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K6KV Gary

Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

This is to support a previous suggestion on the reflector, to allow locking the P3 frequency range displayed despite tuning the K3. The defacto mode of draging and skewing the waterfall makes it unrecognizable, losing track of and tune to a new "target" QSO up the band. It would seem much easier if tuning the K3 just moved a marker across an unmoving P3 display. My thoughts are towards operating next Field Day, where I might set the P3 to display, say, 7.025 through 7.075 KHz.

Of course there would need to be a provision for "re-centering" the P3, most likely to a round number, not the actual K3 frequency. For example the P3 could re-set its center to the nearest frequency marker at the top of the the P3. As an example, assume a P3 set to a span of 50 KHz, where its 10 markers at the top would then be spaced 5 KHz apart. Assume a K3 is tuned to 7.048 KHz, and the "re-center" button is pressed. Consistent with the suggestion, then, the center frequency of the P3 would snap to 7.050 KHz, and display a span from 7.025 to 7.075 MHz.

Besides the pile-up value another post suggests for this mode, I see it equally valuable for contests and for looking for an ongoing QSO.
73
Gary K6kV

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Jim Rogers, W4ATK

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

Personally, I would not change a thing. It is exactly what I want in a
panadapter.

73s Jim, W4ATK

On Nov 10, 2010, at 5:57 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> This is to support a previous suggestion on the reflector, to allow
> locking the P3 frequency range displayed despite tuning the K3. The
> defacto mode of draging and skewing the waterfall makes it
> unrecognizable, losing track of and tune to a new "target" QSO up
> the band. It would seem much easier if tuning the K3 just moved a
> marker across an unmoving P3 display. My thoughts are towards
> operating next Field Day, where I might set the P3 to display, say,
> 7.025 through 7.075 KHz.
>
> Of course there would need to be a provision for "re-centering" the
> P3, most likely to a round number, not the actual K3 frequency. For
> example the P3 could re-set its center to the nearest frequency
> marker at the top of the the P3. As an example, assume a P3 set to
> a span of 50 KHz, where its 10 markers at the top would then be
> spaced 5 KHz apart. Assume a K3 is tuned to 7.048 KHz, and the "re-
> center" button is pressed. Consistent with the suggestion, then,
> the center frequency of the P3 would snap to 7.050 KHz, and display
> a span from 7.025 to 7.075 MHz.
>
> Besides the pile-up value another post suggests for this mode, I see
> it equally valuable for contests and for looking for an ongoing QSO.
> 73
> Gary K6kV
>
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Jim Rogers, W4ATK

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by K6KV Gary

Just out of curiosity exactly how would you propose to do this. The IF
is limited by the filter in use and since the P3 operates off of the
IF passband, i may be dense, but I cannot for the life of me see how
this could be done... after thinking about it for a moment or two...
Enlighten a old geezer.... please

73s Jim, W4ATK
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N5GE

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by K6KV Gary

My vote is NO...

Tom
Radio Amateur N5GE
QCWA Member 35102

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:57:30 -0800, [hidden email] wrote:

>This is to support a previous suggestion on the reflector, to allow locking the P3 frequency range displayed despite tuning the K3. The defacto mode of draging and skewing the waterfall makes it unrecognizable, losing track of and tune to a new "target" QSO up the band. It would seem much easier if tuning the K3 just moved a marker across an unmoving P3 display. My thoughts are towards operating next Field Day, where I might set the P3 to display, say, 7.025 through 7.075 KHz.
>
>Of course there would need to be a provision for "re-centering" the P3, most likely to a round number, not the actual K3 frequency. For example the P3 could re-set its center to the nearest frequency marker at the top of the the P3. As an example, assume a P3 set to a span of 50 KHz, where its 10 markers at the top would then be spaced 5 KHz apart. Assume a K3 is tuned to 7.048 KHz, and the "re-center" button is pressed. Consistent with the suggestion, then, the center frequency of the P3 would snap to 7.050 KHz, and display a span from 7.025 to 7.075 MHz.
>
>Besides the pile-up value another post suggests for this mode, I see it equally valuable for contests and for looking for an ongoing QSO.
>73
>Gary K6kV

