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Mark Goldberg

KPA500 installation on side?

Can the KPA500 be installed on it's side? There are feet there. I want to
install it in an RV and there is more room for wiring and fan air movement
that way.

A search did not turn up any answers.

73,

Mark
W7MLG
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Scott Manthe-2

Re: KPA500 installation on side?

The feet are there for transport. I'm betting, because the way the case
is designed, that leaving it sitting on its side is probably not a good
idea. But I don't have a concrete reason, other than the weight of the
transformer and the design of the case.

73,
Scott N9AA

On 7/8/18 1:56 PM, Mark Goldberg wrote:

> Can the KPA500 be installed on it's side? There are feet there. I want to
> install it in an RV and there is more room for wiring and fan air movement
> that way.
>
> A search did not turn up any answers.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
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Edward A. Dauer

KPA500 installation on side?

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Just last week I sent the same question to Elecraft Support. The answer I got was yes, it can be, with two caveats. First, be sure to leave the 4 inches of free air clearance next to the top (top as in standard orientation), and don't set it so that the LEDs are on the floor. The orientation isn't odd, really. If it is resting on its right side the power switch will be on the rear, but very near the top edge. That's how mine will be, when it arrives this week --- I hope..

Ted, KN1CBR

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Can the KPA500 be installed on it's side? There are feet there. I want to
install it in an RV and there is more room for wiring and fan air movement
that way.

A search did not turn up any answers.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

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Edward A. Dauer

Re: KPA500 installation on side?

Oops. My error. I read KPA1500, not 500. Wishful thinking on my part.

Move to strike prior testimony.

Ted , KN1CBR

On 7/8/18, 5:16 PM, "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]> wrote:

Just last week I sent the same question to Elecraft Support. The answer I got was yes, it can be, with two caveats. First, be sure to leave the 4 inches of free air clearance next to the top (top as in standard orientation), and don't set it so that the LEDs are on the floor. The orientation isn't odd, really. If it is resting on its right side the power switch will be on the rear, but very near the top edge. That's how mine will be, when it arrives this week --- I hope..

Ted, KN1CBR

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 10:56:03 -0700
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Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 installation on side?
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Can the KPA500 be installed on it's side? There are feet there. I want to
install it in an RV and there is more room for wiring and fan air movement
that way.

A search did not turn up any answers.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

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Jeff Blaine

Re: KPA500 installation on side?

To clarify - by "side" i mean the side that you would call the left or
right side of the case - that is what i'm considering to have down. Not
the face or back. Just rotating the amp 90 deg.

73/jeff/ac0c
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On 08-Jul-18 6:22 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:

> Oops. My error. I read KPA1500, not 500. Wishful thinking on my part.
>
> Move to strike prior testimony.
>
> Ted , KN1CBR
>
>
>
> On 7/8/18, 5:16 PM, "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Just last week I sent the same question to Elecraft Support. The answer I got was yes, it can be, with two caveats. First, be sure to leave the 4 inches of free air clearance next to the top (top as in standard orientation), and don't set it so that the LEDs are on the floor. The orientation isn't odd, really. If it is resting on its right side the power switch will be on the rear, but very near the top edge. That's how mine will be, when it arrives this week --- I hope..
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
> ------------------------------
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> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 10:56:03 -0700
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> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 installation on side?
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> Can the KPA500 be installed on it's side? There are feet there. I want to
> install it in an RV and there is more room for wiring and fan air movement
> that way.
>
> A search did not turn up any answers.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
>
>
>
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Re: KPA500 installation on side?

I know that there are feet are on the right side of the case, but if I were to place the KPA500 on its side, i think I would create a stand so that it can sit on the left side. Why?
The big weight (power toroid) is on the left side, while the heat generators (the PA transistors) are on the right. The center of gravity would be lower, cables would be down low (especially the power cable), and the fans up high.
The only heat generators on the left side are the power regulators (for +5 and +12V). They don’t generate nearly as much heat as the PA. The down side? The carry handle is on the left. That’s why a short cradle would be needed to lift the case above the handle extension.

Just opinion, not an official recommendation. Mine sits nicely on its bottom feet with the KAT500 on top. That allows me to cable the two very nicely using custom cables.

73,
Jack, W6FB

> On Jul 8, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Jeff Blaine <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> To clarify - by "side" i mean the side that you would call the left or right side of the case - that is what i'm considering to have down. Not the face or back. Just rotating the amp 90 deg.
>
> 73/jeff/ac0c
> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
> www.ac0c.com
>
> On 08-Jul-18 6:22 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>> Oops. My error. I read KPA1500, not 500. Wishful thinking on my part.
>>
>> Move to strike prior testimony.
>>
>> Ted , KN1CBR
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/8/18, 5:16 PM, "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Just last week I sent the same question to Elecraft Support. The answer I got was yes, it can be, with two caveats. First, be sure to leave the 4 inches of free air clearance next to the top (top as in standard orientation), and don't set it so that the LEDs are on the floor. The orientation isn't odd, really. If it is resting on its right side the power switch will be on the rear, but very near the top edge. That's how mine will be, when it arrives this week --- I hope..
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>> ------------------------------
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 10:56:03 -0700
>> From: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
>> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 installation on side?
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>> <CAKn+a3tL_r6RnRod1BSk-ET=_+R1i=[hidden email]>
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>> Can the KPA500 be installed on it's side? There are feet there. I want to
>> install it in an RV and there is more room for wiring and fan air movement
>> that way.
>> A search did not turn up any answers.
>> 73,
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>>
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Mark Goldberg

Re: KPA500 installation on side?

