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k6dgw

Re: KSYN3A

I know one of those, obviously far better off than we are, who tips on
the total less tax in a restaurant. I decided to buy him lunch. It is
what it is, we're all different.

On-topic question: I'm totally happy with my fairly vanilla K3 [S/N 642
upgraded a few years ago at Elecraft]. No sub-Rx, 2.7 SSB and 500 Hz
CW, DVR, and KBPF3. 95% CW, rest RTTY [contests] and SSB [SOTA]. My
K-line is "fairly well installed in the rack," the rear gives new
meaning to the term "wireless," and taking it apart is a bit of a chore.
Getting it back together is a bigger chore.

What would I gain from the new Synth? I have no nearby phase noise
problems since Jim [WX6V] got a K3, and I think my TX signal is "within
specs."

73,

Fred K6DGW
TDY Bakersfield CA [don't ask why :-)]

On 2015-02-13 16:23, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Consider those who willingly spend $5k or so for a transceiver
> configured to the max, but balk at spending $5 for a cable adapter or
> something special of that nature. Perhaps "thrifty" is a more
> politically correct term.

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: KSYN3A

Fred,

See my response to Johnny Siu. That is the best I can do to explain it
in "layman's terms".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/13/2015 8:03 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> What would I gain from the new Synth? I have no nearby phase noise
> problems since Jim [WX6V] got a K3, and I think my TX signal is
> "within specs."
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Re: KSYN3A

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I think you are confusing 'thrifty' and 'stingy'.

Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Consider those who willingly spend $5k or so for a transceiver
> configured to the max, but balk at spending $5 for a cable adapter or
> something special of that nature. Perhaps "thrifty" is a more
> politically correct term.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 2/13/2015 6:20 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> I find it had to regard Elecraft-owning hams as "cheap", Rick :-)
>>
>> Phil W7OX
>>
>> On 2/13/15 2:49 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote:
>>> Not a totally useless idea, it gives Elecraft a supply for those
>>> simple wanting to add the KXR3 without doing the upgrade. Since
>>> they won't be making more and hams are generically cheap
>>
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Re: KSYN3A

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Good thing they don't get into Reef Aquariums
;)

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A

Consider those who willingly spend $5k or so for a transceiver
configured to the max, but balk at spending $5 for a cable adapter or
something special of that nature. Perhaps "thrifty" is a more
politically correct term.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/13/2015 6:20 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> I find it had to regard Elecraft-owning hams as "cheap", Rick :-)
>
> Phil W7OX
>
> On 2/13/15 2:49 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote:
>> Not a totally useless idea, it gives Elecraft a supply for those
>> simple wanting to add the KXR3 without doing the upgrade. Since they
>> won't be making more and hams are generically cheap
>

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Re: KSYN3A

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It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the
KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package
weighting .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service through
UPS.com I get $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping. Just sayin....

Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: KSYN3A

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> I operate 2m-eme with JT65 and will be very interested to see if I
> can see improvement with the new synth.

I'm guessing not unless you see some direct (tropo) signals.

> JT-65, like all weak-signal modes, greatly benefits from low
> phase-noise in a receiver (typically from the LO).

On HF JT65 and JT9 as well as 6M tropo, the improved phase noise
should be significant doe to the lower reciprocal mixing ... the
strong signals in the passband will not raise the noise floor as
much.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-02-13 5:53 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:

> Doug,
>
> JT-65, like all weak-signal modes, greatly benefits from low phase-noise
> in a receiver (typically from the LO).
> I operate 2m-eme with JT65 and will be very interested to see if I can
> see improvement with the new synth.
>
> Nor will I part with my sub-rcvr as its integral to my dual-polarity
> adaptive reception using JT65. I use diversity reception with receivers
> connected to different polarities. The sw that provides adaptive
> reception is MAP65.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>
> From: "Doug Turnbull" <[hidden email]>
> To: "'Richard Thorpe'" <[hidden email]>, "'Elecraft List'"
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A
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> Dear OMs,
> In no way would I part with my sub-receiver.
> ======snip=======
> A few interesting questions have been asked - is there any
> advantage
> for JT-65 with the new board?
> =====snip========
>
> 73 Doug EI2CN
>
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: KSYN3A

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Doug, did you factor into your calculation the cost of protective packaging to protect the delicate board from damage while in transit?
Just a thought.

((((73)))) Milverton

So much Trouble in the World! :- ( Bob Marley.

> On Feb 13, 2015, at 20:28, Doug Person via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package weighting .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service through UPS.com I get $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping. Just sayin....
>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: KSYN3A

The total shipping cost to a company consists of not only the cost of
packaging materials and postage, but also the salaries of the staff who
take the order, process it and the hands that put the items in the
package and apply the shipping label.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/14/2015 4:38 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:

> Doug, did you factor into your calculation the cost of protective packaging to protect the delicate board from damage while in transit?
> Just a thought.
>
> ((((73)))) Milverton
>
> So much Trouble in the World! :- ( Bob Marley.
>
>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 20:28, Doug Person via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package weighting .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service through UPS.com I get $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping. Just sayin....
>>
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Gary Smith-2

Re: KSYN3A

I second this.

