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Aaron Melton

KX3 Setup For Contesting?

[Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]

Hi all,

I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a joke... :D

I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's been an awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate in a few DX contests from time to time and this is currently my only HF rig. I know that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more often than not by higher power stations, but is like to know if anyone else has any tricks they'd like to share?

If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you do?

I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30 (which seems to provide the most power before detrimentally distorting my voice). I haven't touched this dial since week one.

I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't had much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well (or not) it might improve cutting through the noise.

I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?) might help as well?

Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call when contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that I'll be heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential treatment.

Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er) KX3 owner and wannabe contester?

Thanks!

Aaron
de KK4LOV
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ny4g

Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

From the looks of your call - you are a new ham. QRP contesting is always going to be challenging because of the at least 13.5 dB disadvantage in signal strength (everything else being equal). I assume you want to stay with QRP power at 5 watts. Here are the approaches I recommend.

(1) make sure you are getting al the signal out from your antenna system - replace lossy feedlines with low loss feedlines. One can easily find better feedlines on the internet - compare loss values per 100 ft in dB. I have a blog post (http://ny4g.blogspot.com/2013/05/where-does-all-that-rf-go-anyway-by-w7ci.html) where I regurgitated what W7CI said about RF highlighting the need for low loss feedlines.

(2) If you are using wire antenna - select a design which minimizes the work the internal tuner has to work.

(3) Pick your battles. QRP contesting is different from busting a DX pileup. QRP contesting is the domain of CW. You will do best as a contester in this mode. During contests there are going to be signals all over the band and Ops are not going to discriminate against you too much if you are in S&P mode in CW. Do not be too close to a louder station calling the same station as the stronger station will drown you out. Separate yourself enough - yet still in his passband so he can hear you. There can be a small pileup if a station calling CQ is a rare one is in international DX contests. It once took me an hour to call New Zealand (ZL) during the IARU HF Championship - but I needed ZL for DXCC QRP - so I hung in there. Good luck in SSB - this is the domain of amps and gain antenna systems. You can improve your chances with mic compression plus gain antennas.

(4) Get a gain antenna. Just because you are limited to 5 watts at the transmitter does not mean you cannot get gain at your antenna - some examples - a vertical near salt water along the coast, a hex beam gets you 6 dB (that is 4X power multiplier), a tribander or other higher gain antenna system may give you 9dB (8X power) although beams are limited to 20MHz or higher for something affordable. I built a hex beam from scratch for about $300.

(4) Don't use /QRP - it takes more time to send, identifies you as QRP, it takes more time to copy on the other end. Remember, the other station is also trying to maximize his QSO count.

(4) Practice, practice, practice, NAQCC and QRP-ARCI have monthly contests. QRP usually has power multipliers which is a recognition of the power disadvantage. ARRL Field Day gives you a 2 points per QSO for CW, and Digital and a power multiplier of 5.

(5) QRO stations are going to get more points than you. Your objective is to do as well as you can in the QRP category.

Patience, patience, patience. Nothing makes you a better radio op than learning to make the best use of the meager 5-10 watts of power. I have a friend who has a sign "Life is too short for QRP" but by the same token I can brag to him that I have DXCC-QRP and WAS-QRP which is a feat much more rewarding than getting DXCC and WAS the easy way.

Enjoy the hobby

Ariel NY4G

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:45 AM, "Aaron Melton" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> [Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a joke... :D
>
> I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's been an awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate in a few DX contests from time to time and this is currently my only HF rig. I know that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more often than not by higher power stations, but is like to know if anyone else has any tricks they'd like to share?
>
> If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you do?
>
> I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30 (which seems to provide the most power before detrimentally distorting my voice). I haven't touched this dial since week one.
>
> I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't had much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well (or not) it might improve cutting through the noise.
>
> I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?) might help as well?
>
> Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call when contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that I'll be heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential treatment.
>
> Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er) KX3 owner and wannabe contester?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Aaron
> de KK4LOV
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Fred Smith-2

Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

In reply to this post by Aaron Melton

Hi Aaron

For official QRP SSB it's 10w instead of 5w. I'm not a contester but do work
some of the contests looking for DX now mostly for my QRP DXCC. New
contracts for my regular DXCC are getting harder to come by and have been
fewer and far between so QRP just made sense.

When I'm trying to work a new contact I do append my call with a QRP many
times I'm covered up by presentence pay off. Usually they will finally
notice and you will hear a standby for the QRP station. Don't be surprised
if a ORO station jumps in front of you it happens, just hang in the DX will
know the difference.

Do I get them all no but that is why QRP is fun and SSB are the hardest
contacts to make. CW and digital are the easiest way to work QRP that's why
they are limited to 5w and not 10w like SSB. Good luck and enjoy you may not
make the most contacts or the highest score but you will have fun.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ
K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aaron Melton
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:44 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?

[Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]

Hi all,

I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a joke...
:D

I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's been an
awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate in a few DX
contests from time to time and this is currently my only HF rig. I know
that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more often than not by higher
power stations, but is like to know if anyone else has any tricks they'd
like to share?

If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you do?

I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30 (which
seems to provide the most power before detrimentally distorting my voice). I
haven't touched this dial since week one.

I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't had
much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well (or not)
it might improve cutting through the noise.

