KFL1-2-Band-Module for sale on eBay...

[Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS]

Hi,

I found the auction for KFL1 2-Bands module on eBay which ended for $45...
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Elecraft-K1-Transceiver-2-Band-Module-Only-20-amp-40M-/372184649724?nma=true&si=vAbaG%252FvidlpdaVrb24QBH%252F2719M%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
...no way to ship outside US condition by seller set so impossible to
bidding on that for me in EU.

Another seller from Italy offered the quite same 2-Bands module for over
$250 and this auction was ended w/o bids of course.
https://www.ebay.it/itm/Elecraft-module-KFL1-2-modulo-K1-80-17-meters-/152860914572

Is there someone who is understanding to the differences of the prices and
"CONUS only" requirements please?

Thanks for comments as I would like to understand it too.

BTW: Still looking for KAT1 and KFL1-2 or KFL1-4 built/un-built kits for my
sons K1...:)
73 - Petr, OK1RP



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[Don Wilhelm]

Petr,

I don't understand why some sellers insist on CONUS only.  I can
understand if they do not want to fill out the customs forms, but that
is not difficult.  The amount of insurance can be limited depending on
which country the item is being shipped to, and that can be a factor for
high value items.

Of course, many sellers do not seem to realize that shipping to Alaska,
Hawaii, and Puerto Rico is the same as shipping to the continental US
and so they specify "CONUS" when it is not necessary.

The other possibility is that they do not want to deal with payment from
all over the world, but PayPal makes that seemless in most cases.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/17/2018 11:54 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I found the auction for K1 2-Bands module on eBay which ended for $45...
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Elecraft-K1-Transceiver-2-Band-Module-Only-20-amp-40M-/372184649724?nma=true&si=vAbaG%252FvidlpdaVrb24QBH%252F2719M%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
> ...no way to ship outside US condition by seller set so impossible to
> bidding on that for me in EU.
>
> Another seller from Italy offered the quite same 2-Bands module for over
> $250 and this auction was ended w/o bids of course.
> https://www.ebay.it/itm/Elecraft-module-KFL1-2-modulo-K1-80-17-meters-/152860914572
>
> Is there someone who is understanding to the differences of the prices and
> "CONUS only" requirements please?
>
> Thanks for comments as I would like to understand it too.
>
> BTW: Still looking for KAT1 and KFL1-2 or KFL1-4 built/un-built kits for my
> sons K1...:)
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>
>
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[Alan - G4GNX]

Couldn't agree more, Don.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1-2-Band-Module for sale on eBay...

Petr,

I don't understand why some sellers insist on CONUS only.  I can
understand if they do not want to fill out the customs forms, but that
is not difficult.  The amount of insurance can be limited depending on
which country the item is being shipped to, and that can be a factor for
high value items.

Of course, many sellers do not seem to realize that shipping to Alaska,
Hawaii, and Puerto Rico is the same as shipping to the continental US
and so they specify "CONUS" when it is not necessary.

The other possibility is that they do not want to deal with payment from
all over the world, but PayPal makes that seemless in most cases.

73,
Don W3FPR

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[Edward R Cole]

Don,

This is one of my biggest gripes.  So many sellers (and not just
hams) that will not ship to AK/HI or outside the US (48-states).

I handle all international sales of preamps for (Pete-WA2ODO) since
most want to use PayPal for its ease of currency exchange.  I also
handle any US sales that want to use PayPal to purchase Pet's
preamps.  MY point is that I am doing custom's paperwork and the
differences in insurance for different countries a lot.  The form is
not difficult:  They want both address of sender and receiver,
description of package, weight, value of package, and shippers code
(a drop down menu) which for most will be the under $2500
category.  If you do the form at the PO they will help
you.  Insurance coverage differs by country so sipping expensive
items might not be attractive by international mail.  UPS/FedEx are
an alternative but an expensive one; typically 2x or more what
flat-rate priority mail will cost.

73, Ed - KL7UW
on the third moon orbiting Saturn (which you call Alaska)!  BTW
Alaska is on the NA continent (not an island floating off Catalina Is
as shown on some maps).

I don't understand why some sellers insist on CONUS only.  I can
understand if they do not want to fill out the customs forms, but that
is not difficult.  The amount of insurance can be limited depending on
which country the item is being shipped to, and that can be a factor for
high value items.

Of course, many sellers do not seem to realize that shipping to Alaska,
Hawaii, and Puerto Rico is the same as shipping to the continental US
and so they specify "CONUS" when it is not necessary.

The other possibility is that they do not want to deal with payment from
all over the world, but PayPal makes that seemless in most cases.

73,
Don W3FPR


73, Ed - KL7UW
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[Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT-2]

If I'm not mistaken, PayPal payments are revocable -- they can be reversed.

Recovering the item or getting your money is easier if you can do it
under the same legal system -- if you don't have to deal with
international law.

