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Martin Theodor Grewe

KX3 (SN01674) and CW in SSB - Feature request

Hi Elecraft,

and also a "high five" to David - met you on "HAM radio 2017" at QRP
project!!
Thanks for your time and the nice discussion.

Now my very special problem I try to post to the "masses" to explain
how to improve transverter work at frequencies from 23cm up to 1.5cm with
KX3.
Hopefully other OMs might have similar problems or requests.

In 2012 I ordered the KX3 - was not aware of its "nifty gifty" features -
just would like
to do shortwave and some, when available, 2m repeater work also.

in 2013 I joined the VHF-contest station "DL0LN" here in germany an its a
pleasure to
work with all the SHF guys and equipment. All transverters in these days
worked "on its own".
You have to have change cables, use one IC 202, next band another IC 202
etc.
This was a bit too much "overhead" for me.

In december 2015 I could purchase a nice transverterbox, all included, it
needs only
146 MHz drive and only one antenna. So I tried to use my good old KX3 for
these bands @146 MHz.
And: Its working! All bands are stable (after temperature compensating the
LO, see application note).

One Contestmember, Oliver, DJ2QZ and I, DL1MTG, tried to do an optimization
and spend hours
to find and configure the best settings working for SSB and CW operating.

Well, one big finding was "doing CW in SSB mode" so called *C**W-IN-SSB*.
The frequency is at
SHF contest work extremly important - a small change in freq and the QSO is
lost. Therefore
it is a pleasure to call in SSB, station is answering in CW, very weak
signal: *C**W-IN-SSB *is possible.
And now the request: station did not get my call, I have to activate
Voice-Keyer again! But stop,
He can only read my CW signal - lets activate the CW-Keyer... ups, have to
change mode from SSB to
CW - to activate CW keyer: frequency lost!!! Station lost, no QSO!! To
explain further: I also now
the "SSB/CW VFO Offset" - but this is not helpful in "transverterbusiness".

I'd like to get something like "working in SSB", hear an answer in CW,
activate memory 3 or 4 which is only
used in "*C**W-IN-SSB", *to send a CQ-Call from memory 3 or an "QRZ QRZ
DL0LN DL0LN" from
memory 4 etc. in SSB - CW-IN-SSB oc.

Its a special case. Why is it necessary to mix up SSB and CW - this ist the
only case
I know at this time:-) Hopefully other stations have similar requests?

Kind regards,
Martin, DL1MTG / DL0LN
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Don Wilhelm

Re: KX3 (SN01674) and CW in SSB - Feature request

Martin,

The CW in SSB option already exists in the KX3. Turn to page 37 in the
manual and look at the CW WGHT menu description for how to turn it on
and off.
With it turned on, your CW will be transmitted when touching the paddles
even though the mode is in SSB. Your signal will be heard by the other
operator (listening in SSB mode) at whatever sidetone pitch you have set
in the KX3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/17/2017 3:14 PM, Martin Theodor Grewe wrote:

>
> Well, one big finding was "doing CW in SSB mode" so called *C**W-IN-SSB*.
> The frequency is at
> SHF contest work extremly important - a small change in freq and the QSO is
> lost. Therefore
> it is a pleasure to call in SSB, station is answering in CW, very weak
> signal: *C**W-IN-SSB *is possible.
> And now the request: station did not get my call, I have to activate
> Voice-Keyer again! But stop,
> He can only read my CW signal - lets activate the CW-Keyer... ups, have to
> change mode from SSB to
> CW - to activate CW keyer: frequency lost!!! Station lost, no QSO!! To
> explain further: I also now
> the "SSB/CW VFO Offset" - but this is not helpful in "transverterbusiness".
>
> I'd like to get something like "working in SSB", hear an answer in CW,
> activate memory 3 or 4 which is only
> used in "*C**W-IN-SSB", *to send a CQ-Call from memory 3 or an "QRZ QRZ
> DL0LN DL0LN" from
> memory 4 etc. in SSB - CW-IN-SSB oc.

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Martin Theodor Grewe

Re: KX3 (SN01674) and CW in SSB - Feature request

Hi Don,

thanks for your answer and Explanation. CW WGHT is known but not helpful
in this case.