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The Smiths

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by Jim Rogers, W4ATK

The feature described is something that most of us have been waiting for. Being able to jump around inside a set area and not move the entire display along with it not only makes perfect sense, but is extremely helpful for those that like to know they're not chasing their tails back and forth around the band as they keep tuning in the same signal in a different location on the P3 screen OVER AND OVER again.
Of course Jim, this would be a Feature that could be turned on and off. Nothing has to change for you at all. In the audio world, Locking the "play head" is something we've been doing since the first day digital audio was introduced. Now it's a REQUIREMENT.

> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:38:47 -0600
> CC: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3
>
> Personally, I would not change a thing. It is exactly what I want in a
> panadapter.
>
> 73s Jim, W4ATK
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 5:57 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> > This is to support a previous suggestion on the reflector, to allow
> > locking the P3 frequency range displayed despite tuning the K3. The
> > defacto mode of draging and skewing the waterfall makes it
> > unrecognizable, losing track of and tune to a new "target" QSO up
> > the band. It would seem much easier if tuning the K3 just moved a
> > marker across an unmoving P3 display. My thoughts are towards
> > operating next Field Day, where I might set the P3 to display, say,
> > 7.025 through 7.075 KHz.
> >
> > Of course there would need to be a provision for "re-centering" the
> > P3, most likely to a round number, not the actual K3 frequency. For
> > example the P3 could re-set its center to the nearest frequency
> > marker at the top of the the P3. As an example, assume a P3 set to
> > a span of 50 KHz, where its 10 markers at the top would then be
> > spaced 5 KHz apart. Assume a K3 is tuned to 7.048 KHz, and the "re-
> > center" button is pressed. Consistent with the suggestion, then,
> > the center frequency of the P3 would snap to 7.050 KHz, and display
> > a span from 7.025 to 7.075 MHz.
> >
> > Besides the pile-up value another post suggests for this mode, I see
> > it equally valuable for contests and for looking for an ongoing QSO.
> > 73
> > Gary K6kV
> >
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Gary Gregory

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by N5GE

A 'Nope' from me too please :-)

I didn't think the P3 would be all that important to me, now it is a
fixture, it ain't goin' anywhere.

BUT, I still want to see it monitor the TX audio and CW and although I am
most likely in the minority, it is a personal 'want' and not one that I find
necessary to 'stamp my foot' over :-)

73's
Gary

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <[hidden email]
> wrote:

> My vote is NO...
>
> Tom
> Radio Amateur N5GE
> QCWA Member 35102
>
> On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:57:30 -0800, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> >This is to support a previous suggestion on the reflector, to allow
> locking the P3 frequency range displayed despite tuning the K3. The defacto
> mode of draging and skewing the waterfall makes it unrecognizable, losing
> track of and tune to a new "target" QSO up the band. It would seem much
> easier if tuning the K3 just moved a marker across an unmoving P3 display.
> My thoughts are towards operating next Field Day, where I might set the P3
> to display, say, 7.025 through 7.075 KHz.
> >
> >Of course there would need to be a provision for "re-centering" the P3,
> most likely to a round number, not the actual K3 frequency. For example the
> P3 could re-set its center to the nearest frequency marker at the top of the
> the P3. As an example, assume a P3 set to a span of 50 KHz, where its 10
> markers at the top would then be spaced 5 KHz apart. Assume a K3 is tuned
> to 7.048 KHz, and the "re-center" button is pressed. Consistent with the
> suggestion, then, the center frequency of the P3 would snap to 7.050 KHz,
> and display a span from 7.025 to 7.075 MHz.
> >
> >Besides the pile-up value another post suggests for this mode, I see it
> equally valuable for contests and for looking for an ongoing QSO.
> >73
> >Gary K6kV
>
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k5oai

