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AD4C2009

Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

Elliot,I installed my FW 3.44 yesterday and now that you mentioned I gave it a try and your are right,with the NR engaged, in my case best result at F4-1, every time I move the WIDTH step by step,I hear a "pop" sound at the speaker and the audio blanks out for a fraction of a second,no big deal for me but the WIDTH tunning is not smooth as it was before,all the other functions works ok,maybe Elecraft team will fix this with the next upgrade,that's why they want us the beta testers do all the test and let them know what is wrong,73

AD4C

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Elliott Lawrence-3

Re: Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

Thanks Hector....Glad it isn't just me being too picky!!!

I don't want to reload 3.3 to see the difference. Maybe somewho who hasn't
upgraded can check that out.

73
Elliott WA6TLA

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From: "Hector Padron" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:50 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

Elliot,I installed my FW 3.44 yesterday and now that you mentioned I gave it
a try and your are right,with the NR engaged, in my case best result at
F4-1, every time I move the WIDTH step by step,I hear a "pop" sound at the
speaker and the audio blanks out for a fraction of a second,no big deal for
me but the WIDTH tunning is not smooth as it was before,all the other
functions works ok,maybe Elecraft team will fix this with the next
upgrade,that's why they want us the beta testers do all the test and let
them know what is wrong,73

AD4C

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Mike Harris

Re: Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

G'day,

Don't you get the feeling that a six month hold on new frills is in
order. Polish up what's already there. It's all getting a bit
manic. I certainly don't need a radio that tries to out guess me.
Damned if I would want to fly in something that reconfigured itself
without direct command from the pilot.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

----- Original Message -----
From: "Elliott Lawrence" <[hidden email]>
To: "Hector Padron" <[hidden email]>
Cc: "Elecraft List" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

> Thanks Hector....Glad it isn't just me being too picky!!!
>
> I don't want to reload 3.3 to see the difference. Maybe somewho
> who hasn't
> upgraded can check that out.
>
> 73
> Elliott WA6TLA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hector Padron" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:50 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
>
>
> Elliot,I installed my FW 3.44 yesterday and now that you mentioned
> I gave it
> a try and your are right,with the NR engaged, in my case best
> result at
> F4-1, every time I move the WIDTH step by step,I hear a "pop"
> sound at the
> speaker and the audio blanks out for a fraction of a second,no big
> deal for
> me but the WIDTH tunning is not smooth as it was before,all the
> other
> functions works ok,maybe Elecraft team will fix this with the next
> upgrade,that's why they want us the beta testers do all the test
> and let
> them know what is wrong,73
>
> AD4C
>
> "For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"

alsopb

Re: Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

In reply to this post by Elliott Lawrence-3

I tried looking hard for this in both SSB and CW.

The only pop I hear is when width moves to a new filter.

Is there some other mode that this shows up in?

(Listening in earphones, with AFX off.)

73 de Brian/K3KO

Elliott Lawrence wrote:

> Thanks Hector....Glad it isn't just me being too picky!!!
>
> I don't want to reload 3.3 to see the difference. Maybe somewho who hasn't
> upgraded can check that out.
>
> 73
> Elliott WA6TLA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hector Padron" <[hidden email]>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:50 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
>
>
> Elliot,I installed my FW 3.44 yesterday and now that you mentioned I gave it
> a try and your are right,with the NR engaged, in my case best result at
> F4-1, every time I move the WIDTH step by step,I hear a "pop" sound at the
> speaker and the audio blanks out for a fraction of a second,no big deal for
> me but the WIDTH tunning is not smooth as it was before,all the other
> functions works ok,maybe Elecraft team will fix this with the next
> upgrade,that's why they want us the beta testers do all the test and let
> them know what is wrong,73
>
> AD4C
>
> "For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"
>
>
>
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alsopb

Re: Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

Retraction. It is evident in the F1-1 through F1-4 modes.
Don't hear it in the >F4 modes.