I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?) might help
as well?

Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call when
contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that I'll be
heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential treatment.

Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er) KX3
owner and wannabe contester?

Thanks!

Aaron
de KK4LOV
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ny4g

Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

The 10w transmitter output for SSB is not a hard and fast rule. Read the rules applicable to the contest. ARRL states explicitly in the rules for field day - to get the 5X multiplier, transmitter output has to be no more than 5 watts.

Ariel NY4G

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:46 AM, "Fred Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Aaron
>
> For official QRP SSB it's 10w instead of 5w. I'm not a contester but do work
> some of the contests looking for DX now mostly for my QRP DXCC. New
> contracts for my regular DXCC are getting harder to come by and have been
> fewer and far between so QRP just made sense.
>
> When I'm trying to work a new contact I do append my call with a QRP many
> times I'm covered up by presentence pay off. Usually they will finally
> notice and you will hear a standby for the QRP station. Don't be surprised
> if a ORO station jumps in front of you it happens, just hang in the DX will
> know the difference.
>
> Do I get them all no but that is why QRP is fun and SSB are the hardest
> contacts to make. CW and digital are the easiest way to work QRP that's why
> they are limited to 5w and not 10w like SSB. Good luck and enjoy you may not
> make the most contacts or the highest score but you will have fun.
>
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ
> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aaron Melton
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:44 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>
> [Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a joke...
> :D
>
> I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's been an
> awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate in a few DX
> contests from time to time and this is currently my only HF rig. I know
> that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more often than not by higher
> power stations, but is like to know if anyone else has any tricks they'd
> like to share?
>
> If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you do?
>
> I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30 (which
> seems to provide the most power before detrimentally distorting my voice). I
> haven't touched this dial since week one.
>
> I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't had
> much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well (or not)
> it might improve cutting through the noise.
>
> I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?) might help
> as well?
>
> Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call when
> contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that I'll be
> heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential treatment.
>
> Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er) KX3
> owner and wannabe contester?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Aaron
> de KK4LOV
> ______________________________________________________________
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Cady, Fred

Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

In reply to this post by Fred Smith-2

Hate to rain on the /qrp parade, but when I've operated on the DX side, and particularly during a contest, believe me, I'm looking to work stations as fast as possible. So that means that the station that catches my ear, be it the loudest, or most in the clear, or on the right frequency at the right pitch, or just timed correctly gets the response. Adding /qrp doesn't' help (for me to pick your call out). In fact, it's pretty annoying to have to wait through the unnecessary /qrp once I've zeroed in on your call. And it's really, really annoying when stations just send qrp qrp without their call. That's a bit like "last two". Yuck. Send your call at the right time on the right frequency and you'll get through.
My $0.02 worth and probably valid only for me.

Cheers,
Fred KE7X

Fred Cady
"The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration, and Operation 2nd Ed"
"The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the Summit"
www.ke7x.com
www.lulu.com (20% discount code is JULYBOOKS13)
fcady at ieee dot org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fred Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:46 AM
> To: 'Aaron Melton'; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>
> Hi Aaron
>
> For official QRP SSB it's 10w instead of 5w. I'm not a contester but do
> work
> some of the contests looking for DX now mostly for my QRP DXCC. New
> contracts for my regular DXCC are getting harder to come by and have
> been
> fewer and far between so QRP just made sense.
>
> When I'm trying to work a new contact I do append my call with a QRP
> many
> times I'm covered up by presentence pay off. Usually they will finally
> notice and you will hear a standby for the QRP station. Don't be
> surprised
> if a ORO station jumps in front of you it happens, just hang in the DX
> will
> know the difference.
>
> Do I get them all no but that is why QRP is fun and SSB are the hardest
> contacts to make. CW and digital are the easiest way to work QRP that's
> why
> they are limited to 5w and not 10w like SSB. Good luck and enjoy you
> may not
> make the most contacts or the highest score but you will have fun.
>
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ
> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aaron Melton
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:44 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>
> [Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a
> joke...
> :D
>
> I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's been
> an
> awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate in a few
> DX
> contests from time to time and this is currently my only HF rig. I
> know
> that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more often than not by
> higher
> power stations, but is like to know if anyone else has any tricks
> they'd
> like to share?
>
> If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you
> do?
>
> I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30
> (which
> seems to provide the most power before detrimentally distorting my
> voice). I
> haven't touched this dial since week one.
>
> I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't
> had
> much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well (or
> not)
> it might improve cutting through the noise.
>
> I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?) might
> help
> as well?
>
> Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call when
> contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that I'll be
> heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential treatment.
>
> Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er) KX3
> owner and wannabe contester?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Aaron
> de KK4LOV
> ______________________________________________________________
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ny4g

Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

I would listen to Fred - he wrote the book (quite literally) on the KX3 ..... :-) my answer to the post says the same.

