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I've been using the PX3 with my KX3 for a year now, with no problems.  I've now added a KXPA100, and find that either I can have full functionality of the amplifier, or of the panadaptor, but not both at the same time.


I've set up the system for full functionality of the PX3 and "Basic" operation of the KXPA100, using the ACC2 port on the KX3.  That works OK, but I'd like to have full use of the KXPA100's interaction with the KX3, without losing full use of the PX3.  The issue seems to be that they cannot share use of ACC1.  


Anybody have a solution?


73 Ray W2RS
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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

Dick Dievendorff-4
Ray:  Hope this helps:

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf 

see Figure 3.

73 de Dick, K6KR


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Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3

I've been using the PX3 with my KX3 for a year now, with no problems.  I've
now added a KXPA100, and find that either I can have full functionality of
the amplifier, or of the panadaptor, but not both at the same time.


I've set up the system for full functionality of the PX3 and "Basic"
operation of the KXPA100, using the ACC2 port on the KX3.  That works OK,
but I'd like to have full use of the KXPA100's interaction with the KX3,
without losing full use of the PX3.  The issue seems to be that they cannot
share use of ACC1.  


Anybody have a solution?


73 Ray W2RS
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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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Hi Dick,


When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE set to ON.  If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full interaction with the KX3.  What am I doing wrong?


73 Ray W2RS



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Ray:  Hope this helps:

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf 

see Figure 3.

73 de Dick, K6KR


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Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3

I've been using the PX3 with my KX3 for a year now, with no problems.  I've
now added a KXPA100, and find that either I can have full functionality of
the amplifier, or of the panadaptor, but not both at the same time.


I've set up the system for full functionality of the PX3 and "Basic"
operation of the KXPA100, using the ACC2 port on the KX3.  That works OK,
but I'd like to have full use of the KXPA100's interaction with the KX3,
without losing full use of the PX3.  The issue seems to be that they cannot
share use of ACC1.  


Anybody have a solution?


73 Ray W2RS
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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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>>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf  see Figure 3.
>When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE set to ON.  If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full interaction with the KX3.  What am I doing wrong?

So are you saying that you have the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all connected in the exact manner depicted in Figure 3 (which also appears in the PX3 manual) and you're still experiencing this problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but it sounds like you aren't using the KX3-KXPA100 adapter cable. You can't just connect the KXPA100 RS232 port directly to the KX3 ACC1 port.

73, Ryan AI6DO
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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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Hi Ryan,


Yes, I am using the control cable.  


73 Ray



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>>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf  see Figure 3.


>When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE set to ON.  If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full interaction with the KX3.  What am I doing wrong?




So are you saying that you have the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all connected in the exact manner depicted in Figure 3 (which also appears in the PX3 manual) and you're still experiencing this problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but it sounds like you aren't using the KX3-KXPA100 adapter cable. You can't just connect the KXPA100 RS232 port directly to the KX3 ACC1 port.



73, Ryan AI6DO


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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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Make sure all of the plugs are fully seated in their sockets.

73,

Fred KE7X


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>>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf  see Figure 3.
>When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE set to ON.  If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full interaction with the KX3.  What am I doing wrong?

So are you saying that you have the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all connected in the exact manner depicted in Figure 3 (which also appears in the PX3 manual) and you're still experiencing this problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but it sounds like you aren't using the KX3-KXPA100 adapter cable. You can't just connect the KXPA100 RS232 port directly to the KX3 ACC1 port.

73, Ryan AI6DO
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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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The KX3 says it has the KXPA100 behind it, but I still get no output.  When I turn PA MODE to OFF, and turn the amp ON using the front panel switch, I get full output but in Basic mode.


73 Ray W2RS



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Make sure all of the plugs are fully seated in their sockets.
73,
Fred KE7X


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>>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf  see Figure 3.
>When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE set to ON.  If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full interaction with the KX3.  What am I doing wrong?

So are you saying that you have the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all connected in the exact manner depicted in Figure 3 (which also appears in the PX3 manual) and you're still experiencing this problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but it sounds like you aren't using the KX3-KXPA100 adapter cable. You can't just connect the KXPA100 RS232 port directly to the KX3 ACC1 port.

73, Ryan AI6DO
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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

Don Wilhelm
Ray,

Check to be certain the RJ-45 connectors are fully plugged in.  Some of
them are difficult to seat if you hold onto the cover boot.  Pull the
boot back and push the plug itself in until it clicks.

Make sure the other plugs are fully seated - give them an extra push
into their jacks.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/30/2016 11:50 AM, Ray W2RS via Elecraft wrote:
> The KX3 says it has the KXPA100 behind it, but I still get no output.  When I turn PA MODE to OFF, and turn the amp ON using the front panel switch, I get full output but in Basic mode.
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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

Dave AD6A
You may simply have the power set too low (below 11W) for the KXPA100 to turn on.

