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Ralph Parker

KX3: Paddles

One of the things that impressed me a lot about the KX1 was the 45 degree
mounting of the paddles - VERY practical!
I see the KX3 pictured with 90 degree paddles, equally hard to use on a
table regardless of your 'handedness'.
But then, it IS only a prototype, isn't it?

Ralph, VE7XF

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wayne burdick

Re: KX3: Paddles

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The rig itself can be rotated just slightly to position the paddle appropriately (about 15 degrees to the left for a right-handed operator). In practice this works so well that we're sticking with 90 degrees for now. An angled paddle could also be designed if there were demand for it. There were no complaints among testers at Dayton, and I've been using it like this for a week.

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On May 23, 2011, at 2:58 PM, Ralph Parker <[hidden email]> wrote:

> One of the things that impressed me a lot about the KX1 was the 45 degree
> mounting of the paddles - VERY practical!
> I see the KX3 pictured with 90 degree paddles, equally hard to use on a
> table regardless of your 'handedness'.
> But then, it IS only a prototype, isn't it?
>
> Ralph, VE7XF
>
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David Cutter

Re: KX3: Paddles

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I agree. I prefer my arm to lie at 90 to the table and my wrist and fingers
to follow in a straight line for minimum stress, maximum comfort to the
paddle. Rotating the rig 15 would help a lot. But I have another problem
which is that I often operate the tune with my left hand while my right
stays put on the paddle, so, with this arrangement, my left hand has to be
held up and across me, which I think I would find uncomfortable quite
quickly. I don't think it's a deal breaker and the panadaptor idea on a
netbook is definitely a deal maker.

David
G3UNA

> One of the things that impressed me a lot about the KX1 was the 45 degree
> mounting of the paddles - VERY practical!
> I see the KX3 pictured with 90 degree paddles, equally hard to use on a
> table regardless of your 'handedness'.
> But then, it IS only a prototype, isn't it?
>
> Ralph, VE7XF
>
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wayne burdick

Re: KX3: Paddles

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Note that the KX3 also has a jack for a keyer/paddle/handkey/etc. of
your choice. It can be used simultaneously with the attached paddle,
too.

Wayne
N6KR

On May 23, 2011, at 9:31 PM, David Cutter wrote:

> I agree. I prefer my arm to lie at 90 to the table and my wrist and
> fingers
> to follow in a straight line for minimum stress, maximum comfort to
> the
> paddle. Rotating the rig 15 would help a lot. But I have another
> problem
> which is that I often operate the tune with my left hand while my
> right
> stays put on the paddle, so, with this arrangement, my left hand has
> to be
> held up and across me, which I think I would find uncomfortable quite
> quickly. I don't think it's a deal breaker and the panadaptor idea
> on a
> netbook is definitely a deal maker.
>
> David
> G3UNA
>
>
>> One of the things that impressed me a lot about the KX1 was the 45
>> degree
>> mounting of the paddles - VERY practical!
>> I see the KX3 pictured with 90 degree paddles, equally hard to use
>> on a
>> table regardless of your 'handedness'.
>> But then, it IS only a prototype, isn't it?
>>
>> Ralph, VE7XF
>>
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David Cutter

Re: KX3: Paddles

The great thing about being part of the rig is that the weight of the rig
holds the paddle down, keeping the overall weight of the portable station
down by quite a lot. My paddle is quite heavy. I once fitted a paddle
inside a Norcal 20 just because my usual paddle weighed more than the rig!

David
G3UNA

> Note that the KX3 also has a jack for a keyer/paddle/handkey/etc. of your
> choice. It can be used simultaneously with the attached paddle, too.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> On May 23, 2011, at 9:31 PM, David Cutter wrote:
>
>> I agree. I prefer my arm to lie at 90 to the table and my wrist and
>> fingers
>> to follow in a straight line for minimum stress, maximum comfort to the
>> paddle. Rotating the rig 15 would help a lot. But I have another
>> problem
>> which is that I often operate the tune with my left hand while my right
>> stays put on the paddle, so, with this arrangement, my left hand has to
>> be
>> held up and across me, which I think I would find uncomfortable quite
>> quickly. I don't think it's a deal breaker and the panadaptor idea on a
>> netbook is definitely a deal maker.
>>
>> David
>> G3UNA
>>
>>

k.igor

Re: KX3: Paddles

In reply to this post by David Cutter

I assume this is not out of realm of possibility to design paddles that can
rotate and click in three positions: 45 degrees to the right, 90 degrees and
45 degrees to the left. There is still about one left handed for every 10
right handed on this planet!
It also make sense to make them de-touchable to reduce risk of breaking when
the unit is transported.
73,
Igor, N1YX

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Paddles

I agree. I prefer my arm to lie at 90 to the table and my wrist and fingers

to follow in a straight line for minimum stress, maximum comfort to the
paddle. Rotating the rig 15 would help a lot. But I have another problem
which is that I often operate the tune with my left hand while my right
stays put on the paddle, so, with this arrangement, my left hand has to be
held up and across me, which I think I would find uncomfortable quite
quickly. I don't think it's a deal breaker and the panadaptor idea on a
netbook is definitely a deal maker.