Ariel NY4G

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "Cady, Fred" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hate to rain on the /qrp parade, but when I've operated on the DX side, and particularly during a contest, believe me, I'm looking to work stations as fast as possible. So that means that the station that catches my ear, be it the loudest, or most in the clear, or on the right frequency at the right pitch, or just timed correctly gets the response. Adding /qrp doesn't' help (for me to pick your call out). In fact, it's pretty annoying to have to wait through the unnecessary /qrp once I've zeroed in on your call. And it's really, really annoying when stations just send qrp qrp without their call. That's a bit like "last two". Yuck. Send your call at the right time on the right frequency and you'll get through.
> My $0.02 worth and probably valid only for me.
>
> Cheers,
> Fred KE7X
>
> Fred Cady
> "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration, and Operation 2nd Ed"
> "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the Summit"
> www.ke7x.com
> www.lulu.com (20% discount code is JULYBOOKS13)
> fcady at ieee dot org
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
>> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fred Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:46 AM
>> To: 'Aaron Melton'; [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>>
>> Hi Aaron
>>
>> For official QRP SSB it's 10w instead of 5w. I'm not a contester but do
>> work
>> some of the contests looking for DX now mostly for my QRP DXCC. New
>> contracts for my regular DXCC are getting harder to come by and have
>> been
>> fewer and far between so QRP just made sense.
>>
>> When I'm trying to work a new contact I do append my call with a QRP
>> many
>> times I'm covered up by presentence pay off. Usually they will finally
>> notice and you will hear a standby for the QRP station. Don't be
>> surprised
>> if a ORO station jumps in front of you it happens, just hang in the DX
>> will
>> know the difference.
>>
>> Do I get them all no but that is why QRP is fun and SSB are the hardest
>> contacts to make. CW and digital are the easiest way to work QRP that's
>> why
>> they are limited to 5w and not 10w like SSB. Good luck and enjoy you
>> may not
>> make the most contacts or the highest score but you will have fun.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred/N0AZZ
>> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
>> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aaron Melton
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:44 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>>
>> [Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a
>> joke...
>> :D
>>
>> I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's been
>> an
>> awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate in a few
>> DX
>> contests from time to time and this is currently my only HF rig. I
>> know
>> that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more often than not by
>> higher
>> power stations, but is like to know if anyone else has any tricks
>> they'd
>> like to share?
>>
>> If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you
>> do?
>>
>> I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30
>> (which
>> seems to provide the most power before detrimentally distorting my
>> voice). I
>> haven't touched this dial since week one.
>>
>> I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't
>> had
>> much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well (or
>> not)
>> it might improve cutting through the noise.
>>
>> I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?) might
>> help
>> as well?
>>
>> Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call when
>> contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that I'll be
>> heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential treatment.
>>
>> Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er) KX3
>> owner and wannabe contester?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Aaron
>> de KK4LOV
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:[hidden email]
>>
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>> -----
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>> 07/01/13
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Fred Smith-2

Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

In reply to this post by ny4g

I guess I never counted Field Day as a contest 8>)

73,
Fred/N0AZZ
K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2

-----Original Message-----
From: Ariel Jacala [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 7:52 AM
To: Fred Smith
Cc: Aaron Melton; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?

The 10w transmitter output for SSB is not a hard and fast rule. Read the
rules applicable to the contest. ARRL states explicitly in the rules for
field day - to get the 5X multiplier, transmitter output has to be no more
than 5 watts.

Ariel NY4G

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:46 AM, "Fred Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Aaron
>
> For official QRP SSB it's 10w instead of 5w. I'm not a contester but
> do work some of the contests looking for DX now mostly for my QRP
> DXCC. New contracts for my regular DXCC are getting harder to come by
> and have been fewer and far between so QRP just made sense.
>
> When I'm trying to work a new contact I do append my call with a QRP
> many times I'm covered up by presentence pay off. Usually they will
> finally notice and you will hear a standby for the QRP station. Don't
> be surprised if a ORO station jumps in front of you it happens, just
> hang in the DX will know the difference.
>
> Do I get them all no but that is why QRP is fun and SSB are the
> hardest contacts to make. CW and digital are the easiest way to work
> QRP that's why they are limited to 5w and not 10w like SSB. Good luck
> and enjoy you may not make the most contacts or the highest score but you

will have fun.

>
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ
> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aaron Melton
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:44 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>
> [Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a

joke...

> :D
>
> I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's
> been an awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate
> in a few DX contests from time to time and this is currently my only
> HF rig. I know that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more
> often than not by higher power stations, but is like to know if anyone
> else has any tricks they'd like to share?
>
> If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you do?
>
> I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30
> (which seems to provide the most power before detrimentally distorting
> my voice). I haven't touched this dial since week one.
>
> I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't
> had much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well
> (or not) it might improve cutting through the noise.
>
> I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?)
> might help as well?
>
> Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call
> when contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that
> I'll be heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential

treatment.

