KX3 - use as a k3 remote rig

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KX3 - use as a k3 remote rig

Gary Slagel
I'm about to buy a vacation home that I plan to spend a week a month or so in.  I've also got a kx3 on order.  Because of the vacation home I'm really interested in the new K3 to K3 remote rig option and I'm wondering if it would be nearly as easy to set up a kx3 to k3 remote option as it seems the kx3 architecture is pretty similar to the k3.

Anyone have any experience or thoughts on how this would go?

Thanks,

Gary Slagel
KT0A
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Using the KX3 to control a remote KX3, K3, or K2 (limited and experimental)

wayne burdick
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Gary wrote:

> I'm wondering if it would be easy to set up a kx3 to k3 remote  
> option as it seems the kx3 architecture is pretty similar to the k3.

Hi Gary,

The front panels of the KX3 and K3 are quite different, so there can't  
really be a 1-to-1 correspondence of KX3 controls mapping to K3  
controls.

That said, the KX3 does have the ability to do very limited remote  
control of another KX3, K3, or even a K2. This feature is presently  
experimental and incomplete, but feel free to give it a try. (All  
public releases of KX3 firmware have included this feature...we just  
haven't said much about it yet.)

NOTE: The KX3 *does not* implement the ultrafast rig-control protocol  
that is present in the K3 and K3/0. Instead, we created a moderately  
fast version of the traditional "autoinfo" mechanism (AI). What this  
means is that if you want the best remote-control performance, you  
should control a remote K3 with another K3 or a K3/0, not a KX3.

Using the KX3 as a Controller:

First, you'll need to connect the two rigs together somehow. The  
simplest method, and the one recommended for trying the remote-control  
feature, is to use a "null-modem" cable. For example if you're using  
two KX3s, connect their ACC1 jacks together using a 3-conductor cable  
that has the tip and ring connections cross-wired. If the remote rig  
is a K3 or K2, you can make a cable with a DE9 at that end and a 3.5  
mm plug at the KX3 end, again cross-wiring the RXD and TXD signals.  
You could also use the internet or even wiFi, with PCs or RemoteRig  
boxes as intermediaries, and we'll have an app note on that at some  
point.

Next, go into the menu at the KX3 intended to be used as the  
controller and set AUTOINF to RIG CTRL. This puts the KX3 into a  
benign, no-transmit, no-RX-audio state, and causes most control  
changes to be sent to the remote radio. If the remote rig is a K3, its  
sub receiver is turned OFF by the KX3, since a KX3 front panel has no  
way to control the sub receiver yet.

IMPORTANT: As with RemoteRig installations, audio in/out and CW keying  
are handled separately--not through the controller. That is, you can't  
use the local KX3's mic, phones, or key jacks; you have to either wire  
the corresponding devices to the remote rig directly, or provide  
dedicated media channels for these. The RemoteRig boxes do this. You  
connect the mic, key, and headphones directly to them, not to the  
controlling KX3 (or K3, or K3/0). At the remote end, these signals are  
then connected to the appropriate connectors on the K3 (etc.).

In a future release we might be able to send CW from the controlling  
KX3 by embedding the characters in command packets, as well as allow  
the use of the MSG play buttons.

At present the KX3 can control the following functions on a remote  
radio:

   VFO A
   VFO B
   Mode
   AF gain
   Filter BW (PBT on the KX3, WIDTH on the K3)
   RIT offset
   RIT clear

We hope to greatly expand this set of functions in the future. But  
again, if want full control of a remote K3, you'll need another K3 or  
a K3/0.

73,
Wayne
N6KR




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Re: Using the KX3 to control a remote KX3, K3, or K2 (limited and experimental)

Gary Slagel
Thanks Wayne and everyone else who sent direct responses.  I am thinking that I'd use the remote rig boxes if I tried remoting so audio and cw keying should work as well as the k3/k3 remote.  One of my goals is to do some remote contesting so the reduced control set and slower rig control may not fly for that.  But.... it'll be worth experimenting with and if needed I should be able to use the same remote rig boxes with a k3 terminal.   I've got a month or so for delivery of the kx3 so plenty of time for planning.  Thanks again.