My other option is to put it a few inches above a Xantrex Prosine inverter
/ charger. On the road it will be powered by that inverter anyway, so maybe
proximity is not a huge issue. I need to filter it anyway. They do have
quite a bit of filtering in there already, but I could hear the birdies
from the charger when it was running. It's a Sprinter based RV, not very
big, and under the rear seat is where I have room and it is close to the
antenna feed.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft <
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> I know that there are feet are on the right side of the case, but if I
> were to place the KPA500 on its side, i think I would create a stand so
> that it can sit on the left side. Why?
> The big weight (power toroid) is on the left side, while the heat
> generators (the PA transistors) are on the right. The center of gravity
> would be lower, cables would be down low (especially the power cable), and
> the fans up high.
> The only heat generators on the left side are the power regulators (for +5
> and +12V). They don’t generate nearly as much heat as the PA. The down
> side? The carry handle is on the left. That’s why a short cradle would be
> needed to lift the case above the handle extension.
>
> Just opinion, not an official recommendation. Mine sits nicely on its
> bottom feet with the KAT500 on top. That allows me to cable the two very
> nicely using custom cables.
>
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
>
> > On Jul 8, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Jeff Blaine <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > To clarify - by "side" i mean the side that you would call the left or
> right side of the case - that is what i'm considering to have down. Not
> the face or back. Just rotating the amp 90 deg.
> >
> > 73/jeff/ac0c
> > alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
> > www.ac0c.com
> >
> > On 08-Jul-18 6:22 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> >> Oops. My error. I read KPA1500, not 500. Wishful thinking on my part.
> >>
> >> Move to strike prior testimony.
> >>
> >> Ted , KN1CBR
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/8/18, 5:16 PM, "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Just last week I sent the same question to Elecraft Support.
> The answer I got was yes, it can be, with two caveats. First, be sure to
> leave the 4 inches of free air clearance next to the top (top as in
> standard orientation), and don't set it so that the LEDs are on the floor.
> The orientation isn't odd, really. If it is resting on its right side the
> power switch will be on the rear, but very near the top edge. That's how
> mine will be, when it arrives this week --- I hope..
> >> Ted, KN1CBR
> >> ------------------------------
> >> Message: 9
> >> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 10:56:03 -0700
> >> From: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
> >> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
> >> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 installation on side?
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> >> Can the KPA500 be installed on it's side? There are
> feet there. I want to
> >> install it in an RV and there is more room for wiring and fan
> air movement
> >> that way.
> >> A search did not turn up any answers.
> >> 73,
> >> Mark
> >> W7MLG
> >>
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Re: KPA500 installation on side?

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Possible to swap covers?

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 installation on side?

I know that there are feet are on the right side of the case, but if I were to place the KPA500 on its side, i think I would create a stand so that it can sit on the left side. Why?
The big weight (power toroid) is on the left side, while the heat generators (the PA transistors) are on the right. The center of gravity would be lower, cables would be down low (especially the power cable), and the fans up high.
The only heat generators on the left side are the power regulators (for +5 and +12V). They don’t generate nearly as much heat as the PA. The down side? The carry handle is on the left. That’s why a short cradle would be needed to lift the case above the handle extension.

Just opinion, not an official recommendation. Mine sits nicely on its bottom feet with the KAT500 on top. That allows me to cable the two very nicely using custom cables.

73,
Jack, W6FB

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Re: KPA500 installation on side?

Actually the feet are on the left side, not the right. They are on the same end that the transformer is on and would be in the perfect position to sit standing upright.