Most of us have no desire to commit fraud, so it isn't an issue.

That doesn't explain Alaska or Hawaii, especially if the buyer is
willing to cover shipping.

73 -- Lynn

> The other possibility is that they do not want to deal with payment from
> all over the world, but PayPal makes that seemless in most cases.
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[K2bew]

I occasionally sell on eBay and I have one simple reason for Conus only.
Packages sent out of the US cannot be insured, at least through USPS, so if
they are lost or damaged you have no recourse.
Maybe that’s not true of private shippers I don’t know.
As far as PayPal protection they almost always side the buyer, not the
seller. I don’t believe they offer any help if your package is lost or
seriously damaged, in fact it’s usually the  opposite, if a buyer gets
something damaged then you as the seller are forced to refund all the
money. So, if it is uninsured because you can’t get insurance if it’s
shipped out of the US, your out the item and have to pay the buyer back.
73,
Tom, k2bew
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[Don Wilhelm]

Tom,

You might want to change your designation from "CONUS" to "United States
addresses".
CONUS restricts it to the 'lower 48', and does not include Alaska,
Hawaii, and Puerto Rico.
Shipping to those states and US possessions is no different than
shipping to your next door neighbor - at least that is true for USPS
shipments.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/17/2018 9:09 PM, K2bew wrote:
> I occasionally sell on eBay and I have one simple reason for Conus only.
> Packages sent out of the US cannot be insured, at least through USPS, so if
> they are lost or damaged you have no recourse.
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[K9FD]

Your wrong,  priority mail packages have insurance,  the same flat rate
price to
Hawaii or any place in the USA.
Plus if you wish insurance you just ask for it and you pay, I pay it all
the time if
I want extra coverage.
Who in the world told you you cant insure a package in the USA ??
Hawaii and Alaska are USA,  not foreign.
I find many people have no clue that a flat rate priority box is the
same price for
any weight to any place in the US,  yea Hawaii and Alaska is the US.
Out of the US and CONUS are two different things.

> I occasionally sell on eBay and I have one simple reason for Conus only.
> Packages sent out of the US cannot be insured, at least through USPS, so if
> they are lost or damaged you have no recourse.
> Maybe that’s not true of private shippers I don’t know.
> As far as PayPal protection they almost always side the buyer, not the
> seller. I don’t believe they offer any help if your package is lost or
> seriously damaged, in fact it’s usually the  opposite, if a buyer gets
> something damaged then you as the seller are forced to refund all the
> money. So, if it is uninsured because you can’t get insurance if it’s
> shipped out of the US, your out the item and have to pay the buyer back.
> 73,
> Tom, k2bew

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[Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS]

FYI,

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/SCOUT-PACKAGE-for-sale-or-possible-trade-for-Elecraft-K2-td7637495.html

... an example of no way for "Last Frontier", "Hawai 5-0" or rest of the
world buyers?

Petr, OK1RP



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[K2bew]

Yes I do have to agree with that.
Thanks and 73,
Tom

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 10:36 PM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Tom,
>
> You might want to change your designation from "CONUS" to "United States
> addresses".
> CONUS restricts it to the 'lower 48', and does not include Alaska, Hawaii,
> and Puerto Rico.
> Shipping to those states and US possessions is no different than shipping
> to your next door neighbor - at least that is true for USPS shipments.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 1/17/2018 9:09 PM, K2bew wrote:
>
>> I occasionally sell on eBay and I have one simple reason for Conus only.
>> Packages sent out of the US cannot be insured, at least through USPS, so
>> if
>> they are lost or damaged you have no recourse.
>>
>

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[Edward R Cole]

Tom,
  Where did you get this idea?  I ship close to two dozen
international postal packages every year and they are all insurable,
though the max value does vary by destination country.  For most of
EU its up to $200 and included in the shipping fee (Not an optional
charge).  Some countries will give you the option to buy more
insurance for an extra charge just like its done for shipping within
the 50 states.  Of course if you are shipping to N. Korea or Iran or
other such country with little or no trade agreements with the USA,
then there may not be any insurance available.  You can always make
that decision on a case-by-case purchase offer.  Carte Blanc refusal
to sell outside the 48-states (what CONUS usually implies) really
limits your market.

BTW if you are shipping parcel post instead of priority mail you
should compare costs.  There is little saving by choosing parcel post.

If you are shipping big expensive items then UPS, etc. may be better.

BTW all my Elecraft purchases were sent via priority mail.  I have to
go to the PO to get them.  UPS/FedEx just drops the box at my front
door without alerting me so much higher risk of being stolen.

***I occasionally sell on eBay and I have one simple reason for Conus only.
Packages sent out of the US cannot be insured, at least through USPS, so if
they are lost or damaged you have no recourse.*** Tom, k2bew


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