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Richard Squire - HB9ANM

KPA500 Utility

The FW page for KPA Utility (Windows Version 1.4.5.4) May 4, 2011 reads:

"Download and run the file from the above link.
Use this utility to check for the latest releases of new features for your K3.
Requires either a RS-232 cable or KUSB Serial-USB Cable to download from your PC to the K3."

To the K3??? Or to the KPA500?
Is this a typo?

It's a bit early (still waiting for my KPA500 and it will have the initial FW anyway) but I'm curious!

73
Richard

Richard - HB9ANM

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: KPA500 Utility

Administrator

typo. I'll change it to KPA500.
73, Eric

On 5/13/2011 1:12 PM, Richard Squire - HB9ANM wrote:

> The FW page for KPA Utility (Windows Version 1.4.5.4) May 4, 2011 reads:
>
> "Download and run the file from the above link.
> Use this utility to check for the latest releases of new features for
> your K3.
> Requires either a RS-232 cable or KUSB Serial-USB Cable to download from
> your PC to the K3."
>
> To the K3??? Or to the KPA500?
> Is this a typo?
>
> It's a bit early (still waiting for my KPA500 and it will have the initial
> FW anyway) but I'm curious!
>
> 73
> Richard
>
> -----
> Richard - HB9ANM
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Rob May-2

Re: KPA500 Utility

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Surely we don't need 3 separate utilities for the K3, P3 and KPA500. I could accept a separate utility short term for the P3, but this is getting out of hand. Will there be yet another utility for the high power antenna tuner? My desktop is getting crowded with Elecraft utilities.

Rob
NV5E

----------------------------------------

> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:12:08 -0700
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Utility
>
> The FW page for KPA Utility (Windows Version 1.4.5.4) May 4, 2011 reads:
>
> "Download and run the file from the above link.
> Use this utility to check for the latest releases of new features for
> your K3.
> Requires either a RS-232 cable or KUSB Serial-USB Cable to download from
> your PC to the K3."
>
> To the K3??? Or to the KPA500?
> Is this a typo?
>
> It's a bit early (still waiting for my KPA500 and it will have the initial
> FW anyway) but I'm curious!
>
> 73
> Richard
>
> -----
> Richard - HB9ANM
> --
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ab2tc

Re: KPA500 Utility

Hi,

You forgot the one for the XG3, hihi. I am not sure that is necessarily bad with separate utilities for separate products. With an all-in-one utility it would constantly have to be updated as new products are added, and you run the risk of breaking things that would otherwise be mature. And an all-in-one utility would almost certainly be harder to use.

AB2TC - Knut

Rob May-2 wrote

Surely we don't need 3 separate utilities for the K3, P3 and KPA500. I could accept a separate utility short term for the P3, but this is getting out of hand. Will there be yet another utility for the high power antenna tuner? My desktop is getting crowded with Elecraft utilities.

Rob
NV5E

<snip>

Gary Gregory

Re: KPA500 Utility

AND..how many times would you use each utility?...II have all utilities in a
folder..Elecraft Utilities...seems to work fine.

73's
Gary

On 15 May 2011 02:30, ab2tc <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> You forgot the one for the XG3, hihi. I am not sure that is necessarily bad
> with separate utilities for separate products. With an all-in-one utility
> it
> would constantly have to be updated as new products are added, and you run
> the risk of breaking things that would otherwise be mature. And an
> all-in-one utility would almost certainly be harder to use.
>
> AB2TC - Knut
>
>
> Rob May-2 wrote:
> >
> > Surely we don't need 3 separate utilities for the K3, P3 and KPA500. I
> > could accept a separate utility short term for the P3, but this is
> getting
> > out of hand. Will there be yet another utility for the high power
> antenna
> > tuner? My desktop is getting crowded with Elecraft utilities.
> >
> > Rob
> > NV5E
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> >
>
>
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Gary Ferdinand

Re: KPA500 Utility

In reply to this post by Rob May-2

Gosh I hope this didn't keep you up all night :-) I suggest you put the
shortcuts to the utilities in a desktop folder if you're running out of
space.

I'm perfectly content with one utility per product, Elecraft. Keep the
products coming.

