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KX3 2m external amplifier

Dirk Handzic
Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external amplifier?
I am looking for any recommendations. I have looked at RM Italy LA-144
and Mirage B-34-G. My intention is to use it with both FM and SSB. Does
anyone have experience with one of these amplifiers?
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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Jim Brown-10
On Thu,7/28/2016 9:50 AM, Dirk Handzic wrote:
> Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external amplifier?

My neighbor W6GJB and I both have K3s with Elecraft 2m transverters. His
is internal, mine is external (I've owned it for more than ten years).
Several years ago, we searched for and acquired vintage (30 year old)
brick amps that drive with either 2W or 10W for an output of about 150W.
They have built-in preamps. These vintage amps were made during the 70s
and 80s with the Mirage and RF Concepts name, and were built in Northern
California. They also made versions of these amps that required higher
drive levels -- 30W and 50W, I think, and they also made versions for
440 MHz. I own some of those too, which I use with the FM rig in my
shack. The Mirage name was later bought by MFJ. We found four of these
vintage amps in good condition in a few days simply by asking on two
local club reflectors. I don't remember what we paid, but I do know that
we considered them a bargain. :)

Those older amps are a great fit to an Elecraft rig with an Elecraft
transverter. We use the version that drives with 2W so that we can run
the transverter at the lowest possible power, thus reducing heat.

73, Jim K9YC

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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Tim Tucker
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I've used mine with the Mirage B-320-G quite a lot.  It works great, both
FM and SSB with no issues.  I've also used it with a little Tokyo Hi-Power
35 watt amp and had no issues, either.  There really isn't anything
complicated about getting the KX3 2m going with any amplifier - just make
sure the one you choose will deliver the power you're looking for with 3
watts or less input.

Tim
AE6LX

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 9:50 AM, Dirk Handzic <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external amplifier?
> I am looking for any recommendations. I have looked at RM Italy LA-144
> and Mirage B-34-G. My intention is to use it with both FM and SSB. Does
> anyone have experience with one of these amplifiers?
> --
> 73, Dirk SA4DHT
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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Clay Autery
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I need one of those...  Adding 2m as soon as I can.

Can you give me some better info on that low drive unit, Jim?  Bet one
of the guys around here has one they aren't using...

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On 7/28/2016 12:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On Thu,7/28/2016 9:50 AM, Dirk Handzic wrote:
>> Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external
>> amplifier?
>
> My neighbor W6GJB and I both have K3s with Elecraft 2m transverters.
> His is internal, mine is external (I've owned it for more than ten
> years). Several years ago, we searched for and acquired vintage (30
> year old) brick amps that drive with either 2W or 10W for an output of
> about 150W. They have built-in preamps. These vintage amps were made
> during the 70s and 80s with the Mirage and RF Concepts name, and were
> built in Northern California. They also made versions of these amps
> that required higher drive levels -- 30W and 50W, I think, and they
> also made versions for 440 MHz. I own some of those too, which I use
> with the FM rig in my shack. The Mirage name was later bought by MFJ.
> We found four of these vintage amps in good condition in a few days
> simply by asking on two local club reflectors. I don't remember what
> we paid, but I do know that we considered them a bargain. :)
>
> Those older amps are a great fit to an Elecraft rig with an Elecraft
> transverter. We use the version that drives with 2W so that we can run
> the transverter at the lowest possible power, thus reducing heat.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

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Any of the older ones rated at less than 10 watt in and a linear version not Class C will be fine.  I have used the KLM, Mirage and TPL units with success on two meters with various rigs both FM and SSB.  There are quite a few on the used market, just make sure it still works as advertised for rated output. 

Good luck.
Mel, K6KBE
One of the founders of KLM Electronics


      From: Clay Autery <[hidden email]>
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 Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier
   
I need one of those...  Adding 2m as soon as I can.

Can you give me some better info on that low drive unit, Jim?  Bet one
of the guys around here has one they aren't using...