>
> Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er)
> KX3 owner and wannabe contester?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Aaron
> de KK4LOV
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Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fred Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 7:19 AM
> To: 'Ariel Jacala'
> Cc: 'Aaron Melton'; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>
> I guess I never counted Field Day as a contest 8>)
>
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ
> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ariel Jacala [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 7:52 AM
> To: Fred Smith
> Cc: Aaron Melton; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>
> The 10w transmitter output for SSB is not a hard and fast rule. Read
> the
> rules applicable to the contest. ARRL states explicitly in the rules
> for
> field day - to get the 5X multiplier, transmitter output has to be no
> more
> than 5 watts.
>
> Ariel NY4G
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:46 AM, "Fred Smith" <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Aaron
> >
> > For official QRP SSB it's 10w instead of 5w. I'm not a contester but
> > do work some of the contests looking for DX now mostly for my QRP
> > DXCC. New contracts for my regular DXCC are getting harder to come by
> > and have been fewer and far between so QRP just made sense.
> >
> > When I'm trying to work a new contact I do append my call with a QRP
> > many times I'm covered up by presentence pay off. Usually they will
> > finally notice and you will hear a standby for the QRP station. Don't
> > be surprised if a ORO station jumps in front of you it happens, just
> > hang in the DX will know the difference.
> >
> > Do I get them all no but that is why QRP is fun and SSB are the
> > hardest contacts to make. CW and digital are the easiest way to work
> > QRP that's why they are limited to 5w and not 10w like SSB. Good luck
> > and enjoy you may not make the most contacts or the highest score but
> you
> will have fun.
> >
> >
> > 73,
> > Fred/N0AZZ
> > K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
> > P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aaron Melton
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:44 AM
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
> >
> > [Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a
> joke...
> > :D
> >
> > I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's
> > been an awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate
> > in a few DX contests from time to time and this is currently my only
> > HF rig. I know that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more
> > often than not by higher power stations, but is like to know if
> anyone
> > else has any tricks they'd like to share?
> >
> > If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you
> do?
> >
> > I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30
> > (which seems to provide the most power before detrimentally
> distorting
> > my voice). I haven't touched this dial since week one.
> >
> > I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't
> > had much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well
> > (or not) it might improve cutting through the noise.
> >
> > I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?)
> > might help as well?
> >
> > Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call
> > when contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that
> > I'll be heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential
> treatment.
> >
> > Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er)
> > KX3 owner and wannabe contester?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Aaron
> > de KK4LOV
> > ______________________________________________________________
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ny4g

Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

In reply to this post by ny4g

Aaron

I forgot to mention that another tip is to become efficient at logging

Several contest specific software makes it seamless and there is a plethora of available software

There are also some good tips from the ARRL web site

http://www.arrl.org/contest-basics

Ariel NY4G

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On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 AM, "Ariel Jacala" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From the looks of your call - you are a new ham. QRP contesting is always going to be challenging because of the at least 13.5 dB disadvantage in signal strength (everything else being equal). I assume you want to stay with QRP power at 5 watts. Here are the approaches I recommend.
>
> (1) make sure you are getting al the signal out from your antenna system - replace lossy feedlines with low loss feedlines. One can easily find better feedlines on the internet - compare loss values per 100 ft in dB. I have a blog post (http://ny4g.blogspot.com/2013/05/where-does-all-that-rf-go-anyway-by-w7ci.html) where I regurgitated what W7CI said about RF highlighting the need for low loss feedlines.
>
> (2) If you are using wire antenna - select a design which minimizes the work the internal tuner has to work.
>
> (3) Pick your battles. QRP contesting is different from busting a DX pileup. QRP contesting is the domain of CW. You will do best as a contester in this mode. During contests there are going to be signals all over the band and Ops are not going to discriminate against you too much if you are in S&P mode in CW. Do not be too close to a louder station calling the same station as the stronger station will drown you out. Separate yourself enough - yet still in his passband so he can hear you. There can be a small pileup if a station calling CQ is a rare one is in international DX contests. It once took me an hour to call New Zealand (ZL) during the IARU HF Championship - but I needed ZL for DXCC QRP - so I hung in there. Good luck in SSB - this is the domain of amps and gain antenna systems. You can improve your chances with mic compression plus gain antennas.
>
> (4) Get a gain antenna. Just because you are limited to 5 watts at the transmitter does not mean you cannot get gain at your antenna - some examples - a vertical near salt water along the coast, a hex beam gets you 6 dB (that is 4X power multiplier), a tribander or other higher gain antenna system may give you 9dB (8X power) although beams are limited to 20MHz or higher for something affordable. I built a hex beam from scratch for about $300.
>
> (4) Don't use /QRP - it takes more time to send, identifies you as QRP, it takes more time to copy on the other end. Remember, the other station is also trying to maximize his QSO count.
>
> (4) Practice, practice, practice, NAQCC and QRP-ARCI have monthly contests. QRP usually has power multipliers which is a recognition of the power disadvantage. ARRL Field Day gives you a 2 points per QSO for CW, and Digital and a power multiplier of 5.
>
> (5) QRO stations are going to get more points than you. Your objective is to do as well as you can in the QRP category.
>
> Patience, patience, patience. Nothing makes you a better radio op than learning to make the best use of the meager 5-10 watts of power. I have a friend who has a sign "Life is too short for QRP" but by the same token I can brag to him that I have DXCC-QRP and WAS-QRP which is a feat much more rewarding than getting DXCC and WAS the easy way.
>
> Enjoy the hobby
>
> Ariel NY4G
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 2, 2013, at 7:45 AM, "Aaron Melton" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> [Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a joke... :D
>>
>> I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's been an awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate in a few DX contests from time to time and this is currently my only HF rig. I know that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more often than not by higher power stations, but is like to know if anyone else has any tricks they'd like to share?
>>
>> If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you do?
>>
>> I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30 (which seems to provide the most power before detrimentally distorting my voice). I haven't touched this dial since week one.
>>
>> I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't had much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well (or not) it might improve cutting through the noise.
>>
>> I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?) might help as well?
>>
>> Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call when contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that I'll be heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential treatment.
>>
>> Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er) KX3 owner and wannabe contester?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Aaron
>> de KK4LOV
>> ______________________________________________________________
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ny4g

Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

In reply to this post by Fred Smith-2

This is from the ARRL on General Rules for Contesting for 30 MHz or less HF contests sponsored by the ARRL

http://www.arrl.org/general-rules-for-arrl-contests-below-30-mhz

2.1.3. Single Operators may be divided into subcategories based on power output:

2.1.3.1. QRP: 5-W PEP output or less.

2.1.3.2. Low Power: 150-W PEP output or less.

2.1.3.3. High Power: More than 150-W PEP output (see rule 1.3).

Ariel NY4G

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On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:18 AM, "Fred Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I guess I never counted Field Day as a contest 8>)
>
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ
> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ariel Jacala [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 7:52 AM
> To: Fred Smith
> Cc: Aaron Melton; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>
> The 10w transmitter output for SSB is not a hard and fast rule. Read the
> rules applicable to the contest. ARRL states explicitly in the rules for
> field day - to get the 5X multiplier, transmitter output has to be no more
> than 5 watts.
>
> Ariel NY4G
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:46 AM, "Fred Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Aaron
>>
>> For official QRP SSB it's 10w instead of 5w. I'm not a contester but
>> do work some of the contests looking for DX now mostly for my QRP
>> DXCC. New contracts for my regular DXCC are getting harder to come by
>> and have been fewer and far between so QRP just made sense.
>>
>> When I'm trying to work a new contact I do append my call with a QRP
>> many times I'm covered up by presentence pay off. Usually they will
>> finally notice and you will hear a standby for the QRP station. Don't
>> be surprised if a ORO station jumps in front of you it happens, just
>> hang in the DX will know the difference.
>>
>> Do I get them all no but that is why QRP is fun and SSB are the
>> hardest contacts to make. CW and digital are the easiest way to work
>> QRP that's why they are limited to 5w and not 10w like SSB. Good luck
>> and enjoy you may not make the most contacts or the highest score but you
> will have fun.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred/N0AZZ
>> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
>> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aaron Melton
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:44 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>>
>> [Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a
> joke...
>> :D
>>
>> I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's
>> been an awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate
>> in a few DX contests from time to time and this is currently my only
>> HF rig. I know that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more
>> often than not by higher power stations, but is like to know if anyone
>> else has any tricks they'd like to share?
>>
>> If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you do?
>>
>> I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30
>> (which seems to provide the most power before detrimentally distorting
>> my voice). I haven't touched this dial since week one.
>>
>> I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't
>> had much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well
>> (or not) it might improve cutting through the noise.
>>
>> I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?)
>> might help as well?
>>
>> Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call
>> when contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that
>> I'll be heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential
> treatment.
>>
>> Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er)
>> KX3 owner and wannabe contester?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Aaron
>> de KK4LOV
>> ______________________________________________________________
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Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

In reply to this post by ny4g

Well all I work is DX and have worked some very good ones the exact way I
describe as well as DXpedition's both QRP and QRO. I'm not talking about the
KX3 or Fred's knowledge of the radios I have all his material books and PDF.
Versions. I plead "No Contest" as far as either the K3 or KX3 I always defer
to him about the radios.

In fact yesterday I received my latest "QRP" QSL card ZK3N using the KX3
with the appended N0AZZ/QRP they too asked others to stand by for the QRP
station. You just need to know when to try I worked them on 20m at 05:47 utc
at other hrs it would have been impossible to work him on 20m.

So all I can add to the OP is do what works for you mine may work for anyone
else. But I'm 31 countries away from QRP DXCC since I started on it
02/17/13.

73,
Fred/N0AZZ
K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ariel Jacala
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:13 AM
To: Cady, Fred
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?

I would listen to Fred - he wrote the book (quite literally) on the KX3
..... :-) my answer to the post says the same.

Ariel NY4G

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On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "Cady, Fred" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hate to rain on the /qrp parade, but when I've operated on the DX side,
and particularly during a contest, believe me, I'm looking to work stations
as fast as possible. So that means that the station that catches my ear, be
it the loudest, or most in the clear, or on the right frequency at the right
pitch, or just timed correctly gets the response. Adding /qrp doesn't' help
(for me to pick your call out). In fact, it's pretty annoying to have to
wait through the unnecessary /qrp once I've zeroed in on your call. And it's
really, really annoying when stations just send qrp qrp without their call.
That's a bit like "last two". Yuck. Send your call at the right time on the
right frequency and you'll get through.