David
G3UNA

> One of the things that impressed me a lot about the KX1 was the 45 degree
> mounting of the paddles - VERY practical!
> I see the KX3 pictured with 90 degree paddles, equally hard to use on a
> table regardless of your 'handedness'.
> But then, it IS only a prototype, isn't it?
>
> Ralph, VE7XF
>
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wayne burdick

Re: KX3: Paddles

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They are detachable.

They could be designed to flip left or right, but it would be very
difficult to make one that has three detented positions. It's
complicated by the angle of the unit when the tilt feet are deployed.

Wayne

On May 23, 2011, at 10:16 PM, Igor Kosvin wrote:

> I assume this is not out of realm of possibility to design paddles
> that can
> rotate and click in three positions: 45 degrees to the right, 90
> degrees and
> 45 degrees to the left. There is still about one left handed for
> every 10
> right handed on this planet!
> It also make sense to make them de-touchable to reduce risk of
> breaking when
> the unit is transported.
> 73,
> Igor, N1YX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Cutter
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:31 AM
> To: [hidden email]; Ralph Parker
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Paddles
>
> I agree. I prefer my arm to lie at 90 to the table and my wrist and
> fingers
>
> to follow in a straight line for minimum stress, maximum comfort to
> the
> paddle. Rotating the rig 15 would help a lot. But I have another
> problem
> which is that I often operate the tune with my left hand while my
> right
> stays put on the paddle, so, with this arrangement, my left hand has
> to be
> held up and across me, which I think I would find uncomfortable quite
> quickly. I don't think it's a deal breaker and the panadaptor idea
> on a
> netbook is definitely a deal maker.
>
> David
> G3UNA
>
>
>> One of the things that impressed me a lot about the KX1 was the 45
>> degree
>> mounting of the paddles - VERY practical!
>> I see the KX3 pictured with 90 degree paddles, equally hard to use
>> on a
>> table regardless of your 'handedness'.
>> But then, it IS only a prototype, isn't it?
>>
>> Ralph, VE7XF
>>
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Alan Bloom

Re: KX3: Paddles

In reply to this post by David Cutter

Another possibility is to use a light-weight paddle mounted on a plate
that your sending hand rests on. http://n1al.net/ham/paddle.htm The
weight of your hand keeps it from moving.

Al N1AL

On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 05:52 +0100, David Cutter wrote:

> The great thing about being part of the rig is that the weight of the rig
> holds the paddle down, keeping the overall weight of the portable station
> down by quite a lot. My paddle is quite heavy. I once fitted a paddle
> inside a Norcal 20 just because my usual paddle weighed more than the rig!
>
> David
> G3UNA
>
>
>
> > Note that the KX3 also has a jack for a keyer/paddle/handkey/etc. of your
> > choice. It can be used simultaneously with the attached paddle, too.
> >
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> > On May 23, 2011, at 9:31 PM, David Cutter wrote:
> >
> >> I agree. I prefer my arm to lie at 90 to the table and my wrist and
> >> fingers
> >> to follow in a straight line for minimum stress, maximum comfort to the
> >> paddle. Rotating the rig 15 would help a lot. But I have another
> >> problem
> >> which is that I often operate the tune with my left hand while my right
> >> stays put on the paddle, so, with this arrangement, my left hand has to
> >> be
> >> held up and across me, which I think I would find uncomfortable quite
> >> quickly. I don't think it's a deal breaker and the panadaptor idea on a
> >> netbook is definitely a deal maker.
> >>
> >> David
> >> G3UNA
> >>
> >>
>
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Guy, K2AV

Re: KX3: Paddles

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

How about a top that is fastened to different drilled screw holes on a
base mounting. The operator uses the screw holes that suit the angle
desired. Not so difficult as a detent.

73, Guy.