Michael Blake
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> On Jul 9, 2018, at 2:37 PM, hawley, charles j jr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Possible to swap covers?
>
> Chuck Hawley
> [hidden email]
>
> Amateur Radio, KE9UW
> aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
> ________________________________________
> From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] on behalf of Jack Brindle via Elecraft [[hidden email]]
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2018 10:49 PM
> To: Jeff Blaine
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 installation on side?
>
> I know that there are feet are on the right side of the case, but if I were to place the KPA500 on its side, i think I would create a stand so that it can sit on the left side. Why?
> The big weight (power toroid) is on the left side, while the heat generators (the PA transistors) are on the right. The center of gravity would be lower, cables would be down low (especially the power cable), and the fans up high.
> The only heat generators on the left side are the power regulators (for +5 and +12V). They don’t generate nearly as much heat as the PA. The down side? The carry handle is on the left. That’s why a short cradle would be needed to lift the case above the handle extension.
>
> Just opinion, not an official recommendation. Mine sits nicely on its bottom feet with the KAT500 on top. That allows me to cable the two very nicely using custom cables.
>
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
>
>> On Jul 8, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Jeff Blaine <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> To clarify - by "side" i mean the side that you would call the left or right side of the case - that is what i'm considering to have down. Not the face or back. Just rotating the amp 90 deg.
>>
>> 73/jeff/ac0c
>> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
>> www.ac0c.com
>>
>> On 08-Jul-18 6:22 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>> Oops. My error. I read KPA1500, not 500. Wishful thinking on my part.
>>>
>>> Move to strike prior testimony.
>>>
>>> Ted , KN1CBR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/8/18, 5:16 PM, "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just last week I sent the same question to Elecraft Support. The answer I got was yes, it can be, with two caveats. First, be sure to leave the 4 inches of free air clearance next to the top (top as in standard orientation), and don't set it so that the LEDs are on the floor. The orientation isn't odd, really. If it is resting on its right side the power switch will be on the rear, but very near the top edge. That's how mine will be, when it arrives this week --- I hope..
>>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>> ------------------------------
>>> Message: 9
>>> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 10:56:03 -0700
>>> From: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
>>> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 installation on side?
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <CAKn+a3tL_r6RnRod1BSk-ET=_+R1i=[hidden email]>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>> Can the KPA500 be installed on it's side? There are feet there. I want to
>>> install it in an RV and there is more room for wiring and fan air movement
>>> that way.
>>> A search did not turn up any answers.
>>> 73,
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>>
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Re: KPA500 installation on side?

And you are right! When developing the KPA500, we went back and forth as to which was the best side, so my memory can be a bit fuzzy there. Mine had no handle or side feet for quite a while.

There is still significant heat production on the left side since the side panel is used as a heat sink for three (I believe) TO-220 regulators. I would still get that up off carpet so that at least some air can flow through to dissipate the heat.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Jul 9, 2018, at 11:41 AM, Michael Blake <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Actually the feet are on the left side, not the right. They are on the same end that the transformer is on and would be in the perfect position to sit standing upright.
>
> Michael Blake
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Jul 9, 2018, at 2:37 PM, hawley, charles j jr <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> Possible to swap covers?
>>
>> Chuck Hawley
>> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>
>> Amateur Radio, KE9UW
>> aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
>> ________________________________________
>> From: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> [[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>] on behalf of Jack Brindle via Elecraft [[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>]
>> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2018 10:49 PM
>> To: Jeff Blaine
>> Cc: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 installation on side?
>>
>> I know that there are feet are on the right side of the case, but if I were to place the KPA500 on its side, i think I would create a stand so that it can sit on the left side. Why?
>> The big weight (power toroid) is on the left side, while the heat generators (the PA transistors) are on the right. The center of gravity would be lower, cables would be down low (especially the power cable), and the fans up high.
>> The only heat generators on the left side are the power regulators (for +5 and +12V). They don’t generate nearly as much heat as the PA. The down side? The carry handle is on the left. That’s why a short cradle would be needed to lift the case above the handle extension.
>>
>> Just opinion, not an official recommendation. Mine sits nicely on its bottom feet with the KAT500 on top. That allows me to cable the two very nicely using custom cables.
>>
>> 73,
>> Jack, W6FB
>>
>>> On Jul 8, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Jeff Blaine <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> To clarify - by "side" i mean the side that you would call the left or right side of the case - that is what i'm considering to have down. Not the face or back. Just rotating the amp 90 deg.
>>>
>>> 73/jeff/ac0c
>>> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
>>> www.ac0c.com <http://www.ac0c.com/>
>>>
>>> On 08-Jul-18 6:22 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>>> Oops. My error. I read KPA1500, not 500. Wishful thinking on my part.
>>>>
>>>> Move to strike prior testimony.
>>>>
>>>> Ted , KN1CBR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/8/18, 5:16 PM, "Dauer, Edward" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just last week I sent the same question to Elecraft Support. The answer I got was yes, it can be, with two caveats. First, be sure to leave the 4 inches of free air clearance next to the top (top as in standard orientation), and don't set it so that the LEDs are on the floor. The orientation isn't odd, really. If it is resting on its right side the power switch will be on the rear, but very near the top edge. That's how mine will be, when it arrives this week --- I hope..
>>>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 10:56:03 -0700
>>>> From: Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: Elecraft Mailing List <[hidden email]>
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 installation on side?
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <CAKn+a3tL_r6RnRod1BSk-ET=_+R1i=[hidden email]>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>> Can the KPA500 be installed on it's side? There are feet there. I want to
>>>> install it in an RV and there is more room for wiring and fan air movement
>>>> that way.
>>>> A search did not turn up any answers.
>>>> 73,
>>>> Mark
>>>> W7MLG
>>>>
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