Gary W2CS

>Surely we don't need 3 separate utilities for the K3, P3 and KPA500. I
could
>accept a separate utility short term for the P3, but this is getting out of
>hand. Will there be yet another utility for the high power antenna tuner?
My
>desktop is getting crowded with Elecraft utilities.
>
>Rob
>NV5E

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Dick Dievendorff

Re: KPA500 Utility

In reply to this post by Rob May-2

Rob:

There are separate utilities for the K3, W2, P3, K144XV, KPA500 and XG3.
Yes, a couple more of them are on the radar.

We considered putting these all into one larger software offering, but I
couldn't think of a way to keep it simple and focused.

If I made one utility that could communicate with just one device at a time,
then users of the K3 and KPA500 who might want both utilities running
concurrently (say for the K3's terminal page and the KPA500 operate page)
would have to choose which tab they're viewing.

We'd also need quite an array of serial port choices to satisfy users who
have multiple serial ports connected to different devices.

If you're on the "save configuration" tab page, would it be the K3 or the
KPA500's configuration you're saving?

I fear that new users of just one Elecraft product (say just a P3) would be
find a uber-utility confusing. Confusing means "$upport calls".

The utilities progress at different times and in different ways. The KPA
Utility's "operate" page requires a very internal different technique than
anything in the K3 Utility. I'm making large changes right now to just the
KPA Utility to more smoothly handle the transitions between "not
communicating" to "back panel power switch on, front panel switch off" to
"front panel power on". Eventually these techniques will influence the
other utilities. But I can now make sweeping changes to one at a time
only.

Making changes to a single "uber utility" risks breaking unrelated functions
whenever I change anything. Testing is easier if they're separate: when I
release a version of the KPA Utility, I don't have to test K3-only
functionality like TxGain or RF Gain calibration. The test matrix for a
larger utility would be daunting and would make it impossible to release
anything in a hurry.

You can delete some or all of the Elecraft desktop icons if you find them
cluttering your desktop, they're not essential. Just right click the desktop
icon and choose "delete. The Utilities can be found on the Start Menu under
"Elecraft".

Or you might also want to create a single desktop folder, perhaps named
"Elecraft Cornucopia" and drag all the Elecraft Utility desktop icons into
that folder.

73 de Dick, K6KR

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rob May
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:37 PM
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Utility

Surely we don't need 3 separate utilities for the K3, P3 and KPA500. I
could accept a separate utility short term for the P3, but this is getting
out of hand. Will there be yet another utility for the high power antenna
tuner? My desktop is getting crowded with Elecraft utilities.

Rob
NV5E

----------------------------------------

> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:12:08 -0700
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Utility
>
> The FW page for KPA Utility (Windows Version 1.4.5.4) May 4, 2011 reads:
>
> "Download and run the file from the above link.
> Use this utility to check for the latest releases of new features for
> your K3.
> Requires either a RS-232 cable or KUSB Serial-USB Cable to download
> from your PC to the K3."
>
> To the K3??? Or to the KPA500?
> Is this a typo?
>
> It's a bit early (still waiting for my KPA500 and it will have the
> initial FW anyway) but I'm curious!
>
> 73
> Richard
>
> -----
> Richard - HB9ANM
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-Utility-tp6361039p6361039.
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Rob May-2

Re: KPA500 Utility

Dick,
Thanks for explaining the thinking in choosing to do separate utilities. My comment about cluttering up the desktop with Elecraft icons was tongue in cheek. Half the desktop is taken up with radio related programs! Sorry if I came off more serious that I really meant to be. Thanks for the great job you do.
Rob
NV5E