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by The Smiths

if you look at the frequency you are on
which is plainly displayed
at the center of the top of the P3 screen
you won't have to:

"
> .....chasing their tails back and forth around
> the band as they keep tuning in the same signal in a different location on
> the P3 screen OVER AND OVER again.
>
"

just saying,
that one doesn't seem to hold water for me

GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan

On 11/10/2010 7:04 PM, The Smiths wrote:
>
> The feature described is something that most of us have been waiting for.
> Being able to jump around inside a set area and not move the entire display
> along with it not only makes perfect sense, but is extremely helpful for
> those that like to know they're not chasing their tails back and forth around
> the band as they keep tuning in the same signal in a different location on
> the P3 screen OVER AND OVER again.
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The Smiths

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by Jim Rogers, W4ATK

The IF isn't limited by the filter in use at the time.... As you know the P3 can span an area something like 200KHz wide... It doesn't matter if you have your 500Hz or 200Hz filter on or not, the IF is still looking at the entire 200KHz area. If you lock the P3 than the display will display from 7.000 to 7.050 for example (50KHz).
>From there, as you more the cursor and hit the QSY knob the little cursor line could change colors indicating it is working on that freq (and the rig has changed freq.) but the display doesn't have to change, it stays the same. The only thing that has changed is the color of the cursor, or just the fact that the rig is now parked at the new cursor location.

This would allow you to start at 7.000 and work your way up the IF display till you got to 7.050 and never have to worry about whether or not you've worked the guy that's to the left of your cursor. You would KNOW for sure that you have, because you were already there, and you're continuing moving the cursor up the band display. A great feature for a contester or even someone working DX on a band like 17 or 30 meters CW...

Now, my next question is, Jim, Why did you just disagree with offering this feature, when you didn't even understand how it worked in the first place?

> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:47:02 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3
>
> Just out of curiosity exactly how would you propose to do this. The IF
> is limited by the filter in use and since the P3 operates off of the
> IF passband, i may be dense, but I cannot for the life of me see how
> this could be done... after thinking about it for a moment or two...
> Enlighten a old geezer.... please
>
> 73s Jim, W4ATK
> JIM ROGERS
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wayne burdick

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

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In reply to this post by k5oai

We will be adding this feature to the P3, but its use will be entirely
optional. It will still behave the same way it does now if you don't
turn on fixed-tune mode.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

On Nov 10, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:

> if you look at the frequency you are on
> which is plainly displayed
> at the center of the top of the P3 screen
> you won't have to:
>
> "
>> .....chasing their tails back and forth around
>> the band as they keep tuning in the same signal in a different
>> location on
>> the P3 screen OVER AND OVER again.
>>
> "
>
> just saying,
> that one doesn't seem to hold water for me
>
> GB & 73
> K5OAI
> Sam Morgan
>
> On 11/10/2010 7:04 PM, The Smiths wrote:
>>
>> The feature described is something that most of us have been
>> waiting for.
>> Being able to jump around inside a set area and not move the entire
>> display
>> along with it not only makes perfect sense, but is extremely
>> helpful for
>> those that like to know they're not chasing their tails back and
>> forth around
>> the band as they keep tuning in the same signal in a different
>> location on
>> the P3 screen OVER AND OVER again.
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The Smiths

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by Gary Gregory

Why is it that everybody has to take such extremes with these suggestions.. Why is it that people can't understand that you could so easily have an option in the menu that would lock the display location??
Why is it that people assume that the ENTIRE P3 would be redesigned and rebuilt like an old scope from the 1950's would have to?.... This is software.. options are easy to turn on and off... For those that want something like this, why do others feel they have to "STOP" it from happening??? Okay, you don't want it, so don't turn it on in the menu...

As for your Monitor scope idea, sure, why not, being able to monitor your audio and/or CW signal could be very helpful for some. I would never disagree from having that mode on the box just because I may not use it...

> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:09:13 +0000
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> CC: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3
>
> A 'Nope' from me too please :-)
>
> I didn't think the P3 would be all that important to me, now it is a
> fixture, it ain't goin' anywhere.
>
> BUT, I still want to see it monitor the TX audio and CW and although I am
> most likely in the minority, it is a personal 'want' and not one that I find
> necessary to 'stamp my foot' over :-)
>
> 73's
> Gary
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:53 AM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
>
> > My vote is NO...
> >
> > Tom
> > Radio Amateur N5GE
> > QCWA Member 35102
> >
> > On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:57:30 -0800, [hidden email] wrote:
> >
> > >This is to support a previous suggestion on the reflector, to allow
> > locking the P3 frequency range displayed despite tuning the K3. The defacto
> > mode of draging and skewing the waterfall makes it unrecognizable, losing
> > track of and tune to a new "target" QSO up the band. It would seem much
> > easier if tuning the K3 just moved a marker across an unmoving P3 display.
> > My thoughts are towards operating next Field Day, where I might set the P3
> > to display, say, 7.025 through 7.075 KHz.
> > >
> > >Of course there would need to be a provision for "re-centering" the P3,
> > most likely to a round number, not the actual K3 frequency. For example the
> > P3 could re-set its center to the nearest frequency marker at the top of the
> > the P3. As an example, assume a P3 set to a span of 50 KHz, where its 10
> > markers at the top would then be spaced 5 KHz apart. Assume a K3 is tuned
> > to 7.048 KHz, and the "re-center" button is pressed. Consistent with the
> > suggestion, then, the center frequency of the P3 would snap to 7.050 KHz,
> > and display a span from 7.025 to 7.075 MHz.
> > >
> > >Besides the pile-up value another post suggests for this mode, I see it
> > equally valuable for contests and for looking for an ongoing QSO.
> > >73
> > >Gary K6kV
> >
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k5oai

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

great,
I have no problem with any additions
to the functionality of the K3 or P3.
I love having new features,
having something new to learn is a plus
in every way IMO

I was just simply saying
the idea an op was clueless where they were
when it was written on the screen
right before their eyes,
just didn't make sense to me

the idea of gaining another "feature'
when the ones already present,
weren't being used,
just didn't and doesn't make sense to me

sorry I confused the issue.

more features,
bring them on,
they never seem to come with any detractions
from what we already have
so why not.....

GB & 73
K5OAI
Sam Morgan

On 11/10/2010 7:16 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> We will be adding this feature to the P3, but its use will be entirely
> optional. It will still behave the same way it does now if you don't turn on
> fixed-tune mode.
>
> 73, Wayne N6KR
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Sam Morgan wrote:
>
>> if you look at the frequency you are on which is plainly displayed at the
>> center of the top of the P3 screen you won't have to:
>>
>> "
>>> .....chasing their tails back and forth around the band as they keep
>>> tuning in the same signal in a different location on the P3 screen OVER
>>> AND OVER again.
>>>
>> "
>>
>> just saying, that one doesn't seem to hold water for me
>>
>> GB & 73 K5OAI Sam Morgan
>>
>> On 11/10/2010 7:04 PM, The Smiths wrote:
>>>
>>> The feature described is something that most of us have been waiting
>>> for. Being able to jump around inside a set area and not move the entire
>>> display along with it not only makes perfect sense, but is extremely
>>> helpful for those that like to know they're not chasing their tails back
>>> and forth around the band as they keep tuning in the same signal in a
>>> different location on the P3 screen OVER AND OVER again.

Chester Alderman

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by The Smiths

I think you are speaking for yourself again? I seriously doubt 'most' of us
want this changed. This is a P3, made by Elecraft and it is not a screen
from past experiences. It would be much more useful if owners would get used
to the 'new' way a panadapter works instead of asking the Elecraft folks to
just copy something because you are too (whatever) to learn something new!

Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of The Smiths
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:04 PM
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

The feature described is something that most of us have been waiting for.
Being able to jump around inside a set area and not move the entire display
along with it not only makes perfect sense, but is extremely helpful for
those that like to know they're not chasing their tails back and forth
around the band as they keep tuning in the same signal in a different
location on the P3 screen OVER AND OVER again.
Of course Jim, this would be a Feature that could be turned on and off.
Nothing has to change for you at all. In the audio world, Locking the
"play head" is something we've been doing since the first day digital audio
was introduced. Now it's a REQUIREMENT.

K6KV Gary

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

As a new subscriber I didn't want to stir up a hornet's nest, but rather to
express, from my 55 years of contesting, DX'ing, and band surfing, that the
exceptional P3 has a rather glaring need for an optional display anchor.

73, Gary, K6KV

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tommy Alderman
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 7:44 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

I think you are speaking for yourself again? I seriously doubt 'most' of us
want this changed. This is a P3, made by Elecraft and it is not a screen
from past experiences. It would be much more useful if owners would get used
to the 'new' way a panadapter works instead of asking the Elecraft folks to
just copy something because you are too (whatever) to learn something new!

Tom - W4BQF

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of The Smiths
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:04 PM
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

The feature described is something that most of us have been waiting for.
Being able to jump around inside a set area and not move the entire display
along with it not only makes perfect sense, but is extremely helpful for
those that like to know they're not chasing their tails back and forth
around the band as they keep tuning in the same signal in a different
location on the P3 screen OVER AND OVER again.
Of course Jim, this would be a Feature that could be turned on and off.
Nothing has to change for you at all. In the audio world, Locking the
"play head" is something we've been doing since the first day digital audio
was introduced. Now it's a REQUIREMENT.

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Gary Gregory

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

And I couldn't give a hoot what is added..more the better..but for me I
don't feel I 'would' use the feature so I am neutral on whether it appears
or not.

But, sometimes I cop those pesky incoming's and so i keep my flame suit at
the ready every time I post a comment. At least I am getting my money's
worth :-)

Oh, and no I am not being sarcastic or whatever, just highly amused coz I
got too much time on my hands.

Speaking of using the P3, I placed a single CQ the other night and worked
over 100 stations and so would not have used the proposed feature and as I
don't get too serious in contests I don't feel I 'need' the feature either.

Having said all this, I would not want to see others wanting this feature to
miss out.

Aaah..nuff bandwidth used

my 2 cents worth..ya'all can keep the change :-)

73's back to the pile-up

Gary

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:14 AM, Gary Gordon <[hidden email]> wrote:

> As a new subscriber I didn't want to stir up a hornet's nest, but rather to
> express, from my 55 years of contesting, DX'ing, and band surfing, that the
> exceptional P3 has a rather glaring need for an optional display anchor.
>
> 73, Gary, K6KV
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tommy Alderman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 7:44 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3
>
> I think you are speaking for yourself again? I seriously doubt 'most' of us
> want this changed. This is a P3, made by Elecraft and it is not a screen
> from past experiences. It would be much more useful if owners would get
> used
> to the 'new' way a panadapter works instead of asking the Elecraft folks to
> just copy something because you are too (whatever) to learn something new!
>
> Tom - W4BQF
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of The Smiths
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:04 PM
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3
>
>
> The feature described is something that most of us have been waiting for.
> Being able to jump around inside a set area and not move the entire display
> along with it not only makes perfect sense, but is extremely helpful for
> those that like to know they're not chasing their tails back and forth
> around the band as they keep tuning in the same signal in a different
> location on the P3 screen OVER AND OVER again.
> Of course Jim, this would be a Feature that could be turned on and off.
> Nothing has to change for you at all. In the audio world, Locking the
> "play head" is something we've been doing since the first day digital audio
> was introduced. Now it's a REQUIREMENT.
>
>
>
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:38:47 -0600
> > CC: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3
> >
> > Personally, I would not change a thing. It is exactly what I want in a
> > panadapter.
> >
> > 73s Jim, W4ATK
> >
> >
> > On Nov 10, 2010, at 5:57 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> >
> > > This is to support a previous suggestion on the reflector, to allow
> > > locking the P3 frequency range displayed despite tuning the K3. The
> > > defacto mode of draging and skewing the waterfall makes it
> > > unrecognizable, losing track of and tune to a new "target" QSO up
> > > the band. It would seem much easier if tuning the K3 just moved a
> > > marker across an unmoving P3 display. My thoughts are towards
> > > operating next Field Day, where I might set the P3 to display, say,
> > > 7.025 through 7.075 KHz.
> > >
> > > Of course there would need to be a provision for "re-centering" the
> > > P3, most likely to a round number, not the actual K3 frequency. For
> > > example the P3 could re-set its center to the nearest frequency
> > > marker at the top of the the P3. As an example, assume a P3 set to
> > > a span of 50 KHz, where its 10 markers at the top would then be
> > > spaced 5 KHz apart. Assume a K3 is tuned to 7.048 KHz, and the "re-
> > > center" button is pressed. Consistent with the suggestion, then,
> > > the center frequency of the P3 would snap to 7.050 KHz, and display
> > > a span from 7.025 to 7.075 MHz.
> > >
> > > Besides the pile-up value another post suggests for this mode, I see
> > > it equally valuable for contests and for looking for an ongoing QSO.
> > > 73
> > > Gary K6kV
> > >
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Doug Turnbull