I'll try to explan: CW WGHT is set to 800Hz. I'am operating in USB, using
CW-In-SSB. I can answer the station.
But station cannot read my signal, I try to answer with an stored CW Memory
because I am lazy. Now I have to
change mode from SSB to CW to get CW Memory ... and so on with the next
SSB-session answering a cw Station again.

This is, for my understanding, a bit too much: Change mode, activate cw
keyer etc.

Its easier to have "Extended CW memories" only for CW-IN-SSB in SSB-mode.

Kind regards,
73 de Martin, DL1MTG

2017-07-18 16:07 GMT+02:00 Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>:

> Martin,
>
> The CW in SSB option already exists in the KX3. Turn to page 37 in the
> manual and look at the CW WGHT menu description for how to turn it on and
> off.
> With it turned on, your CW will be transmitted when touching the paddles
> even though the mode is in SSB. Your signal will be heard by the other
> operator (listening in SSB mode) at whatever sidetone pitch you have set in
> the KX3.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/17/2017 3:14 PM, Martin Theodor Grewe wrote:
>
>
>> Well, one big finding was "doing CW in SSB mode" so called *C**W-IN-SSB*.
>> The frequency is at
>> SHF contest work extremly important - a small change in freq and the QSO
>> is
>> lost. Therefore
>> it is a pleasure to call in SSB, station is answering in CW, very weak
>> signal: *C**W-IN-SSB *is possible.
>> And now the request: station did not get my call, I have to activate
>> Voice-Keyer again! But stop,
>> He can only read my CW signal - lets activate the CW-Keyer... ups, have to
>> change mode from SSB to
>> CW - to activate CW keyer: frequency lost!!! Station lost, no QSO!! To
>> explain further: I also now
>> the "SSB/CW VFO Offset" - but this is not helpful in
>> "transverterbusiness".
>>
>> I'd like to get something like "working in SSB", hear an answer in CW,
>> activate memory 3 or 4 which is only
>> used in "*C**W-IN-SSB", *to send a CQ-Call from memory 3 or an "QRZ QRZ
>> DL0LN DL0LN" from
>> memory 4 etc. in SSB - CW-IN-SSB oc.
>>
>

Don Wilhelm

Re: KX3 (SN01674) and CW in SSB - Feature request

Martin,

Yes, the CW memories will not work well with CW in SSB.
Input from the paddles or hand key should work fine.

If you must use the CW memories, you must switch to CW mode and set the
frequency above or below the SSB frequency. Perhaps a macro could be
created to do that with one button push, and another to go back to SSB.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/27/2017 8:39 AM, Martin Theodor Grewe wrote:

> Hi Don,
>
> thanks for your answer and Explanation. CW WGHT is known but not
> helpful in this case.
>
> I'll try to explan: CW WGHT is set to 800Hz. I'am operating in USB,
> using CW-In-SSB. I can answer the station.
> But station cannot read my signal, I try to answer with an stored CW
> Memory because I am lazy. Now I have to
> change mode from SSB to CW to get CW Memory ... and so on with the
> next SSB-session answering a cw Station again.
>
> This is, for my understanding, a bit too much: Change mode, activate
> cw keyer etc.
>
> Its easier to have "Extended CW memories" only for CW-IN-SSB in SSB-mode.
>

Martin Theodor Grewe

Re: KX3 (SN01674) and CW in SSB - Feature request

Hi Don,

thanks for your answer and the idea to use macros.

At this time I use KX3 utility to setup a macro for testing.

E.g.:
Macro 2: CWINSSB DELAY;MD3;DELAY;DELAY;KS014;BW0240;SWT11;SWT19;MD2;
Starting mode: SSB: switch to CW, Keyer speed 14, bandwith 2.4kHz, Key MSG
and Key 1... then back to SSB.

Due to the "CW Text to send"-time the MD2 is ignored and I do not like to
set "random" DELAYs to get MD2 working, depending an keyer speed.
Any suggestions?

