all positions. BTW, WinTest only has 4 DVK buttons (that I know of. there may be more somewhere) All of Rick's radios run the mic through the sound card, so we can record messages "on the fly" as we transmit them. (Shift-F(N) does it). I use a MKI with my Kenwood TS570 with a C-Media USB sound card, and no issues. On the K3, I have the MKII. AAMOF, I no longer record any DVK anywhere but through the microKEYER 2's mic input. My DVK audio on both rigs is indistinguishable from my live audio. I always use the same mic I use on air and do not do any processing when recording to disk. The only processing happens when the DVK is being transmitted on air, using the same path as live mic audio. I fail to understand why this is such a problem to people! The flexibility of recording and playing back through the computer means never having to run out of record media or have to program macro sequences on N1MM to fire the K3 DVK with some attendant issues (such as N1MM having no feedback from K3 about the message condition)! Its just so much easier, and convenient, to do it within the computer (in a contest, when there is a computer available), ESPECIALLY with the MKII's built in sound card. -lu-w4lt- Message: 26 Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 10:42:11 -0400 From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KDVR3, wintest and Microkeyer II To: Doug Turnbull <[hidden email]>, Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]> Message-ID: <[hidden email]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > It would be nice to be able to use the function keys to activate the > KDVR3 while connected to MK II. I do not want to be connecting and > disconnecting the MK II all the time I change from a CW to phone > contest. What function keys? microKEYER II does not in any way effect operation of the KDVR3. I can not understand why any user would limit himself to four "fixed" messages that can not accommodate dynamic content or be changed while transmitting as can the DVK in N1MM Logger. 73, ... Joe Subich, W4TV microHAM America, LLC. http://www.microHAM-USA.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/microHAM No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (6.1.0.25 - 6.14880). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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