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On 7/28/2016 12:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

> On Thu,7/28/2016 9:50 AM, Dirk Handzic wrote:
>> Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external
>> amplifier?
>
> My neighbor W6GJB and I both have K3s with Elecraft 2m transverters.
> His is internal, mine is external (I've owned it for more than ten
> years). Several years ago, we searched for and acquired vintage (30
> year old) brick amps that drive with either 2W or 10W for an output of
> about 150W. They have built-in preamps. These vintage amps were made
> during the 70s and 80s with the Mirage and RF Concepts name, and were
> built in Northern California. They also made versions of these amps
> that required higher drive levels -- 30W and 50W, I think, and they
> also made versions for 440 MHz. I own some of those too, which I use
> with the FM rig in my shack. The Mirage name was later bought by MFJ.
> We found four of these vintage amps in good condition in a few days
> simply by asking on two local club reflectors. I don't remember what
> we paid, but I do know that we considered them a bargain. :)
>
> Those older amps are a great fit to an Elecraft rig with an Elecraft
> transverter. We use the version that drives with 2W so that we can run
> the transverter at the lowest possible power, thus reducing heat.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Josh Fiden
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I've been very happy with a vintage RF Concepts 2-417. It's rated for
170W out with 45W drive. However, I used it very successfully driving it
from my TH-F6A 5W HT. I never measured the output with that drive, but
it was clearly considerable. Also, the preamp is quite good. These are
readily available used, best guess is price around $175-250 for one in
good condx.

73,
Josh W6XU


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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Charlie T, K3ICH
My TE Systems 1452G amp puts out a tad under 400 watts with 4 watts drive.
AND it is biased for linear service.

73, Charlie k3ICH



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I've been very happy with a vintage RF Concepts 2-417. It's rated for 170W
out with 45W drive. However, I used it very successfully driving it from my
TH-F6A 5W HT. I never measured the output with that drive, but it was
clearly considerable. Also, the preamp is quite good. These are readily
available used, best guess is price around $175-250 for one in good condx.

73,
Josh W6XU


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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Bill Frantz
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I have a 2M amp about 80 watts from Edward R Cole, KL6UW. I
drive it with my 5W HT. It seems to work well, although I just
got it working a month or so ago and have been away most of the
time since. Note that Ed will set it up for the drive level you need.

Pluses: Solidly built. Automatic T/R switching, or by control wire.

Minuses: Little/no protective circuity. Class A so it draws a
lot of power with no input.

I built mine as a kit and it was a fun build. Since I was an
early adopter, I asked Ed a lot of questions and got very useful
support throughout the process.

73 Bill AE6JV

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>Does anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external amplifier?
>I am looking for any recommendations. I have looked at RM Italy LA-144
>and Mirage B-34-G. My intention is to use it with both FM and SSB. Does
>anyone have experience with one of these amplifiers?
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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Wes Stewart-2
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K6PF on the CADXA Yahoo group is advertising (among other things) .

TE Systems 1410-G for 2m.  Xlnt condx.  10W in / 160W out.  Will drive above
8877 HPA to legal limit pwr output with abt 7W.  Has built-in preamp.  Includes
manual & schematic. Asking $225.


On 7/28/2016 12:08 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote:
> Any of the older ones rated at less than 10 watt in and a linear version not Class C will be fine.  I have used the KLM, Mirage and TPL units with success on two meters with various rigs both FM and SSB.  There are quite a few on the used market, just make sure it still works as advertised for rated output.
>
> Good luck.
> Mel, K6KBE
> One of the founders of KLM Electronics

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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Josh Fiden
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Difficult to power, need a stiff supply that does 60A. Great amp but know what you're getting into.

73,
Josh W6XU

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> On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> My TE Systems 1452G amp puts out a tad under 400 watts with 4 watts drive.
> AND it is biased for linear service.
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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

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Ed, KL7UW, built me a nice 80w 2m amp for less than $400.  
http://www.kl7uw.com
 
Mike
 
 
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Does  anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external amplifier?
I am  looking for any recommendations. I have looked at RM Italy LA-144
and  Mirage B-34-G. My intention is to use it with both FM and SSB. Does
anyone  have experience with one of these amplifiers?
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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Robin Moseley-2
Get a Gemini SSPA    http://www.linamp.co.uk/gemini_2.html