----------------------------------------

> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA500 Utility
> Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 07:32:14 -0700
>
> Rob:
>
> There are separate utilities for the K3, W2, P3, K144XV, KPA500 and XG3.
> Yes, a couple more of them are on the radar.
>
> We considered putting these all into one larger software offering, but I
> couldn't think of a way to keep it simple and focused.
>
> If I made one utility that could communicate with just one device at a time,
> then users of the K3 and KPA500 who might want both utilities running
> concurrently (say for the K3's terminal page and the KPA500 operate page)
> would have to choose which tab they're viewing.
>
> We'd also need quite an array of serial port choices to satisfy users who
> have multiple serial ports connected to different devices.
>
> If you're on the "save configuration" tab page, would it be the K3 or the
> KPA500's configuration you're saving?
>
> I fear that new users of just one Elecraft product (say just a P3) would be
> find a uber-utility confusing. Confusing means "$upport calls".
>
> The utilities progress at different times and in different ways. The KPA
> Utility's "operate" page requires a very internal different technique than
> anything in the K3 Utility. I'm making large changes right now to just the
> KPA Utility to more smoothly handle the transitions between "not
> communicating" to "back panel power switch on, front panel switch off" to
> "front panel power on". Eventually these techniques will influence the
> other utilities. But I can now make sweeping changes to one at a time
> only.
>
> Making changes to a single "uber utility" risks breaking unrelated functions
> whenever I change anything. Testing is easier if they're separate: when I
> release a version of the KPA Utility, I don't have to test K3-only
> functionality like TxGain or RF Gain calibration. The test matrix for a
> larger utility would be daunting and would make it impossible to release
> anything in a hurry.
>
> You can delete some or all of the Elecraft desktop icons if you find them
> cluttering your desktop, they're not essential. Just right click the desktop
> icon and choose "delete. The Utilities can be found on the Start Menu under
> "Elecraft".
>
> Or you might also want to create a single desktop folder, perhaps named
> "Elecraft Cornucopia" and drag all the Elecraft Utility desktop icons into
> that folder.
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rob May
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:37 PM
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Utility
>
>
> Surely we don't need 3 separate utilities for the K3, P3 and KPA500. I
> could accept a separate utility short term for the P3, but this is getting
> out of hand. Will there be yet another utility for the high power antenna
> tuner? My desktop is getting crowded with Elecraft utilities.
>
> Rob
> NV5E
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:12:08 -0700
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Utility
> >
> > The FW page for KPA Utility (Windows Version 1.4.5.4) May 4, 2011 reads:
> >
> > "Download and run the file from the above link.
> > Use this utility to check for the latest releases of new features for
> > your K3.
> > Requires either a RS-232 cable or KUSB Serial-USB Cable to download
> > from your PC to the K3."
> >
> > To the K3??? Or to the KPA500?
> > Is this a typo?
> >
> > It's a bit early (still waiting for my KPA500 and it will have the
> > initial FW anyway) but I'm curious!
> >
> > 73
> > Richard
> >
> > -----
> > Richard - HB9ANM
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-Utility-tp6361039p6361039.
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Dave Perry N4QS

Re: KPA500 Utility

In reply to this post by Dick Dievendorff

Dick,

I like your approach -- one utility per product. Keep it up!

Dave, N4QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Dievendorff" <[hidden email]>
To: "'Rob May'" <[hidden email]>; <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Utility

Rob:

There are separate utilities for the K3, W2, P3, K144XV, KPA500 and XG3.
Yes, a couple more of them are on the radar.

We considered putting these all into one larger software offering, but I
couldn't think of a way to keep it simple and focused.

If I made one utility that could communicate with just one device at a time,
then users of the K3 and KPA500 who might want both utilities running
concurrently (say for the K3's terminal page and the KPA500 operate page)
would have to choose which tab they're viewing.

We'd also need quite an array of serial port choices to satisfy users who
have multiple serial ports connected to different devices.

If you're on the "save configuration" tab page, would it be the K3 or the
KPA500's configuration you're saving?

I fear that new users of just one Elecraft product (say just a P3) would be
find a uber-utility confusing. Confusing means "$upport calls".

The utilities progress at different times and in different ways. The KPA
Utility's "operate" page requires a very internal different technique than
anything in the K3 Utility. I'm making large changes right now to just the
KPA Utility to more smoothly handle the transitions between "not
communicating" to "back panel power switch on, front panel switch off" to
"front panel power on". Eventually these techniques will influence the
other utilities. But I can now make sweeping changes to one at a time
only.

