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Robert Brock

Leaving the Reflector

After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
has come for me to stop. During this period of time changes that the
Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
Reflector is to be used.

Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from becoming
what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
Reflector was designed to do. They don't know how to follow simple
guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter into
OT subjects. One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through 20
or more responses until Eric is required to intervene. The past week
certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.

In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
directly. My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.

No response is needed nor desired. Let this just stand as posted without
comment. Thank you.

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K2bew

Re: Leaving the Reflector

Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
left, your choice.
Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?

Tom, k2bew

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock <[hidden email]> wrote:

> After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
> has come for me to stop. During this period of time changes that the
> Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
> Reflector is to be used.
>
> Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
> becoming
> what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
> Reflector was designed to do. They don't know how to follow simple
> guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
> into
> OT subjects. One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
> really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
> 20
> or more responses until Eric is required to intervene. The past week
> certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.
>
> In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
> directly. My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
> site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.
>
> No response is needed nor desired. Let this just stand as posted without
> comment. Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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Russ W9RB

Re: Leaving the Reflector

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In reply to this post by Robert Brock

Not trying to start a thread, but just a reminder that you can turn off
email delivery and still remain subscribed to the list. This is what I did long ago.
No emails arrive, but I can scan the posts through nabble, rarely reply to
one, and am still able to post a question if needed.

73, Russ - W9RB

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Carl-N8VZ

Re: Leaving the Reflector

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Or, just ignore the stuff they don’t like. Some OT stuff is kind of fun. If it starts to get annoying. Just delete the thread, or skip over it.

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On Jul 7, 2018, at 6:50 PM, K2bew <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
> everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
> so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
> left, your choice.
> Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?
>
> Tom, k2bew
>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
>> has come for me to stop. During this period of time changes that the
>> Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
>> Reflector is to be used.
>>
>> Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
>> becoming
>> what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
>> Reflector was designed to do. They don't know how to follow simple
>> guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
>> into
>> OT subjects. One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
>> really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
>> 20
>> or more responses until Eric is required to intervene. The past week
>> certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.
>>
>> In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
>> directly. My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
>> site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.
>>
>> No response is needed nor desired. Let this just stand as posted without
>> comment. Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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Ron Genovesi

Re: Leaving the Reflector

Oh Man….The Delete key is all the way up in the top right corner of the keyboard! I sprained my little finger reaching up there one day and I have to tell you, the pain was excruciating!! (:

Ron Genovesi
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> On Jul 7, 2018, at 7:32 PM, Carl Jón Denbow <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Or, just ignore the stuff they don’t like. Some OT stuff is kind of fun. If it starts to get annoying. Just delete the thread, or skip over it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ============================
> Carl Jón Denbow
> P.O. Box 5714
> Athens, Ohio 45701-5714
>
> (740) 591-8471
> ============================
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ===========================
> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
> 17 Coventry Lane
> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> www.n8vz.com <http://www.n8vz.com/>
> EM89wh
>
> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070
>
> PSK and JT65 Forever!
> ===========================
> On Jul 7, 2018, at 6:50 PM, K2bew <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>> Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
>> everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
>> so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
>> left, your choice.
>> Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?
>>
>> Tom, k2bew
>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
>>> has come for me to stop. During this period of time changes that the
>>> Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
>>> Reflector is to be used.
>>>
>>> Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
>>> becoming
>>> what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
>>> Reflector was designed to do. They don't know how to follow simple
>>> guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
>>> into
>>> OT subjects. One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
>>> really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
>>> 20
>>> or more responses until Eric is required to intervene. The past week
>>> certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.
>>>
>>> In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
>>> directly. My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
>>> site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.
>>>
>>> No response is needed nor desired. Let this just stand as posted without
>>> comment. Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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w0mu

Re: Leaving the Reflector

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The delete key is pretty easy to use..

There is way too much good info to leave!