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 1:21 AM, Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:

> They are detachable.
>
> They could be designed to flip left or right, but it would be very
> difficult to make one that has three detented positions. It's
> complicated by the angle of the unit when the tilt feet are deployed.
>
> Wayne
>
> On May 23, 2011, at 10:16 PM, Igor Kosvin wrote:
>
>> I assume this is not out of realm of possibility to design paddles
>> that can
>> rotate and click in three positions: 45 degrees to the right, 90
>> degrees and
>> 45 degrees to the left. There is still about one left handed for
>> every 10
>> right handed on this planet!
>> It also make sense to make them de-touchable to reduce risk of
>> breaking when
>> the unit is transported.
>> 73,
>> Igor, N1YX
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Cutter
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:31 AM
>> To: [hidden email]; Ralph Parker
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3: Paddles
>>
>> I agree. I prefer my arm to lie at 90 to the table and my wrist and
>> fingers
>>
>> to follow in a straight line for minimum stress, maximum comfort to
>> the
>> paddle. Rotating the rig 15 would help a lot. But I have another
>> problem
>> which is that I often operate the tune with my left hand while my
>> right
>> stays put on the paddle, so, with this arrangement, my left hand has
>> to be
>> held up and across me, which I think I would find uncomfortable quite
>> quickly. I don't think it's a deal breaker and the panadaptor idea
>> on a
>> netbook is definitely a deal maker.
>>
>> David
>> G3UNA
>>
>>
>>> One of the things that impressed me a lot about the KX1 was the 45
>>> degree
>>> mounting of the paddles - VERY practical!
>>> I see the KX3 pictured with 90 degree paddles, equally hard to use
>>> on a
>>> table regardless of your 'handedness'.
>>> But then, it IS only a prototype, isn't it?
>>>
>>> Ralph, VE7XF
>>>
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gm3sek

Re: KX3: Paddles

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

Wayne Burdick wrote:
>Note that the KX3 also has a jack for a keyer/paddle/handkey/etc. of
>your choice. It can be used simultaneously with the attached paddle,
>too.
>

Will the KX3 development phase be an opportunity to add more facilities
to the keyer firmware, and feed them back into the K3 as well?

Compared to all the other facilities of the K3, the internal keyer
remains rather ordinary. Even a $6 K1EL chip has *many* more options.
Keying is very much a personal preference, and some operators would like
to use other modes besides Curtis A and B without being forced to use an
external keyer (and lose the facility to send RTTY and data from the
paddle).

I'm not suggesting cloning the entire feature set of an external keyer,
but the K1EL keyers would be a good roadmap for enhancements.

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Phil Salas

Re: KX3: Paddles

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Here's how I do it with a Palm Paddle for portable operations:
www.ad5x.com/images/Articles/PalmBase.pdf

"Another possibility is to use a light-weight paddle mounted on a plate
that your sending hand rests on. http://n1al.net/ham/paddle.htm The
weight of your hand keeps it from moving. Al N1AL"
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oe9fwv

Re: KX3: Paddles

Phil & Debbie Salas schrieb am 24 May 2011 um 6:40:

> Here's how I do it with a Palm Paddle for portable operations:
> www.ad5x.com/images/Articles/PalmBase.pdf

I have built the Palmradio IR receiver into the K3 for wireless operation.
http://www.oe9fwv.shacknet.nu/oe9fwv/K3/Palmpaddle_K3.pdf

description is in german, but with many pictures.

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M0XDF

Re: KX3: Paddles

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I would certainly like to see Ultramatic
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On 24 May 2011, at 11:12, Ian White GM3SEK wrote:

> Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Note that the KX3 also has a jack for a keyer/paddle/handkey/etc. of
>> your choice. It can be used simultaneously with the attached paddle,
>> too.
>>
>
> Will the KX3 development phase be an opportunity to add more facilities
> to the keyer firmware, and feed them back into the K3 as well?
>
> Compared to all the other facilities of the K3, the internal keyer
> remains rather ordinary. Even a $6 K1EL chip has *many* more options.
> Keying is very much a personal preference, and some operators would like
> to use other modes besides Curtis A and B without being forced to use an
> external keyer (and lose the facility to send RTTY and data from the
> paddle).
>
> I'm not suggesting cloning the entire feature set of an external keyer,
> but the K1EL keyers would be a good roadmap for enhancements.

oe9fwv

Re: KX3: Paddles

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sorry for the typo.
the www was to much
http://oe9fwv.shacknet.nu/oe9fwv/K3/Palmpaddle_K3.pdf

Pierfrancesco Caci schrieb am 24 May 2011 um 21:49:

> >>>>> "Werner" == Werner Furlan <[hidden email]> writes:
>
> Werner> http://oe9fwv.shacknet.nu/oe9fwv/K3/Palmpaddle_K3.pdf
>
> the link doesn't work :(
>
>
> --
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>

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