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by N5GE

Hi All,
This is an aspect of the Orion II which beats the present K3. When one
tunes the VFO the display remains steady for a period of time and the cursor
moves across a frozen display in sync with the VFO. Once one stops tuning
the VFO the display is no longer frozen. It does help in manually tuning
the VFO rather than using the cursor to move to a different point in the
displayed spectrum. I would like to see this change introduced. Boy oh
boy a company which improves previously sold product!

73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Amateur Radio
Operator N5GE
Sent: 11 November 2010 00:53
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

My vote is NO...

Tom
Radio Amateur N5GE
QCWA Member 35102

On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:57:30 -0800, [hidden email] wrote:

>This is to support a previous suggestion on the reflector, to allow locking
the P3 frequency range displayed despite tuning the K3. The defacto mode of
draging and skewing the waterfall makes it unrecognizable, losing track of
and tune to a new "target" QSO up the band. It would seem much easier if
tuning the K3 just moved a marker across an unmoving P3 display. My
thoughts are towards operating next Field Day, where I might set the P3 to
display, say, 7.025 through 7.075 KHz.
>
>Of course there would need to be a provision for "re-centering" the P3,
most likely to a round number, not the actual K3 frequency. For example the
P3 could re-set its center to the nearest frequency marker at the top of the
the P3. As an example, assume a P3 set to a span of 50 KHz, where its 10
markers at the top would then be spaced 5 KHz apart. Assume a K3 is tuned
to 7.048 KHz, and the "re-center" button is pressed. Consistent with the
suggestion, then, the center frequency of the P3 would snap to 7.050 KHz,
and display a span from 7.025 to 7.075 MHz.
>
>Besides the pile-up value another post suggests for this mode, I see it
equally valuable for contests and for looking for an ongoing QSO.
>73
>Gary K6kV

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Jim Rogers, W4ATK

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by The Smiths

Because I am old and crotchety and prone to mistakes. Mea Culpa.

Jim, W4ATK

On Nov 10, 2010, at 7:13 PM, The Smiths wrote:

> The IF isn't limited by the filter in use at the time.... As you
> know the P3 can span an area something like 200KHz wide... It
> doesn't matter if you have your 500Hz or 200Hz filter on or not, the
> IF is still looking at the entire 200KHz area. If you lock the P3
> than the display will display from 7.000 to 7.050 for example (50KHz).
> From there, as you more the cursor and hit the QSY knob the little
> cursor line could change colors indicating it is working on that
> freq (and the rig has changed freq.) but the display doesn't have to
> change, it stays the same. The only thing that has changed is the
> color of the cursor, or just the fact that the rig is now parked at
> the new cursor location.
>
> This would allow you to start at 7.000 and work your way up the IF
> display till you got to 7.050 and never have to worry about whether
> or not you've worked the guy that's to the left of your cursor. You
> would KNOW for sure that you have, because you were already there,
> and you're continuing moving the cursor up the band display. A great
> feature for a contester or even someone working DX on a band like 17
> or 30 meters CW...
>
> Now, my next question is, Jim, Why did you just disagree with
> offering this feature, when you didn't even understand how it worked
> in the first place?
>
>
>
>
>
> > From: [hidden email]
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:47:02 -0600
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3
> >
> > Just out of curiosity exactly how would you propose to do this.
> The IF
> > is limited by the filter in use and since the P3 operates off of the
> > IF passband, i may be dense, but I cannot for the life of me see how
> > this could be done... after thinking about it for a moment or two...
> > Enlighten a old geezer.... please
> >
> > 73s Jim, W4ATK
> > JIM ROGERS
> > [hidden email]
> > http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk
> >
> >
> >
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AB3EN

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by wayne burdick

"We will be adding this feature to the P3, but its use will be entirely
optional. It will still behave the same way it does now if you don't
turn on fixed-tune mode. "

Thank you Wayne!
This is why I have a K3 on my desk!!!!!

73
Dan

Dan AB3EN

Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

Administrator

In reply to this post by The Smiths

We are already working on this as a user selectable P3 display mode.
Either a moving panoramic display centered on your operating frequency,
as it is now, or a fixed frequency display centered where you wish.
Easily toggled between either mode.

Stay tuned.

73, Eric

On 11/10/2010 5:04 PM, The Smiths wrote:
> The feature described is something that most of us have been waiting for. Being able to jump around inside a set area and not move the entire display along with it not only makes perfect sense, but is extremely helpful for those that like to know they're not chasing their tails back and forth around the band as they keep tuning in the same signal in a different location on the P3 screen OVER AND OVER again.
> Of course Jim, this would be a Feature that could be turned on and off. Nothing has to change for you at all. In the audio world, Locking the "play head" is something we've been doing since the first day digital audio was introduced. Now it's a REQUIREMENT.
>
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Jack Brabham KZ5A

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

In reply to this post by K6KV Gary

I would really like to see something done along this line. It would
significantly improve the utility of the pan-adapter.

Another possibility would be to move the waterfall along with the pan
display and just move in blank data for the missing waterfall data.

This would be handy during SO2V contesting when running toward one end
of the band segment and S&P'ing the whole segment.

73 Jack KZ5A

On 11/10/2010 5:57 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

> This is to support a previous suggestion on the reflector, to allow locking the P3 frequency range displayed despite tuning the K3. The defacto mode of draging and skewing the waterfall makes it unrecognizable, losing track of and tune to a new "target" QSO up the band. It would seem much easier if tuning the K3 just moved a marker across an unmoving P3 display. My thoughts are towards operating next Field Day, where I might set the P3 to display, say, 7.025 through 7.075 KHz.
>
> Of course there would need to be a provision for "re-centering" the P3, most likely to a round number, not the actual K3 frequency. For example the P3 could re-set its center to the nearest frequency marker at the top of the the P3. As an example, assume a P3 set to a span of 50 KHz, where its 10 markers at the top would then be spaced 5 KHz apart. Assume a K3 is tuned to 7.048 KHz, and the "re-center" button is pressed. Consistent with the suggestion, then, the center frequency of the P3 would snap to 7.050 KHz, and display a span from 7.025 to 7.075 MHz.
>
> Besides the pile-up value another post suggests for this mode, I see it equally valuable for contests and for looking for an ongoing QSO.
> 73
> Gary K6kV
>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: Lock P3 frequency range independent of K3

Jack,

See Wayne's response less than 2 hours ago - it is coming.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 11/11/2010 8:54 PM, Jack Brabham wrote:
> I would really like to see something done along this line. It would
> significantly improve the utility of the pan-adapter.
>
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