Making changes to a single "uber utility" risks breaking unrelated functions
whenever I change anything. Testing is easier if they're separate: when I
release a version of the KPA Utility, I don't have to test K3-only
functionality like TxGain or RF Gain calibration. The test matrix for a
larger utility would be daunting and would make it impossible to release
anything in a hurry.

You can delete some or all of the Elecraft desktop icons if you find them
cluttering your desktop, they're not essential. Just right click the desktop
icon and choose "delete. The Utilities can be found on the Start Menu under
"Elecraft".

Or you might also want to create a single desktop folder, perhaps named
"Elecraft Cornucopia" and drag all the Elecraft Utility desktop icons into
that folder.

73 de Dick, K6KR

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Rob May
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:37 PM
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 Utility

Surely we don't need 3 separate utilities for the K3, P3 and KPA500. I
could accept a separate utility short term for the P3, but this is getting
out of hand. Will there be yet another utility for the high power antenna
tuner? My desktop is getting crowded with Elecraft utilities.

Rob
NV5E

----------------------------------------

> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:12:08 -0700
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Utility
>
> The FW page for KPA Utility (Windows Version 1.4.5.4) May 4, 2011 reads:
>
> "Download and run the file from the above link.
> Use this utility to check for the latest releases of new features for
> your K3.
> Requires either a RS-232 cable or KUSB Serial-USB Cable to download
> from your PC to the K3."
>
> To the K3??? Or to the KPA500?
> Is this a typo?
>
> It's a bit early (still waiting for my KPA500 and it will have the
> initial FW anyway) but I'm curious!
>
> 73
> Richard
>
> -----
> Richard - HB9ANM
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-Utility-tp6361039p6361039.
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Dick Dievendorff

Re: KPA500 Utility

In reply to this post by Rob May-2

Not a problem at all. It's a reasonable observation, and I'm not sure the
reasons are well understood.

We wrangled with this issue the P3 Utility effort began. I wanted to put P3
Utility functions into the K3 Utility, particularly as they use the same
serial port and to some degree the K3/P3 combination works as one unit.

We also would need a standalone P3 Utility for P3 customers using other
transceivers. We deferred the combination at that time, we hadn't really
thought it through for other products and we had a full plate (although not
as full as it is now...)

The K144XV is an internal K3 accessory. But the K144XV's firmware is loaded
through a separate serial port connector (even a different cable style), not
through the K3. Explaining when to plug which cable into which device would
be a whole lot messier if the utilities were combined.

The perceived and real complexity, potential for customer confusion and
support workload, and test matrix issues then became the dominating issues.
Help text would have to be less specific, referring to "the appropriate
serial connector on your Elecraft device" instead of "the upper DB-9
connector on the back panel of your KPA500".

Using multiple functions concurrently (K3 terminal tab and KPA operate page)
would require a very different user interface. It's difficult to make a
major course change when you have a number of existing products, a fair
sized customer base, and the task list is never empty. I can't stop
everything and start over to redesign for single utility (with multiple
independent windows).

With the full array of products supported, the tab list and help text could
get pretty hefty. The Utility could easily become quite cluttered. What
would a first-time Elecraft customer with his brand new XG3, think of all
this? It could easily be overwhelming.

I sometimes have several products in early development stages at the same
time. For a while I had K3, P3, W2, K144XV utilities "in the field", in use
by customers. I was supporting a KPA field test group (with its evolving
utility) and a separate XG3 test group (with its evolving utility). And in
the midst of this several-month period, I had to continue to make K3 and P3
Utility changes without disclosing to K3 and P3 customers that there was
such a thing as an XG3. You can do this sort of thing with a larger
development team with things like "source code forks" and separate source
code "trees". But then when it's time to bring them all together you have a
potential for major disruption of what used to work separately.

It just seemed like the potential problems overtook the potential
advantages.

But I do spend a lot of time resolving changes between the source code bases
for all these utilities. I'm actively working on techniques to make that
easier. But thats a programmer productivity issue affecting mostly me.

73 de Dick, K6KR

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob May [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:40 AM
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA500 Utility

Dick,
Thanks for explaining the thinking in choosing to do separate utilities. My
comment about cluttering up the desktop with Elecraft icons was tongue in
cheek. Half the desktop is taken up with radio related programs! Sorry if
I came off more serious that I really meant to be. Thanks for the great job
you do.
Rob
NV5E

----------------------------------------

utilities.