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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Tim Tucker
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Not difficult to power, at all.  Just buy two of these 50 amp units and run
them in parallel.  I've personally tested these in my shack and they work
great.  No RF hash visible on the panadapter on any band that I run.  And
they're made right here in California:

http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/





On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 2:12 PM, Josh <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Difficult to power, need a stiff supply that does 60A. Great amp but know
> what you're getting into.
>
> 73,
> Josh W6XU
>
> Sent from my mobile device
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> > On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:58 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > My TE Systems 1452G amp puts out a tad under 400 watts with 4 watts
> drive.
> > AND it is biased for linear service.
> >
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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Jim Brown-10
On the recommendation of someone on this list, about a year ago I bought
one of the 350-12 units. It came with no documentation, and no
certification of compliance with anything. It is VERY NOISY, and nothing
I have tried has been able to make a dent in the noise.  Multiple chokes
on AC, multiple chokes on DC, and bypass caps on both AC and DC. It's
currently sitting on the shelf in my store room.

73, Jim K9YC

On Thu,7/28/2016 5:00 PM, Tim Tucker wrote:
> Not difficult to power, at all.  Just buy two of these 50 amp units and run
> them in parallel.  I've personally tested these in my shack and they work
> great.  No RF hash visible on the panadapter on any band that I run.  And
> they're made right here in California:
>
> http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/


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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Clay Autery
Thanks Jim...  I was going to try one of those to test the claims
made...  Even had someone offer to pay me my cost +$10 if I decided I
didn't want it after testing...

The business owner claims they are "quiet" and says there are
"counterfeits" being passed off as "his" power supplies.

Really would be nice to have a SMPS that was quiet, modular, and able to
be put in parallel for more power out...

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> On the recommendation of someone on this list, about a year ago I
> bought one of the 350-12 units. It came with no documentation, and no
> certification of compliance with anything. It is VERY NOISY, and
> nothing I have tried has been able to make a dent in the noise.
> Multiple chokes on AC, multiple chokes on DC, and bypass caps on both
> AC and DC. It's currently sitting on the shelf in my store room.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On Thu,7/28/2016 5:00 PM, Tim Tucker wrote:
>> Not difficult to power, at all.  Just buy two of these 50 amp units
>> and run
>> them in parallel.  I've personally tested these in my shack and they
>> work
>> great.  No RF hash visible on the panadapter on any band that I run.
>> And
>> they're made right here in California:
>>
>> http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/
>
>
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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Josh Fiden
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While I don't doubt that you're successfully using these, I previously
looked into these supplies and find the claim that they are made in
California to be highly questionable. At the least, I don't see where
the products are marked "Made in USA" nor does it say this anywhere that
I can find on their web site. They refer to copies as "offshore clones"
and so on, but no where do they refer to their own supplies as made
here. Selling 30A supplies for $50 full of hand inserted through hole
components, it seems frankly impossible that they are manufactured using
California labor.

If you have information to the contrary, please post as I'd love to be
wrong. Since we all own Elecraft gear, I'm guessing that many have the
same strong preference for USA made products that I do.

73,
Josh W6XU

On 7/28/2016 5:00 PM, Tim Tucker wrote:

> Not difficult to power, at all.  Just buy two of these 50 amp units and run
> them in parallel.  I've personally tested these in my shack and they work
> great.  No RF hash visible on the panadapter on any band that I run.  And
> they're made right here in California:
>
> http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/
>
>
>
>

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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Jim Cox
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Thanks Jim for the information.  I certainly don’t want one of them in my
shack.  Have used Astron PS for many years with excellent results, power and
RFI wise..
73s Jim K4JAF

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier

On the recommendation of someone on this list, about a year ago I bought
one of the 350-12 units. It came with no documentation, and no
certification of compliance with anything. It is VERY NOISY, and nothing
I have tried has been able to make a dent in the noise.  Multiple chokes
on AC, multiple chokes on DC, and bypass caps on both AC and DC. It's
currently sitting on the shelf in my store room.