73 de Brian/K3KO

Brian Alsop wrote:

> I tried looking hard for this in both SSB and CW.
>
> The only pop I hear is when width moves to a new filter.
>
> Is there some other mode that this shows up in?
>
> (Listening in earphones, with AFX off.)
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
>
> Elliott Lawrence wrote:
>> Thanks Hector....Glad it isn't just me being too picky!!!
>>
>> I don't want to reload 3.3 to see the difference. Maybe somewho who
>> hasn't upgraded can check that out.
>>
>> 73
>> Elliott WA6TLA
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hector Padron" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:50 AM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
>>
>>
>> Elliot,I installed my FW 3.44 yesterday and now that you mentioned I
>> gave it a try and your are right,with the NR engaged, in my case best
>> result at F4-1, every time I move the WIDTH step by step,I hear a
>> "pop" sound at the speaker and the audio blanks out for a fraction of
>> a second,no big deal for me but the WIDTH tunning is not smooth as it
>> was before,all the other functions works ok,maybe Elecraft team will
>> fix this with the next upgrade,that's why they want us the beta
>> testers do all the test and let them know what is wrong,73
>>
>> AD4C
>>
>> "For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"
>>
>>
>>
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Grant Youngman

Re: Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

In reply to this post by Mike Harris

I don't think I'd agree that the work that's been done is "frills".
A real problem (my opinion, of course) is just this -- someone gripes
about something. An audio tick, a nit, a nit on a nit. And Elecraft
solves the problem. (Get Yaecomwoodtec to do that!)

I think the real issue has to do with everyone being a designer, a
technical expert (or maybe just a generic "expert") an evaluator, an
auditor. Lyle and Wayne can't do one thing good without someone
finding yet another absurd niggle to complain about. I get the very
real sense that a lot of K3 owners spend all of their time hunting
down things they can request changes in, things that don't fit THEIR
style, things that upset their delicate sensibilities (or delicate
hearing) about what a radio SHOULD be ... It never ends that someone
is posting unhappyness that some button that doesn't do what THEY
think it should do, or gets irritated because they might have to push
it twice, or can't keep their fat fingers off the RIT knob, or ...
something .....

I know it won't end, but it gets mighty tiring just reading this list
some times. Not to mention the multitude of tirades about "problems"
that end up being simple failures to RTFM or just RTF-release notes.

Of course, whatever it is, Elecraft will provide a fix -- even if the
new menu item just becomes a permanent memorial to the one person
unhappy with something :-)

Grant/NQ5T
#2091 with every conceivable option.

On Oct 18, 2009, at 1:21 PM, Mike Harris wrote:

> G'day,
>
> Don't you get the feeling that a six month hold on new frills is in
> order. Polish up what's already there. It's all getting a bit
> manic. I certainly don't need a radio that tries to out guess me.
> Damned if I would want to fly in something that reconfigured itself
> without direct command from the pilot.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike VP8NO
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Elliott Lawrence" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Hector Padron" <[hidden email]>
> Cc: "Elecraft List" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
>
>
>> Thanks Hector....Glad it isn't just me being too picky!!!
>>
>> I don't want to reload 3.3 to see the difference. Maybe somewho
>> who hasn't
>> upgraded can check that out.
>>
>> 73
>> Elliott WA6TLA
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hector Padron" <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 10:50 AM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
>>
>>
>> Elliot,I installed my FW 3.44 yesterday and now that you mentioned
>> I gave it
>> a try and your are right,with the NR engaged, in my case best
>> result at
>> F4-1, every time I move the WIDTH step by step,I hear a "pop"
>> sound at the
>> speaker and the audio blanks out for a fraction of a second,no big
>> deal for
>> me but the WIDTH tunning is not smooth as it was before,all the
>> other
>> functions works ok,maybe Elecraft team will fix this with the next
>> upgrade,that's why they want us the beta testers do all the test
>> and let
>> them know what is wrong,73
>>
>> AD4C
>>
>> "For a refined ham it is compulsory to own a k3"
>
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David Gilbert

Re: Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

In reply to this post by Mike Harris

I'm puzzled. If the "new frills" bother or confuse you, why don't you
simply settle back to whichever firmware version you are comfortable
with and ignore the new ones? The net effect is pretty much the same
for you without sacrificing the changes and upgrades other users are
still anxiously awaiting.