> My $0.02 worth and probably valid only for me.
>
> Cheers,
> Fred KE7X
>
> Fred Cady
> "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration, and Operation 2nd Ed"
> "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the Summit"
> www.ke7x.com
> www.lulu.com (20% discount code is JULYBOOKS13) fcady at ieee dot org
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
>> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fred Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:46 AM
>> To: 'Aaron Melton'; [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>>
>> Hi Aaron
>>
>> For official QRP SSB it's 10w instead of 5w. I'm not a contester but
>> do work some of the contests looking for DX now mostly for my QRP
>> DXCC. New contracts for my regular DXCC are getting harder to come by
>> and have been fewer and far between so QRP just made sense.
>>
>> When I'm trying to work a new contact I do append my call with a QRP
>> many times I'm covered up by presentence pay off. Usually they will
>> finally notice and you will hear a standby for the QRP station. Don't
>> be surprised if a ORO station jumps in front of you it happens, just
>> hang in the DX will know the difference.
>>
>> Do I get them all no but that is why QRP is fun and SSB are the
>> hardest contacts to make. CW and digital are the easiest way to work
>> QRP that's why they are limited to 5w and not 10w like SSB. Good luck
>> and enjoy you may not make the most contacts or the highest score but
>> you will have fun.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred/N0AZZ
>> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
>> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aaron Melton
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:44 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>>
>> [Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a
>> joke...
>> :D
>>
>> I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's
>> been an awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate
>> in a few DX contests from time to time and this is currently my only
>> HF rig. I know that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more
>> often than not by higher power stations, but is like to know if
>> anyone else has any tricks they'd like to share?
>>
>> If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you
>> do?
>>
>> I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30
>> (which seems to provide the most power before detrimentally
>> distorting my voice). I haven't touched this dial since week one.
>>
>> I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't
>> had much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well
>> (or
>> not)
>> it might improve cutting through the noise.
>>
>> I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?)
>> might help as well?
>>
>> Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call
>> when contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that
>> I'll be heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential

treatment.

>>
>> Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er)
>> KX3 owner and wannabe contester?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Aaron
>> de KK4LOV
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

You've heard the expression "Life's Too Short for QRP" ?

New one - "QRP - Let the Other Guy Do All the Work !"
(and hope he has a K3)

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Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

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Fred,

Aaron was asking specifically on how to do well as a contester in a contest and not for working DX. The /QRP is not as much of a penalty when working SSB in terms of elapsed time but it is still a penalty. It is quite a penalty in CW when you have to listen to the additional dah-dih-di-dah-dit, dah-dah-di-dah, di-dah-dit, di-dah-dah-dit. Remember, Aaron and the other station are both trying to maximize QSO count in a contest. On SSB there is a good chance (in a Contest) that the /QRP station will be ignored. Contests are for shortest exchanges and clearest exchanges. Some contesters even invest in acquiring a 2x1 or 1x2 call to shorten the exchange. Some even calculate the CW and phonetic weight of a call sign and also to have a very recognizable call sign like W4DX for the same purpose.

I say this as a casual contester. I have also worked DX. My elapsed time for completing QRP DXCC is from February 2011 to December 2012. Like Aaron, I am also a relatively new ham - licensed into the General-Extra class in early 2010 - so I have only been working HF for 3 years.

Ariel NY4G

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On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:42 AM, "Fred Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Well all I work is DX and have worked some very good ones the exact way I
> describe as well as DXpedition's both QRP and QRO. I'm not talking about the
> KX3 or Fred's knowledge of the radios I have all his material books and PDF.
> Versions. I plead "No Contest" as far as either the K3 or KX3 I always defer
> to him about the radios.
>
> In fact yesterday I received my latest "QRP" QSL card ZK3N using the KX3
> with the appended N0AZZ/QRP they too asked others to stand by for the QRP
> station. You just need to know when to try I worked them on 20m at 05:47 utc
> at other hrs it would have been impossible to work him on 20m.
>
> So all I can add to the OP is do what works for you mine may work for anyone
> else. But I'm 31 countries away from QRP DXCC since I started on it
> 02/17/13.
>
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ
> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ariel Jacala
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:13 AM
> To: Cady, Fred
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>
> I would listen to Fred - he wrote the book (quite literally) on the KX3
> ..... :-) my answer to the post says the same.
>
> Ariel NY4G
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:05 AM, "Cady, Fred" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hate to rain on the /qrp parade, but when I've operated on the DX side,
> and particularly during a contest, believe me, I'm looking to work stations
> as fast as possible. So that means that the station that catches my ear, be
> it the loudest, or most in the clear, or on the right frequency at the right
> pitch, or just timed correctly gets the response. Adding /qrp doesn't' help
> (for me to pick your call out). In fact, it's pretty annoying to have to
> wait through the unnecessary /qrp once I've zeroed in on your call. And it's
> really, really annoying when stations just send qrp qrp without their call.
> That's a bit like "last two". Yuck. Send your call at the right time on the
> right frequency and you'll get through.
>> My $0.02 worth and probably valid only for me.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Fred KE7X
>>
>> Fred Cady
>> "The Elecraft K3: Design, Configuration, and Operation 2nd Ed"
>> "The Elecraft KX3 - Going for the Summit"
>> www.ke7x.com
>> www.lulu.com (20% discount code is JULYBOOKS13) fcady at ieee dot org
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
>>> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fred Smith
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:46 AM
>>> To: 'Aaron Melton'; [hidden email]
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>>>
>>> Hi Aaron
>>>
>>> For official QRP SSB it's 10w instead of 5w. I'm not a contester but
>>> do work some of the contests looking for DX now mostly for my QRP
>>> DXCC. New contracts for my regular DXCC are getting harder to come by
>>> and have been fewer and far between so QRP just made sense.
>>>
>>> When I'm trying to work a new contact I do append my call with a QRP
>>> many times I'm covered up by presentence pay off. Usually they will
>>> finally notice and you will hear a standby for the QRP station. Don't
>>> be surprised if a ORO station jumps in front of you it happens, just
>>> hang in the DX will know the difference.
>>>
>>> Do I get them all no but that is why QRP is fun and SSB are the
>>> hardest contacts to make. CW and digital are the easiest way to work
>>> QRP that's why they are limited to 5w and not 10w like SSB. Good luck
>>> and enjoy you may not make the most contacts or the highest score but
>>> you will have fun.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Fred/N0AZZ
>>> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
>>> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email]
>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aaron Melton
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:44 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>>>
>>> [Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a
>>> joke...
>>> :D
>>>
>>> I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's
>>> been an awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate
>>> in a few DX contests from time to time and this is currently my only
>>> HF rig. I know that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more
>>> often than not by higher power stations, but is like to know if
>>> anyone else has any tricks they'd like to share?
>>>
>>> If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you
>>> do?
>>>
>>> I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30
>>> (which seems to provide the most power before detrimentally
>>> distorting my voice). I haven't touched this dial since week one.
>>>
>>> I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't
>>> had much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well
>>> (or
>>> not)
>>> it might improve cutting through the noise.
>>>
>>> I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?)
>>> might help as well?
>>>
>>> Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call
>>> when contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that
>>> I'll be heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential
> treatment.
>>>
>>> Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er)
>>> KX3 owner and wannabe contester?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>> de KK4LOV
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Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