73, Jim K9YC

On Thu,7/28/2016 5:00 PM, Tim Tucker wrote:
> Not difficult to power, at all.  Just buy two of these 50 amp units and
> run
> them in parallel.  I've personally tested these in my shack and they work
> great.  No RF hash visible on the panadapter on any band that I run.  And
> they're made right here in California:
>
> http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/


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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Tim Tucker
In reply to this post by Josh Fiden
You can call the owner and talk to him yourself and make your own
determination on where they're made.  He has his name, address, and email
address right there - email and ask for his phone number.  I know quite a
few people (including myself) that have purchased several of those power
supplies direct from him and have not had any problem with RFI.  I have
also purchased one of the chinese versions that look the same and threw it
out almost immediately because it was so bad.  If you bought one direct
from him that was noisy, I'd call him up and send it back for him to
replace to test out his advertised 2 year warranty.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Josh Fiden <[hidden email]> wrote:

> While I don't doubt that you're successfully using these, I previously
> looked into these supplies and find the claim that they are made in
> California to be highly questionable. At the least, I don't see where the
> products are marked "Made in USA" nor does it say this anywhere that I can
> find on their web site. They refer to copies as "offshore clones" and so
> on, but no where do they refer to their own supplies as made here. Selling
> 30A supplies for $50 full of hand inserted through hole components, it
> seems frankly impossible that they are manufactured using California labor.
>
> If you have information to the contrary, please post as I'd love to be
> wrong. Since we all own Elecraft gear, I'm guessing that many have the same
> strong preference for USA made products that I do.
>
> 73,
> Josh W6XU
>
> On 7/28/2016 5:00 PM, Tim Tucker wrote:
>
>> Not difficult to power, at all.  Just buy two of these 50 amp units and
>> run
>> them in parallel.  I've personally tested these in my shack and they work
>> great.  No RF hash visible on the panadapter on any band that I run.  And
>> they're made right here in California:
>>
>> http://www.12voltpowersupplies.us/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

Edward R Cole
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Thanks to Mike and Bill for buying my 2M80 amps (assembled or partial
kit).  I built twelve amps so far and most were to be driven by KX3's
with 2M module.  I set nearly all amps to be driven by 1.5-2.0w so
the KX3-2M would not have to run full power.  The 80w RF module that
is used is not in production so now limited quantities available
(from RFParts).  I have identified a replacement power module which
should run 60-70w.

But there are quite few surplus 2m linear amps available.  Mirage, TE
Systems, and RFConcepts.  I have a RFC 2-23 linear which runs 2w/30w
and RFC 3-17 linear which runs 40w/170w.  I have three 2m sources: an
old FT736R (30w), DEMI 28-144 HP (50w) and the KX3-2M which not up to
stuff running only 1.5w.  I use either the RFC 2-23 or a surplus MOT
amp that runs 1w/60w (FM) with my KX3-2M.

I am not taking orders for a couple months as I am working on some of
my own projects while summer wx is still here:
6m 1kW amp and possibly building a new 18x26 foot ham shack which
will require running all new cables to my four towers and dish.  Take
a look at the amps here: http://www.kl7uw.com/kits.htm

73, Ed
--------------------------------------

Ed, KL7UW, built me a nice 80w 2m amp for less than $400.
http://www.kl7uw.com

Mike


In a message dated 7/28/2016 12:54:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Does  anyone use a KX3 + internal 2m transverter with an external amplifier?
I am  looking for any recommendations. I have looked at RM Italy LA-144
and  Mirage B-34-G. My intention is to use it with both FM and SSB. Does
anyone  have experience with one of these amplifiers?
--
73, Dirk  SA4DHT



73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: KX3 2m external amplifier

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All of the Mirage amplifiers called linear were just that.  Only special order FM repeater amplifiers could be Class C.
Mel, K6KBE


      From: Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]>
 To: [hidden email]
 Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 10:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 2m external amplifier
   
Are those capable of linear operation for SSB as the poster asked? The ones
I had back then were non-linear (class C) strictly for FM/CW only.

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----

Several years ago, we searched for and acquired vintage (30 year old) brick
amps that drive with either 2W or 10W for an output of about 150W.
They have built-in preamps. These vintage amps were made during the 70s and
80s with the Mirage and RF Concepts name, and were built in Northern
California. They also made versions of these amps that required higher drive
levels -- 30W and 50W, I think, and they also made versions for
440 MHz. I own some of those too, which I use with the FM rig in my shack.
The Mirage name was later bought by MFJ. We found four of these vintage amps
in good condition in a few days simply by asking on two local club
reflectors. I don't remember what we paid, but I do know that we considered
them a bargain. :)

Those older amps are a great fit to an Elecraft rig with an Elecraft
transverter. We use the version that drives with 2W so that we can run the
transverter at the lowest possible power, thus reducing heat.

73, Jim K9YC


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