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KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

I wonder if it would be too difficult to emulate a bug with the KX3
keyer. Something similar to what K1EL does with his K14 keyers (and
possibly the WinKeyer). That way, those of us who are SKCC members can
take our paddles and use them to emulate a bug when out in the field
without having to carry an extra box (a K14 keyer).

Maybe this was already mentioned here and I missed it. If so, sorry for
bringing it up again.

73,
Joel - W4JBB
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EricJ-2

Re: KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

Wouldn't that sort of defeat the idea of a straight key club which is to
encourage using a straight key not pretending to use one?

Eric
KE6US
SKCC 86

On 10/20/2013 4:56 PM, Joel Black wrote:

> I wonder if it would be too difficult to emulate a bug with the KX3
> keyer. Something similar to what K1EL does with his K14 keyers (and
> possibly the WinKeyer). That way, those of us who are SKCC members
> can take our paddles and use them to emulate a bug when out in the
> field without having to carry an extra box (a K14 keyer).
>
> Maybe this was already mentioned here and I missed it. If so, sorry
> for bringing it up again.
>
> 73,
> Joel - W4JBB
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

I have never found electronic "bug modes" to be satisfactory for me.
With a mechanical bug, there is positive feedback to the keying that is
important to me - that is entirely missing from an electronic keyer set
to bug mode. It may be my shortcoming, but I just cannot get the hang
of it.

BTW, because of habits I formed with a bug, I cannot do Iambic keying
with dual lever paddles either. If I were to request an additional K3
keying mode, it would be Ultimatic - that makes sense to me for dual
levers, but all my paddles are single lever now, so it does not make a
big difference.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/20/2013 10:37 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

> Good point, but I have found that a lot of SKCC members enjoy using their
> bugs *instead* of a 'straight key', so I can understand the interest.
>
> SKCC might better be called the MKCC for Manual Key Century Club.
>
> I have run into a lot of bugs on "Straight Key Night" sponsored by the ARRL
> too.
>
> 73 Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of EricJ
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 5:21 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request
>
> Wouldn't that sort of defeat the idea of a straight key club which is to
> encourage using a straight key not pretending to use one?
>
> Eric
> KE6US
> SKCC 86
>
> On 10/20/2013 4:56 PM, Joel Black wrote:
>> I wonder if it would be too difficult to emulate a bug with the KX3
>> keyer. Something similar to what K1EL does with his K14 keyers (and
>> possibly the WinKeyer). That way, those of us who are SKCC members
>> can take our paddles and use them to emulate a bug when out in the
>> field without having to carry an extra box (a K14 keyer).
>>
>> Maybe this was already mentioned here and I missed it. If so, sorry
>> for bringing it up again.
>>
>> 73,
>> Joel - W4JBB
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k6dgw

Re: KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

On 10/20/2013 8:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I have never found electronic "bug modes" to be satisfactory for me.
> With a mechanical bug, there is positive feedback to the keying that is
> important to me - that is entirely missing from an electronic keyer set
> to bug mode. It may be my shortcoming, but I just cannot get the hang
> of it.

I built my first electronic keyer in 1956 ... ~10 dual triodes, weighed
about a brick. Self-completing elements but that was it. Reworked my
Lionel J-36 to bring out both left and right, and lost my "bug fist"
almost overnight. Never got it back and I've never gotten to the iambic
thing either.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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EricJ-2

Re: KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

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But he wouldn't be using a bug. He'd be using the electronic keyer in
the KX3. Dots would be electronically generated even if dashes weren't.

Straight keys, bugs and cooties (I use all three) explicitly meet the
SKCC rules because they are mechanical keys. An electronic keyer
probably isn't appropriate even if only one side of it is used.

I wonder how another SKCC member working him would feel about the
contact. It doesn't matter to me. I give out my number and often listen
on the calling frequencies, but don't really pursue their awards or
anything, and don't log the numbers for myself.

Eric
KE6US
SKCC 86

On 10/20/2013 7:37 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

Frank Precissi

Re: KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request

My IC746PRO has a "Bug Mode" where it would emulate a bug using physical
paddles.

Its sorta neat to play with, but as others have said, using paddles to
emulate a bug makes my brain wonky since I go by feel (even at my 10wpm).

An option would be nice for both the K3 and KX3 since it makes the rig more
versatile, but I'd only end up using it if my itching to send with a bug
outweigh my motivation to dig the physical bug out and hook it up.

Frank
KG6EYC

On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I agree with you and Don. My previous interest in a "bug mode" was that
> when
> I'm not in a position to use my real bug, I'd like to have a keyer that
> did
> not make automatic dashes just so I don't lose my bug rhythm.
>
> After a few decades of using an Iambic keyer before returning to my old
> mechanical bug I found that a few minutes on a keyer had me reverting to
> keyer mode in my head, which messed up my bug fist very badly.
>
> I just wanted to avoid that.
>
> But, instead, I've given up and drug out the Scotia paddles again - unless
> I'm on my hand pump (real straight key).
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of EricJ
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:04 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request
>
> But he wouldn't be using a bug. He'd be using the electronic keyer in the
> KX3. Dots would be electronically generated even if dashes weren't.
>
> Straight keys, bugs and cooties (I use all three) explicitly meet the SKCC
> rules because they are mechanical keys. An electronic keyer probably isn't
> appropriate even if only one side of it is used.
>
> I wonder how another SKCC member working him would feel about the contact.
> It doesn't matter to me. I give out my number and often listen on the
> calling frequencies, but don't really pursue their awards or anything, and
> don't log the numbers for myself.
>
> Eric
> KE6US
> SKCC 86
>
> On 10/20/2013 7:37 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> > Good point, but I have found that a lot of SKCC members enjoy using
> > their bugs *instead* of a 'straight key', so I can understand the
> interest.
> >
> > SKCC might better be called the MKCC for Manual Key Century Club.
> >
> > I have run into a lot of bugs on "Straight Key Night" sponsored by the
> > ARRL too.
> >
> > 73 Ron AC7AC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of EricJ
> > Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 5:21 PM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Keyer Possible Feature Request
> >
> > Wouldn't that sort of defeat the idea of a straight key club which is
> > to encourage using a straight key not pretending to use one?
> >
> > Eric
> > KE6US
> > SKCC 86
> >
>
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