W0MU

On 7/7/2018 8:32 PM, Carl Jón Denbow wrote:

> Or, just ignore the stuff they don’t like. Some OT stuff is kind of fun. If it starts to get annoying. Just delete the thread, or skip over it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ============================
> Carl Jón Denbow
> P.O. Box 5714
> Athens, Ohio 45701-5714
>
> (740) 591-8471
> ============================
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ===========================
> Carl Jón Denbow, N8VZ
> 17 Coventry Lane
> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>
> [hidden email]
> www.n8vz.com
> EM89wh
>
> IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070
>
> PSK and JT65 Forever!
> ===========================
> On Jul 7, 2018, at 6:50 PM, K2bew <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
>> everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
>> so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
>> left, your choice.
>> Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?
>>
>> Tom, k2bew
>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
>>> has come for me to stop. During this period of time changes that the
>>> Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
>>> Reflector is to be used.
>>>
>>> Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
>>> becoming
>>> what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
>>> Reflector was designed to do. They don't know how to follow simple
>>> guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
>>> into
>>> OT subjects. One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
>>> really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
>>> 20
>>> or more responses until Eric is required to intervene. The past week
>>> certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.
>>>
>>> In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
>>> directly. My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
>>> site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.
>>>
>>> No response is needed nor desired. Let this just stand as posted without
>>> comment. Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Bill K9YEQ

Re: Leaving the Reflector

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Exactly. Creating what they complain about. To me... very ignorant.... please forgive

Have a great day,
Bill J

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Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:50:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector

Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
left, your choice.
Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?

Tom, k2bew

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock <[hidden email]> wrote:

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NK7Z

Re: Leaving the Reflector

I am always sad to see a person leave a reflector due to a perception of
bad management. That is one less person that might help someone, or be
helped...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
https://www.nk7z.net

On 07/08/2018 10:37 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:

> Exactly. Creating what they complain about. To me... very ignorant.... please forgive
>
> Have a great day,
> Bill J
>
> ________________________________
> From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> on behalf of K2bew <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:50:24 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Leaving the Reflector
>
> Why do people leaving a list always have to announce it? To make sure
> everyone knows how good they are and how bad everyone else is that's left
> so that we can all feel bad? Sorry I don't, had nothing to do with why you
> left, your choice.
> Why not just unsubscribe without announcing it?
>
> Tom, k2bew
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018, 9:41 AM Robert Brock <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> After almost seven years of reading the Reflector on a daily basis the time
>> has come for me to stop. During this period of time changes that the
>> Reflector has undergone have been significant as to how and when the
>> Reflector is to be used.
>>
>> Long ago Eric set up a set of guidelines to keep the Reflector from
>> becoming
>> what other's have evolved into by some who don't appreciate what the
>> Reflector was designed to do. They don't know how to follow simple
>> guidelines or to focus on posted questions without expanding the matter
>> into
>> OT subjects. One stellar example is how a simple question by someone who
>> really needs assistance quickly morphs out of control and rambles through
>> 20
>> or more responses until Eric is required to intervene. The past week
>> certainly has underscored how out of control the Reflector has become.
>>
>> In the future, should I require assistance, I will simply contact Elecraft
>> directly. My appreciation to Eric and others who have tried to make this
>> site something genuinely useful to Elecraft equipment users.
>>
>> No response is needed nor desired. Let this just stand as posted without
>> comment. Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Leaving the Reflector

Administrator

Thread closed.

I'm also sad to see anyone leave here because they feel postings aer out of
control. While its impossible to totally lock down a list and keep it inviting,
the opposite can also have the same effect. We do our best to keep it
interesting here by moderating only when absolutely needed without using a
strong hand, so please help us out by self moderating.

Many of the responses to the original poster were out of line and in violation
of the reflector guidelines. Please DO NOT personally criticize others for their
postings. Bug the moderator instead.. :-) Please read the list guidelines for
guidance. In general, keep it polite, cordial and friendly.

And yes, please also self limit the number of postings in an OT thread to less
then 3-5 postings in an attempt to keep the majority of postings here Elecraft
related, with a small number of very -short- OT threads allowed if they are of
general interest to this list.

73,
Eric
Moderator, when I'm not working to ship amps and radios ..
/elecraft.com/

On 7/8/2018 10:55 AM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
> I am always sad to see a person leave a reflector due to a perception of bad
> management. That is one less person that might help someone, or be helped...
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> https://www.nk7z.net

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