Kind regards,
73 de Martin, DL1MTG

2017-07-28 0:15 GMT+02:00 Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>:

> Martin,
>
> Yes, the CW memories will not work well with CW in SSB.
> Input from the paddles or hand key should work fine.
>
> If you must use the CW memories, you must switch to CW mode and set the
> frequency above or below the SSB frequency. Perhaps a macro could be
> created to do that with one button push, and another to go back to SSB.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 7/27/2017 8:39 AM, Martin Theodor Grewe wrote:
>
>> Hi Don,
>>
>> thanks for your answer and Explanation. CW WGHT is known but not helpful
>> in this case.
>>
>> I'll try to explan: CW WGHT is set to 800Hz. I'am operating in USB, using
>> CW-In-SSB. I can answer the station.
>> But station cannot read my signal, I try to answer with an stored CW
>> Memory because I am lazy. Now I have to
>> change mode from SSB to CW to get CW Memory ... and so on with the next
>> SSB-session answering a cw Station again.
>>
>> This is, for my understanding, a bit too much: Change mode, activate cw
>> keyer etc.
>>
>> Its easier to have "Extended CW memories" only for CW-IN-SSB in SSB-mode.
>>
>>
>

Martin Theodor Grewe

Re: KX3 (SN01674) and CW in SSB - Feature request

Hi @ll,

a final update to explain what can be done:

use macros and assign these to button PF1 and/or PF2:
PF1 - CWINSSB DELAY;MD3;KS014;BW0240;ML005;MG033;AG040;SWT11;SWT19;
PF2 - CLEANUP
DELAY;MD3;BW0240;ML005;MD2;DELAY;MN255;BW0240;ML001;NL0100;NB1;PA1;XT0;RT0;RA0;SQ0;SB0;LN0;LK0;AG040;BN16;DB05;

First: go to menu CW WGHT, tap PRE to "SSB +CW", tap CM;P to "VFO OFS".
PF1 means: you're in SSB-Mode, somebody is calling you in CW. PF1 switch to
CW, set CW keyer speed, bandwidth, monitor level, mic gain, send cw keyer 1
message
PF2 means: cleanup settings. CW bandwidth 2.4kHz, monitor level 5, mode
SSB, exit menue, bandwidth 2.4kHz, monitor level 1, NB on with level 1, PRE
on, XIT off, RIT off, ATT off,
squelch off, link vfo off, vfo lock off, audio level 40, go to 2m band,
display PA2 temp.

Thanks for the ideas and help.

73 de Martin, DL1MTG

2017-07-28 19:13 GMT+02:00 Martin Theodor Grewe <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Don,
>
> thanks for your answer and the idea to use macros.
>
> At this time I use KX3 utility to setup a macro for testing.
>
> E.g.:
> Macro 2: CWINSSB DELAY;MD3;DELAY;DELAY;KS014;BW0240;SWT11;SWT19;MD2;
> Starting mode: SSB: switch to CW, Keyer speed 14, bandwith 2.4kHz, Key MSG
> and Key 1... then back to SSB.
>
> Due to the "CW Text to send"-time the MD2 is ignored and I do not like to
> set "random" DELAYs to get MD2 working, depending an keyer speed.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Kind regards,
> 73 de Martin, DL1MTG
>
> 2017-07-28 0:15 GMT+02:00 Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>:
>
>> Martin,
>>
>> Yes, the CW memories will not work well with CW in SSB.
>> Input from the paddles or hand key should work fine.
>>
>> If you must use the CW memories, you must switch to CW mode and set the
>> frequency above or below the SSB frequency. Perhaps a macro could be
>> created to do that with one button push, and another to go back to SSB.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2017 8:39 AM, Martin Theodor Grewe wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Don,
>>>
>>> thanks for your answer and Explanation. CW WGHT is known but not
>>> helpful in this case.
>>>
>>> I'll try to explan: CW WGHT is set to 800Hz. I'am operating in USB,
>>> using CW-In-SSB. I can answer the station.
>>> But station cannot read my signal, I try to answer with an stored CW
>>> Memory because I am lazy. Now I have to
>>> change mode from SSB to CW to get CW Memory ... and so on with the next
>>> SSB-session answering a cw Station again.
>>>
>>> This is, for my understanding, a bit too much: Change mode, activate cw
>>> keyer etc.
>>>
>>> Its easier to have "Extended CW memories" only for CW-IN-SSB in SSB-mode.
>>>
>>>
>>
>