As a former heavy duty contested it is 20% radio and 80% operator, QRP or QRO George, W6GF. Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

Amen George!

73,
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Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

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Well, yes sort of. We operated 2A with KX3s and a K3 for 6 meters. We
worked everything we could hear; there were a few that just weren't
listening. The issue is radiating what you have to the max. We ran beams
and a pair of unterminated half rhombics. Most of our antennas were fed
with open wire as we had some really long runs. I expect that our ERP
exceeded many 100 Watt stations operating in the xA category. The rest
is just good operating, and that takes practice. The more you practice
the better you'll be at it. However, I make only one real
recommendation. Run CW or PSK31 during Field Day if you operate QRP. You
can end up being more than competitive this way. That's my opinion and I
don't care what the QRO guys say.:-D

73,
Barry
K3NDM

On 7/2/2013 9:18 AM, Fred Smith wrote:

> I guess I never counted Field Day as a contest 8>)
>
>
> 73,
> Fred/N0AZZ
> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ariel Jacala [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 7:52 AM
> To: Fred Smith
> Cc: Aaron Melton; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>
> The 10w transmitter output for SSB is not a hard and fast rule. Read the
> rules applicable to the contest. ARRL states explicitly in the rules for
> field day - to get the 5X multiplier, transmitter output has to be no more
> than 5 watts.
>
> Ariel NY4G
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:46 AM, "Fred Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Aaron
>>
>> For official QRP SSB it's 10w instead of 5w. I'm not a contester but
>> do work some of the contests looking for DX now mostly for my QRP
>> DXCC. New contracts for my regular DXCC are getting harder to come by
>> and have been fewer and far between so QRP just made sense.
>>
>> When I'm trying to work a new contact I do append my call with a QRP
>> many times I'm covered up by presentence pay off. Usually they will
>> finally notice and you will hear a standby for the QRP station. Don't
>> be surprised if a ORO station jumps in front of you it happens, just
>> hang in the DX will know the difference.
>>
>> Do I get them all no but that is why QRP is fun and SSB are the
>> hardest contacts to make. CW and digital are the easiest way to work
>> QRP that's why they are limited to 5w and not 10w like SSB. Good luck
>> and enjoy you may not make the most contacts or the highest score but you
> will have fun.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred/N0AZZ
>> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
>> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aaron Melton
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:44 AM
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>>
>> [Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a
> joke...
>> :D
>>
>> I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's
>> been an awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate
>> in a few DX contests from time to time and this is currently my only
>> HF rig. I know that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more
>> often than not by higher power stations, but is like to know if anyone
>> else has any tricks they'd like to share?
>>
>> If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you do?
>>
>> I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30
>> (which seems to provide the most power before detrimentally distorting
>> my voice). I haven't touched this dial since week one.
>>
>> I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't
>> had much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well
>> (or not) it might improve cutting through the noise.
>>
>> I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?)
>> might help as well?
>>
>> Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call
>> when contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that
>> I'll be heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential
> treatment.
>> Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er)
>> KX3 owner and wannabe contester?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Aaron
>> de KK4LOV
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ny4g

Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

I agree with Barry, in the "yes - sort of" category. We submitted our entry last year in the 2B category and placed second in our class. We had a Hex beam and an EFHW last year. This year we had two wires and did better than last year (even with more sleep) - probably because of practice and more experience from all the Sprints we did in between. Barry is right - get your feet wet and have fun. The KX3 is a great rig and we also worked almost everybody we could hear (except those who just would not listen). Having the i/Q display on the panadapter helped a lot in S&P mode (search and pounce).

