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John Santillo

Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

OK guys I've tried everything to no avail. The DM780 demodulates CW, PSK,
etc fine and I can get the frequency readout and all the K3 button are
displayed
on DM780 but I just can't get the Keyboard CW to work. I did program
the M1-M4 memories on the K3 and was able to activate them from DM780. I
have DM780 connected to HRD via the IP server. I also have DM780 set
to CW(KY Command). I've tried VOX, Data A, PSK D and Line-In via the Menu
Button but no luck. How do I set the K3 and/or the HRD/DM780 to get
Keyboard
CW to work?

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

73,

John
N2HMM
S/N 5033

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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

John,

Have you tried setting the K3 to CW mode? DM780 sends KY commands over
the RS-232 interface, and the K3 does not know how to respond to them
unless it is in CW mode.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/1/2011 8:33 PM, John Santillo wrote:

> OK guys I've tried everything to no avail. The DM780 demodulates CW, PSK,
> etc fine and I can get the frequency readout and all the K3 button are
> displayed
> on DM780 but I just can't get the Keyboard CW to work. I did program
> the M1-M4 memories on the K3 and was able to activate them from DM780. I
> have DM780 connected to HRD via the IP server. I also have DM780 set
> to CW(KY Command). I've tried VOX, Data A, PSK D and Line-In via the Menu
> Button but no luck. How do I set the K3 and/or the HRD/DM780 to get
> Keyboard
> CW to work?
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
> 73,
>
> John
> N2HMM
> S/N 5033
>
>
>
>
>
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John Santillo

Re: Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

Yes, I have the radio in CW mode.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 8:49 PM
To: John Santillo
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

John,

Have you tried setting the K3 to CW mode? DM780 sends KY commands over
the RS-232 interface, and the K3 does not know how to respond to them
unless it is in CW mode.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/1/2011 8:33 PM, John Santillo wrote:

Julian, G4ILO

Re: Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

Have you tried using the K3 Utility (or KComm)? If you can send CW with either of those it will show that the problem must be an HRD issue and not a fault with the settings of the K3.

Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
* G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html

vk4cmv

Re: Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

In reply to this post by John Santillo

I have CW (KY Cmd) working with DM780 here - so here's a quick run down of how I have it set up.

On the K3 side, CW Mode selected (CW REV actually - so that the DM780 waterfall tunes the right way), I have have QSK set, but it will work OK with Semi.

On the DM780 side, mode is set to CW (KY Cmd) and, quite importantly, the "Break In" toggle is set ON - so when you type, the commands are sent to the K3 straight-away. Just hit the E key when you are inside the text input window in DM780 and you should get a 'dit' out of the K3.

With the KY Cmd mode it's important to remember that you will be transmitting at the pitch you have set up in the K3 - so if you want to net onto another CW signal, say 650Hz, set up the C marker in DM780 on 650Hz and you will be right.

There are other CW variants in DM780:

If you use the MCW mode, this is done using audio tones, like PSK and RTTY and I suspect you would need to be in DATA mode to send CW - advise not going there.

CW - where you can configure a serial/parallel port to key you rig.

CW (Winkey) - which also requires that you configure a port to talk to the K1EL Winkey box.

I've tried all of these at one time or another and have decided that CW (KY Cmd) is the answer for me (less clutter on the shack desk).

Send me an email off the forum if you're still having problems.

rgds, Julian VK4CMV

Jim Sheldon

Re: Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

Wondering if the original poster is using HRD Version 4.0 or the Beta 5.0 version. I have never been able to get the Production Release 4.0 build xxxx to work on CW using the KY option with my K3. I just downloaded and installed the Beta version 5.0 and it works exactly as Julian says.

I don't know why V4.0 won't work and haven't bothered to troubleshoot it very hard as I operate CW "old school" with the paddles and receive by ear so I don't need or use the decoders either in the programs or the K3 itself.

I do like the option of being able to use the computer's keyboard for sending CW as I can certainly KB send CW faster and more cleanly than I can with the paddles, especially above 25 wpm. For CW, Elecraft's K3 Utility program "terminal" works just fine, but for PSK and RTTY, it's better just for testing the mode and if you can't type fast enough to keep ahead of the buffer, it comes out of transmit. This sort of negates it for the slow typers using it for QSO's, but at least it will run the K3 in native DATA mode

As a "do doggone near everything" type program, Simon's Ham Radio Deluxe is rapidly becoming one of the best available, especially in the "free" software category. It supports so many different rigs in the "CAT" control category that I'm sure there will always be some bugs in it, but so far the Beta 5.0 and the K3 seem to play well together.