73 Dave AD6A

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> On Dec 30, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Ray,
>
> Check to be certain the RJ-45 connectors are fully plugged in.  Some of them are difficult to seat if you hold onto the cover boot.  Pull the boot back and push the plug itself in until it clicks.
>
> Make sure the other plugs are fully seated - give them an extra push into their jacks.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 12/30/2016 11:50 AM, Ray W2RS via Elecraft wrote:
>> The KX3 says it has the KXPA100 behind it, but I still get no output.  When I turn PA MODE to OFF, and turn the amp ON using the front panel switch, I get full output but in Basic mode.
>>
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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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How are you turning the KX3 and KXPA100 on and off.  If you shut down the power supply with the KX3 powered on, it will default to PA off  and power our <10 watts and stay that way until you manually go back and turn PA on and change power level on KX3 to require the amp to be on.  You should control the KX3 and KXPA100 power via the power on /off sequence on the KX3.
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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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Ryan,


Yes, I am using the correct adapter cable.


73 Ray W2RS


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>>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf  see Figure 3.


>When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE set to ON.  If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full interaction with the KX3.  What am I doing wrong?




So are you saying that you have the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all connected in the exact manner depicted in Figure 3 (which also appears in the PX3 manual) and you're still experiencing this problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but it sounds like you aren't using the KX3-KXPA100 adapter cable. You can't just connect the KXPA100 RS232 port directly to the KX3 ACC1 port.



73, Ryan AI6DO


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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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Further to my last email, when I am in Basic mode, with PA MODE set to OFF and the KXPA100 on/off switch set to ON, I get full power out and no dissipation.  When PA MODE is ON and the on/off switch set to OFF, the KX3 acts like the KXPA100 is connected to it but there is no power output from the KXPA100 but all the power it produces is being dissipated.  Some setting is probably wrong, but I can't figure out which one.


Any ideas?


73 Ray W2RS



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You may simply have the power set too low (below 11W) for the KXPA100 to turn on.

73 Dave AD6A

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> On Dec 30, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Ray,
>
> Check to be certain the RJ-45 connectors are fully plugged in.  Some of them are difficult to seat if you hold onto the cover boot.  Pull the boot back and push the plug itself in until it clicks.
>
> Make sure the other plugs are fully seated - give them an extra push into their jacks.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>> On 12/30/2016 11:50 AM, Ray W2RS via Elecraft wrote:
>> The KX3 says it has the KXPA100 behind it, but I still get no output.  When I turn PA MODE to OFF, and turn the amp ON using the front panel switch, I get full output but in Basic mode.
>>
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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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>Further to my last email, when I am in Basic mode, with PA MODE set to OFF and the KXPA100 on/off switch set to ON, I get full power out and no dissipation.  When PA MODE is ON and the on/off switch set to OFF, the KX3 acts like the KXPA100 is connected to it but there is no power output from the KXPA100 but all the power it produces is being dissipated.  Some setting is probably wrong, but I can't figure out which one.




I'd suggest checking the ACC2 IO setting in the KX3 to make sure Tx keying isn't being inhibited. It's also possible that the interface cable is faulty. 

There's also the usual advice to make sure the firmware is current. My club's KX3 and KXPA100 were very unreliable until I updated their 2-3 year old firmware. Mostly intermittent problems with the ATU and even recognizing they're connected, but all that went away with fresh firmware. 

73, Ryan AI6DO
   
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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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Ray,

Does the power light on the KXPA100 turn on when you power on the KX3?

I am not sure about your statements about "all the power it produces is
being dissipated"
Dissipated where?  Into power output or into heat?  Does the heatsink
heat up?

Similarly, your statement about "no power dissipated" when in basic mode.

Can you connect an external wattmeter and a dummy load, put the KXAT100
into bypass and see what the KXPA100 is really producing. That more
detailed information will aid in answering your question.  If you can
measure the current draw and voltage during keydown that would help even
more.

73,
Don W3FPR

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> Further to my last email, when I am in Basic mode, with PA MODE set to
> OFF and the KXPA100 on/off switch set to ON, I get full power out and
> no dissipation.  When PA MODE is ON and the on/off switch set to OFF,
> the KX3 acts like the KXPA100 is connected to it but there is no power
> output from the KXPA100 but all the power it produces is being
> dissipated.  Some setting is probably wrong, but I can't figure out
> which one.
>
>

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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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The setting is OFF

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>Further to my last email, when I am in Basic mode, with PA MODE set to OFF and the KXPA100 on/off switch set to ON, I get full power out and no dissipation.  When PA MODE is ON and the on/off switch set to OFF, the KX3 acts like the KXPA100 is connected to it but there is no power output from the KXPA100 but all the power it produces is being dissipated.  Some setting is probably wrong, but I can't figure out which one.











I'd suggest checking the ACC2 IO setting in the KX3 to make sure Tx keying isn't being inhibited. It's also possible that the interface cable is faulty.




There's also the usual advice to make sure the firmware is current. My club's KX3 and KXPA100 were very unreliable until I updated their 2-3 year old firmware. Mostly intermittent problems with the ATU and even recognizing they're connected, but all that went away with fresh firmware.




73, Ryan AI6DO



 
 
 


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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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Ray,

I had a simular problem and the solution was replacing a bad cable.  You might
want to contact Elecraft support .