I consider the "handling" part of Shipping and handling to be
equivalent to the effort assembling a part & paying the company for
doing that. The shipping is a fixed price for a company and the
company has to pay staff. Not to charge for that order acceptance and
handling time means the company donates that money from their budget
and processing that order is a loss for them.

I too noticed the cost of shipping when I ordered the two KSYN3A and
AM filter but I go back to my earlier post where I said I want
Elecraft to succeed and prosper. They can't prosper giving away the
order department and shipping department's services.

73,
Gary
KA1J

> The total shipping cost to a company consists of not only the cost of
> packaging materials and postage, but also the salaries of the staff who
> take the order, process it and the hands that put the items in the
> package and apply the shipping label.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 2/14/2015 4:38 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:
> > Doug, did you factor into your calculation the cost of protective packaging to protect the delicate board from damage while in transit?
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > ((((73)))) Milverton
> >
> > So much Trouble in the World! :- ( Bob Marley.
> >
> >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 20:28, Doug Person via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package weighting .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service through UPS.com I get $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping. Just sayin....
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Tony Scandurra K4QE

Re: KSYN3A

I also suggest that everyone should consider the other shipping options
available.

I chose USPS Priority Mail, and it was significantly cheaper than UPS
Ground.

It pays to look at all the options.

73, Tony K4QE

On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Gary Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I second this.
>
> I consider the "handling" part of Shipping and handling to be
> equivalent to the effort assembling a part & paying the company for
> doing that. The shipping is a fixed price for a company and the
> company has to pay staff. Not to charge for that order acceptance and
> handling time means the company donates that money from their budget
> and processing that order is a loss for them.
>
> I too noticed the cost of shipping when I ordered the two KSYN3A and
> AM filter but I go back to my earlier post where I said I want
> Elecraft to succeed and prosper. They can't prosper giving away the
> order department and shipping department's services.
>
> 73,
> Gary
> KA1J
>
> > The total shipping cost to a company consists of not only the cost of
> > packaging materials and postage, but also the salaries of the staff who
> > take the order, process it and the hands that put the items in the
> > package and apply the shipping label.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 2/14/2015 4:38 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:
> > > Doug, did you factor into your calculation the cost of protective
> packaging to protect the delicate board from damage while in transit?
> > > Just a thought.
> > >
> > > ((((73)))) Milverton
> > >
> > > So much Trouble in the World! :- ( Bob Marley.
> > >
> > >> On Feb 13, 2015, at 20:28, Doug Person via Elecraft <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the
> KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package weighting
> .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service through UPS.com I get
> $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping. Just sayin....
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Raymond Sills

Re: KSYN3A

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13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is
0.8125 pounds, so it might be possible to -mail- the new board and not
use UPS. The postal service would be cheaper, but you'd have to add
insurance, so the price might be a toss-up vs. UPS. If the board
would fit into a small Priority Mail box, (likely), the cost would be
less than First Class.

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211

On Feb 13, 2015, at 9:28 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:

> It's just one of those things that really annoy me. I ordered the
> KSYN3A. Shipping via UPS was calculated as $20.00+ for a package
> weighting .8 pounds. When I run the same locations and service
> through UPS.com I get $8.38. That's a of markup on the shipping.
> Just sayin....
>
> Doug -- K0DXV
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David Christ

Re: KSYN3A (shipping)

Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes and envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs. Comes with tracking. The limitation is size. The envelopes and small box are under $6. Where they can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or Hawaii. Same price as across town.

$50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30.

David K0LUM

On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is 0.8125 pounds,….
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211

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Re: KSYN3A (shipping)

> Where they can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to
> Alaska or Hawaii.

Actually, a Padded Flat Rate Envelope is a real bargain for many uses.
It's an 8 1/2" x 11" edge loading bubble pack envelope that will often
hold two or three 1" thick small boxes suitable for the K3SYNTH, PR6,
PR10, XG3, etc. The envelopes are truly flat rate and will take
whatever you can stuff into them without regard to thickness, etc. as
long as the envelope remains intact.

The Padded Flat Rate Envelope is much more flexible than the
traditional "document" or the "Legal" Flat Rate envelopes.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-02-14 3:16 PM, David Christ wrote:

> Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes and envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs. Comes with tracking. The limitation is size. The envelopes and small box are under $6. Where they can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or Hawaii. Same price as across town.
>
> $50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30.
>
>
> David K0LUM
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is 0.8125 pounds,….
>>
>> 73 de Ray
>> K2ULR
>> KX3 #211
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W1KSZ

Re: KSYN3A (shipping)

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If you are shipping short distances (next state or two), the Regional
Rate method
is even cheaper. I sent a Medium size box from Tucson to San Diego for
under $6.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On 2/14/2015 1:16 PM, David Christ wrote:

> Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes and envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs. Comes with tracking. The limitation is size. The envelopes and small box are under $6. Where they can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or Hawaii. Same price as across town.
>
> $50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30.
>
>
> David K0LUM
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is 0.8125 pounds,….
>>
>> 73 de Ray
>> K2ULR
>> KX3 #211
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Grant Youngman

Re: KSYN3A (shipping)

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I find it a bit humorous that the subject invariably arising for a $200 (or $1000 or $10,000+) item ends up being about chump change on shipping costs. We’ll drop a bundle on something and then spend hours quibbling about a few bucks on shipping.