73,
Dave AB7E

Mike Harris wrote:

Julian, G4ILO

Re: Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

This is beta firmware. People are being invited to test it. This is a two way process. If people are being invited to test software, they feel involved in the development process and also feel entitled to make suggestions for improvements. It's only natural that their suggestions reflect their personal interests. It's up to the guys at Elecraft to sort the totally bonkers suggestions from the ones that help make the K3 better, and I think they are doing a good job of that.

Just remember, all the people who are spending valuable operating time downloading and beta testing firmware are helping make a smoother upgrade experience for all those who choose to wait for a final release.

Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222 KX3 #110
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Mike-39

Re: Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

Well said!

Mike NF4L

Julian, G4ILO wrote:

> This is beta firmware. People are being invited to test it. This is a two way
> process. If people are being invited to test software, they feel involved in
> the development process and also feel entitled to make suggestions for
> improvements. It's only natural that their suggestions reflect their
> personal interests. It's up to the guys at Elecraft to sort the totally
> bonkers suggestions from the ones that help make the K3 better, and I think
> they are doing a good job of that.
>
> Just remember, all the people who are spending valuable operating time
> downloading and beta testing firmware are helping make a smoother upgrade
> experience for all those who choose to wait for a final release.
>
> -----
> Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392 K3 #222.
> * G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
> * KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
> * KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html
>
>

Lu Romero - W4LT

Re: Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

In reply to this post by AD4C2009

All:

I don't hear a "POP", but I do sense that what is going on is that the DSP
settings are being "flushed" between settings when you tweak the controls.
There is a short "mute" when the settings are changed, then the audio comes
back up. It also mutes when you press the encoders to change from HI/LO to
Shift/Width.

Change the AGC from slow to fast and turn the BW encoders and you will see
what I mean. The audio "mutes" and then ramps back up after the settings
change.

Its changed the controls from an "analog" feel to a "digital" feel. From a
"infinitely variable" feel to a "discrete step" feel. The analog radio feel
guys may not like it. The digital radio feel folks will just take it in
stride as a digital artifact :)

The positive result of this change is a good thing, however. Now, it takes
less time for a setting to "adapt" when it is changed than it used to.
Before, when you tweaked the encoders, it took a couple of seconds for the
new setting to settle in and take effect. Now, after the "step" to the new
setting, the new DSP setting is immediately applied.

While I don't really like the muting action and the "digital step" feeling,
I like the more immediate setting change as far as its use operationally. I
can live with the muting action if I have to because the operational
advantages outweigh the new "stepped" feel of the controls, but it would be
nice if the audio didn't mute when the controls were adjusted from my
perspective.

On another subject, I completely agree with Ralph 'ZZI 3000% about the
default mode of the B>A function defaulting to match modes on both VFO's!
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE make that change!

-lu-w4lt-
K3 #3192

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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:24:21 +0000
From: Brian Alsop <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
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I tried looking hard for this in both SSB and CW.

The only pop I hear is when width moves to a new filter.

Is there some other mode that this shows up in?

(Listening in earphones, with AFX off.)

73 de Brian/K3KO

Elliott Lawrence wrote:
> Thanks Hector....Glad it isn't just me being too picky!!!
>
> I don't want to reload 3.3 to see the difference. Maybe somewho who hasn't

> upgraded can check that out.
>
> 73
> Elliott WA6TLA

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AD4C2009

Re: Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH

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I back him up as well,I say excellent answer !!

AD4C

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--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Mike <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Mike <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Latest FW 3.44 and the NR/WIDTH
To: "Julian, G4ILO" <[hidden email]>
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Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 10:51 AM

Well said!

Mike NF4L

Julian, G4ILO wrote:

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