73, Bill  KT5TE

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> Ryan,
>
>
> Yes, I am using the correct adapter cable.
>
>
> 73 Ray W2RS
>
>
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>
> >>http://www.elecraft.com/manual/PX3_installation_FAQ_v-0-8.pdf  see Figure
> >>3.>
> >When I tried that, I got no output from the KXPA100 with the KX3 PA MODE
> >set to ON.  If I set that to OFF, I get full output but then not full
> >interaction with the KX3.  What am I doing wrong?
> So are you saying that you have the KX3, PX3, and KXPA100 all connected in
> the exact manner depicted in Figure 3 (which also appears in the PX3
> manual) and you're still experiencing this problem? Maybe I'm mistaken, but
> it sounds like you aren't using the KX3-KXPA100 adapter cable. You can't
> just connect the KXPA100 RS232 port directly to the KX3 ACC1 port.
>
>
>
> 73, Ryan AI6DO
>
>
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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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Yes, the power light is on.  When I'm in Basic mode (PA MODE OFF), the KXPA100 draws 12 amps key down at 13 VDC.  The power output is 100 watts.  With PA MODE ON, there is no output and the current drawn is 8 amps at 13 VDC.  The power is dissipated through the heat sink.


Hope this helps.


73 Ray W2RS

Does the power light on the KXPA100 turn on when you power on the KX3?





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From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
To: rsoifer1 <[hidden email]>; dave <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3

Ray,

Does the power light on the KXPA100 turn on when you power on the KX3?

I am not sure about your statements about "all the power it produces is
being dissipated"
Dissipated where?  Into power output or into heat?  Does the heatsink
heat up?

Similarly, your statement about "no power dissipated" when in basic mode.

Can you connect an external wattmeter and a dummy load, put the KXAT100
into bypass and see what the KXPA100 is really producing. That more
detailed information will aid in answering your question.  If you can
measure the current draw and voltage during keydown that would help even
more.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/30/2016 3:16 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> Further to my last email, when I am in Basic mode, with PA MODE set to
> OFF and the KXPA100 on/off switch set to ON, I get full power out and
> no dissipation.  When PA MODE is ON and the on/off switch set to OFF,
> the KX3 acts like the KXPA100 is connected to it but there is no power
> output from the KXPA100 but all the power it produces is being
> dissipated.  Some setting is probably wrong, but I can't figure out
> which one.
>
>


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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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Don and others,


The good news is that you were right: the RJ-45 connectors in the control cable were not making good contact.  I fixed that and PA ON operation of the KXPA100 is now working.


The bad news, however, is that in Basic operation with PA OFF, the KX3/KXPA100 puts out full power, but the most I can get out of it with PA ON is 50-60 watts.  The attenuator is set for OUT/AUTO and there is no more than 1 or 2 watts reflected power.


What should I try now?


73 Ray W2RS



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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3

Ray,

Check to be certain the RJ-45 connectors are fully plugged in.  Some of
them are difficult to seat if you hold onto the cover boot.  Pull the
boot back and push the plug itself in until it clicks.

Make sure the other plugs are fully seated - give them an extra push
into their jacks.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 12/30/2016 11:50 AM, Ray W2RS via Elecraft wrote:
> The KX3 says it has the KXPA100 behind it, but I still get no output.  When I turn PA MODE to OFF, and turn the amp ON using the front panel switch, I get full output but in Basic mode.
>

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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

Don Wilhelm
Ray,

Have you tried running the TX Gain Calibration on the KX3?
It may be that the KX3 wattmeter is not well calibrated.

If you do the TX Gain Calibration manually, it must be done on each band.
The KX3 Utility automates the process.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2017 11:55 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Don and others,
>
> The good news is that you were right: the RJ-45 connectors in the
> control cable were not making good contact.  I fixed that and PA ON
> operation of the KXPA100 is now working.
>
> The bad news, however, is that in Basic operation with PA OFF, the
> KX3/KXPA100 puts out full power, but the most I can get out of it with
> PA ON is 50-60 watts.  The attenuator is set for OUT/AUTO and there is
> no more than 1 or 2 watts reflected power.
>
>

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Re: KXPA100 with PX3

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Hi Don,


I tried that but an external wattmeter confirmed the KXPA100 forward and reflected power readings.  Something in the KX3 is holding down the power output when PA is ON, but not when PA is off.


73 Ray W2RS



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From: Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 10:33 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KXPA100 with PX3

Ray,

Have you tried running the TX Gain Calibration on the KX3?
It may be that the KX3 wattmeter is not well calibrated.

If you do the TX Gain Calibration manually, it must be done on each band.
The KX3 Utility automates the process.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/2/2017 11:55 AM, [hidden email] wrote:

> Don and others,
>
> The good news is that you were right: the RJ-45 connectors in the
> control cable were not making good contact.  I fixed that and PA ON
> operation of the KXPA100 is now working.
>
> The bad news, however, is that in Basic operation with PA OFF, the
> KX3/KXPA100 puts out full power, but the most I can get out of it with
> PA ON is 50-60 watts.  The attenuator is set for OUT/AUTO and there is
> no more than 1 or 2 watts reflected power.
>
>


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