>
> Rob
> NV5E
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> > Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:12:08 -0700
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Utility
> >
> > The FW page for KPA Utility (Windows Version 1.4.5.4) May 4, 2011 reads:
> >
> > "Download and run the file from the above link.
> > Use this utility to check for the latest releases of new features
> > for your K3.
> > Requires either a RS-232 cable or KUSB Serial-USB Cable to download
> > from your PC to the K3."
> >
> > To the K3??? Or to the KPA500?
> > Is this a typo?
> >
> > It's a bit early (still waiting for my KPA500 and it will have the
> > initial FW anyway) but I'm curious!
> >
> > 73
> > Richard
> >
> > -----
> > Richard - HB9ANM
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-Utility-tp6361039p6361039.
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K2GN

Re: KPA500 Utility

Having spent 30+ years in data process it is common to keep your hardware
supporting software separated. A utility for each is the way to go. Hard
drive storage is cheap, It's just a matter of organize your support software
and accessing it when needed.
There's no need to clutter a desktop with everything. These utilities are
not part of our day to day operation. I prefer not to have combined
software.

de K2GN - Larry - http://k2gn.com
K-Line - K3 S/N - 3278 P3 S/N - 51 KPA500(Tomorrow delivery) W2s

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Phil Hystad-3

Re: KPA500 Utility

But, then again, it is easy to view the K-line as one system and thus having one software
application to manage your K-line makes sense. I am also a computer programmer with
40+ years in the industry and I would prefer one application. I do understand the need
to support those who do not have all the pieces but this too can be done with a single
application.

Soon, there will be a software driven antenna tuner to add to the mix. I am thinking
that one application could be beneficial as a user. It is easily to lose track of close to
a half-dozen different little apps -- especially when you do not use them all that much.

My two-bit comment,

73, phil, K7PEH

On May 15, 2011, at 9:47 AM, K2GN wrote:

> Having spent 30+ years in data process it is common to keep your hardware
> supporting software separated. A utility for each is the way to go. Hard
> drive storage is cheap, It's just a matter of organize your support software
> and accessing it when needed.
> There's no need to clutter a desktop with everything. These utilities are
> not part of our day to day operation. I prefer not to have combined
> software.
>
>
> de K2GN - Larry - http://k2gn.com
> K-Line - K3 S/N - 3278 P3 S/N - 51 KPA500(Tomorrow delivery) W2s
>
>
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Gary Gregory

Re: KPA500 Utility

The utility is just that...a utility....not run very often and useful for
updating FW but for day to day operation is not really useful at all.

Sometimes the desires of some are not in tune with the desires of others?

One folder, several utilities is fine with me.

But then I use my K-Line daily and detest the thought of having to use
software other than for a logging program.

YMMV

Gary

On 16 May 2011 03:06, Phil Hystad <[hidden email]> wrote:

> But, then again, it is easy to view the K-line as one system and thus
> having one software
> application to manage your K-line makes sense. I am also a computer
> programmer with
> 40+ years in the industry and I would prefer one application. I do
> understand the need
> to support those who do not have all the pieces but this too can be done
> with a single
> application.
>
> Soon, there will be a software driven antenna tuner to add to the mix. I
> am thinking
> that one application could be beneficial as a user. It is easily to lose
> track of close to
> a half-dozen different little apps -- especially when you do not use them
> all that much.
>
> My two-bit comment,
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
> On May 15, 2011, at 9:47 AM, K2GN wrote:
>
> > Having spent 30+ years in data process it is common to keep your hardware
> > supporting software separated. A utility for each is the way to go. Hard
> > drive storage is cheap, It's just a matter of organize your support
> software
> > and accessing it when needed.
> > There's no need to clutter a desktop with everything. These utilities are
> > not part of our day to day operation. I prefer not to have combined
> > software.
> >
> >
> > de K2GN - Larry - http://k2gn.com
> > K-Line - K3 S/N - 3278 P3 S/N - 51 KPA500(Tomorrow delivery) W2s
> >
> >
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