I've had my K3 since the day before Christmas and am learning something new about it every day so it will probably take me a lot longer than that to get HRD and Digital Master figured out (if I ever do).

Jim - W0EB

>
> I have CW (KY Cmd) working with DM780 here - so here's a quick run
> down of
> how I have it set up.
>
> On the K3 side, CW Mode selected (CW REV actually - so that the
> DM780
> waterfall tunes the right way), I have have QSK set, but it will
> work OK
> with Semi.
>
> On the DM780 side, mode is set to CW (KY Cmd) and, quite
> importantly, the
> "Break In" toggle is set ON - so when you type, the commands are
> sent to the
> K3 straight-away. Just hit the E key when you are inside the text
> input
> window in DM780 and you should get a 'dit' out of the K3.
>
> With the KY Cmd mode it's important to remember that you will be
> transmitting at the pitch you have set up in the K3 - so if you
> want to net
> onto another CW signal, say 650Hz, set up the C marker in DM780 on
> 650Hz and
> you will be right.
>
> There are other CW variants in DM780:
>
> If you use the MCW mode, this is done using audio tones, like PSK
> and RTTY
> and I suspect you would need to be in DATA mode to send CW - advise
> not
> going there.
>
> CW - where you can configure a serial/parallel port to key you rig.
>
> CW (Winkey) - which also requires that you configure a port to talk
> to the
> K1EL Winkey box.
>
>
> I've tried all of these at one time or another and have decided
> that CW (KY
> Cmd) is the answer for me (less clutter on the shack desk).
>
> Send me an email off the forum if you're still having problems.
>
>
> rgds, Julian VK4CMV

k5oai

Re: Keyboard CW with HRD and DM780

I finally gave up on HRD 5.0 I was never able to keep it connected to VE7CC's
cluster, It would drop me and then I would have to reconnect and loose all my
settings. HRD doesn't have any options for what you tell the cluster you connect
to, so you must redo it all by hand commands. Other than the cluster problem,
HRD 5.0 was nice as far as the K3's interface.

I have switched to DXLabs, works like it should with the cluster. and it even
allows me to see spots in bands I was not previously watching. It does so much,
just like HRD, that it has a rather steep learning curve, for me, but I'm
getting there.But I'm now using LP Bridge, so I can use PowerSDR-if as well as
DXLabs and many other pgms at one time, best of both worlds, I hardly miss the
"prettyness" of the HRD K3 interface. I just click on a spot or a place in the
waterfall and bang, the K3 follows obediently changing modes, splits, etc.

Oh and DXLabs also Free, unlike TRX-Manager which I also tried for the demo
period. Had a better K3 interface than DXLabs, but hey maybe thats why they put
buttons and knobs on the face of the K3, hi hi.

GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan

On 2/2/2011 9:53 AM, Jim Sheldon wrote:

> Wondering if the original poster is using HRD Version 4.0 or the Beta 5.0
> version. I have never been able to get the Production Release 4.0 build xxxx
> to work on CW using the KY option with my K3. I just downloaded and
> installed the Beta version 5.0 and it works exactly as Julian says.
>
> I don't know why V4.0 won't work and haven't bothered to troubleshoot it very
> hard as I operate CW "old school" with the paddles and receive by ear so I
> don't need or use the decoders either in the programs or the K3 itself.
>
> I do like the option of being able to use the computer's keyboard for sending
> CW as I can certainly KB send CW faster and more cleanly than I can with the
> paddles, especially above 25 wpm. For CW, Elecraft's K3 Utility program
> "terminal" works just fine, but for PSK and RTTY, it's better just for
> testing the mode and if you can't type fast enough to keep ahead of the
> buffer, it comes out of transmit. This sort of negates it for the slow
> typers using it for QSO's, but at least it will run the K3 in native DATA
> mode
>
> As a "do doggone near everything" type program, Simon's Ham Radio Deluxe is
> rapidly becoming one of the best available, especially in the "free" software
> category. It supports so many different rigs in the "CAT" control category
> that I'm sure there will always be some bugs in it, but so far the Beta 5.0
> and the K3 seem to play well together.
>
> I've had my K3 since the day before Christmas and am learning something new
> about it every day so it will probably take me a lot longer than that to get
> HRD and Digital Master figured out (if I ever do).
>
> Jim - W0EB
>