I’m not a terribly sophisticated user of my K3 compared to some of you, but my K3 has all of the available options, all of the mods installed, and the latest revs of everything (I know about). I have two of the new KSYN boards ordered. Last thing I worried about when I placed the order was shipping cost.

Maybe it’s just a need to find SOMETHING to grumble about. I spent more on a few (losing) PowerBall tickets that garnered nothing in return. At least I know I’ll get a box in the mail from Aptos :)

Grant NQ5T

>
>> Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes and envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs. Comes with tracking. The limitation is size. The envelopes and small box are under $6. Where they can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or Hawaii. Same price as across town.
>>
>> $50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30.
>>
>>
>> David K0LUM
>>
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is 0.8125 pounds,….
>>>
>>> 73 de Ray
>>> K2ULR
>>> KX3 #211
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________

Doug Turnbull

Re: KSYN3A (shipping)

In reply to this post by W1KSZ

Dear OMs,
I certainly see your point on shipping charges. However the K3 is not
being made obsolete by a newer radio. If you have a single receiver the
price is pretty reasonable and if you have two radios what do we expect.
Elecraft makes money and I hope they continue to do so.

The demise of R.L Drake was bad enough. The ham market is not that
lucrative and the likes of Wayne and Eric deserve their rewards. Then
these gentlemen never present themselves as anything other than brother
hams. After all we are all members of the Loyal Order of Water Buffalo.

73 Doug EI2CN

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A (shipping)

If you are shipping short distances (next state or two), the Regional
Rate method
is even cheaper. I sent a Medium size box from Tucson to San Diego for
under $6.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On 2/14/2015 1:16 PM, David Christ wrote:
> Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes and
envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs. Comes with tracking. The limitation
is size. The envelopes and small box are under $6. Where they can be a
real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or Hawaii. Same
price as across town.

>
> $50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30.
>
>
> David K0LUM
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is 0.8125

pounds,..

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>> 73 de Ray
>> K2ULR
>> KX3 #211
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Re: KSYN3A (shipping)

In reply to this post by Grant Youngman

I find it a bit humorous that the subject invariably arising for a $200 (or
$1000 or $10,000+) item ends up being about chump change on shipping
costs. We’ll drop a bundle on something and then spend hours quibbling
about a few bucks on shipping.

At least I know I’ll get a box in the mail from Aptos :)

Right on Grant, I've learned a new word from the Elecraft reflector
'Tightwads'

73, Deni - F5VJC

On 14 February 2015 at 22:22, GRANT YOUNGMAN <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I find it a bit humorous that the subject invariably arising for a $200
> (or $1000 or $10,000+) item ends up being about chump change on shipping
> costs. We’ll drop a bundle on something and then spend hours quibbling
> about a few bucks on shipping.
>
> I’m not a terribly sophisticated user of my K3 compared to some of you,
> but my K3 has all of the available options, all of the mods installed, and
> the latest revs of everything (I know about). I have two of the new KSYN
> boards ordered. Last thing I worried about when I placed the order was
> shipping cost.
>
> Maybe it’s just a need to find SOMETHING to grumble about. I spent more
> on a few (losing) PowerBall tickets that garnered nothing in return. At
> least I know I’ll get a box in the mail from Aptos :)
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
> >
> >> Actually Priority Mail travels as first class and the flat rate boxes
> and envelopes are good for up to 70 lbs. Comes with tracking. The
> limitation is size. The envelopes and small box are under $6. Where they
> can be a real bargain is if you need to mail something to Alaska or
> Hawaii. Same price as across town.
> >>
> >> $50 insurance is included, $200 is $3.30.
> >>
> >>
> >> David K0LUM
> >>
> >>
> >> On Feb 14, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Ray Sills <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> 13 ounces (the limit for First Class Postal service packages) is
> 0.8125 pounds,….
> >>>
> >>> 73 de Ray
> >>> K2ULR
> >>> KX3 #211
> >>
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Re: KSYN3A (shipping)

If you want to save on the shipping, Just bunch up your orders.
Order 3 filters at a time instead of one at a time.

Elecraft has even combined my orders before to save my shipping cost.
Then need to change the line from "Shipping" to "Shipping and Handling"
The items do not Pack Themselves and the box does not address it's selfThey have to pay someone to do that labor.

From: F5vjc <[hidden email]>
To: GRANT YOUNGMAN <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KSYN3A (shipping)

I find it a bit humorous that the subject invariably arising for a $200 (or
$1000 or $10,000+) item ends up being about chump change on shipping
costs. We’ll drop a bundle on something and then spend hours quibbling
about a few bucks on shipping.

At least I know I’ll get a box in the mail from Aptos :)

Right on Grant, I've learned a new word from the Elecraft reflector
'Tightwads'

73, Deni - F5VJC

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