Ariel NY4G

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On Jul 2, 2013, at 2:23 PM, "Barry LaZar" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Well, yes sort of. We operated 2A with KX3s and a K3 for 6 meters. We worked everything we could hear; there were a few that just weren't listening. The issue is radiating what you have to the max. We ran beams and a pair of unterminated half rhombics. Most of our antennas were fed with open wire as we had some really long runs. I expect that our ERP exceeded many 100 Watt stations operating in the xA category. The rest is just good operating, and that takes practice. The more you practice the better you'll be at it. However, I make only one real recommendation. Run CW or PSK31 during Field Day if you operate QRP. You can end up being more than competitive this way. That's my opinion and I don't care what the QRO guys say.:-D
>
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
>
>
> On 7/2/2013 9:18 AM, Fred Smith wrote:
>> I guess I never counted Field Day as a contest 8>)
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred/N0AZZ
>> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
>> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ariel Jacala [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 7:52 AM
>> To: Fred Smith
>> Cc: Aaron Melton; [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>>
>> The 10w transmitter output for SSB is not a hard and fast rule. Read the
>> rules applicable to the contest. ARRL states explicitly in the rules for
>> field day - to get the 5X multiplier, transmitter output has to be no more
>> than 5 watts.
>>
>> Ariel NY4G
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:46 AM, "Fred Smith" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Aaron
>>>
>>> For official QRP SSB it's 10w instead of 5w. I'm not a contester but
>>> do work some of the contests looking for DX now mostly for my QRP
>>> DXCC. New contracts for my regular DXCC are getting harder to come by
>>> and have been fewer and far between so QRP just made sense.
>>>
>>> When I'm trying to work a new contact I do append my call with a QRP
>>> many times I'm covered up by presentence pay off. Usually they will
>>> finally notice and you will hear a standby for the QRP station. Don't
>>> be surprised if a ORO station jumps in front of you it happens, just
>>> hang in the DX will know the difference.
>>>
>>> Do I get them all no but that is why QRP is fun and SSB are the
>>> hardest contacts to make. CW and digital are the easiest way to work
>>> QRP that's why they are limited to 5w and not 10w like SSB. Good luck
>>> and enjoy you may not make the most contacts or the highest score but you
>> will have fun.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Fred/N0AZZ
>>> K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 2573--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100
>>> P3/SVGA--KPA500--KAT500--W2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [hidden email]
>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Aaron Melton
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:44 AM
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Setup For Contesting?
>>>
>>> [Cross-posting between KX3 Yahoo Group & Elecraft mailing list.]
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm sure at least a few of you read this email to see if this was a
>> joke...
>>> :D
>>>
>>> I originally purchased a KX3 for portable ops, SOTA, etc. and it's
>>> been an awesome rig in that regard. However, I'd like to participate
>>> in a few DX contests from time to time and this is currently my only
>>> HF rig. I know that operating QRP means I'm getting clobbered more
>>> often than not by higher power stations, but is like to know if anyone
>>> else has any tricks they'd like to share?
>>>
>>> If you operate QRP (5 watts) during normal contests, what/how do you do?
>>>
>>> I have experimented with the mic gain and its currently set to 30
>>> (which seems to provide the most power before detrimentally distorting
>>> my voice). I haven't touched this dial since week one.
>>>
>>> I've alternated adjusting the voice compression at times, but haven't
>>> had much opportunity to get feedback from another station on how well
>>> (or not) it might improve cutting through the noise.
>>>
>>> I've been told that taking some of the lows out of my voice (EQ?)
>>> might help as well?
>>>
>>> Finally, I've started appending "stroke QRP" to the end of my call
>>> when contacting other stations. It doesn't make it more likely that
>>> I'll be heard, but if heard I find I usually receive preferential
>> treatment.
>>> Have you any radio settings or techniques that would help a new(er)
>>> KX3 owner and wannabe contester?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Aaron
>>> de KK4LOV
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Raymond Sills

Re: KX3 Setup For Contesting?

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On Jul 2, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Barry LaZar wrote:

> Well, yes sort of. We operated 2A with KX3s and a K3 for 6 meters.
> We worked everything we could hear; there were a few that just
> weren't listening. The issue is radiating what you have to the max.
> We ran beams and a pair of unterminated half rhombics. Most of our
> antennas were fed with open wire as we had some really long runs. I
> expect that our ERP exceeded many 100 Watt stations operating in the
> xA category. The rest is just good operating, and that takes
> practice. The more you practice the better you'll be at it. However,
> I make only one real recommendation. Run CW or PSK31 during Field
> Day if you operate QRP. You can end up being more than competitive
> this way. That's my opinion and I don't care what the QRO guys say.:-D
>
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM

And, I would submit that on Field Day, you can run QSOs faster on CW
than phone. I heard many an SSB station, spending more time saying
their callsign and making an exchange than a lot of CW ops.

For example... a station that is running a frequency, finishes with a
station sending: TU QRZ. I send my call: K2ULR. He responds with
K2ULR 3A SFL (acknowledging me and sending his part of the
exchange). I send 1B EPA. He finishes with TU FD DE W4xyz.. or
QRZ. The entire exchange takes quite a bit less time that a voice
contact... with all it's phonetics. The CW QSO is in the log in about
10 to 15 seconds.

And yes... CW seems to get out better. PSK31 is fine, but still think
the full exchange goes faster in CW. And, I'm not a "CW" guy!

73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211

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