MFJ's new Internal K3 Tuner, anyone tried one yet?

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ]

And with that, let's close the thread at this time, inthe interest of releiving
other list readers from single topic overload.

See you all at Dayton!

73,
Eric
List moderator -  and Elecraft cheerleader, from time to time. Especially this
weekend..
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On 5/12/2015 6:40 PM, Jeff Stai wrote:
> Being cloned? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. This checkbox
> had to be on Eric's list of goals especially considering his career prior
> to Elecraft. ;) congratulations! 73 jeff wk6i
>
>

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Sorry Joe, I almost never disagree with your take on things but ...  my
company lawyers always told me that engineering a design which copies or
even draws from a copyrighted design [schematic, manual, software, etc]
is truly dicey, the dicey-ness of which is often plays out in a
courtroom at great expense to everyone except the lawyers.  Patent
involvement, or even the suggestion of it, cubes the coefficient of
dicey-ness.

This is clearly something one could do by duplicating the schematics but
I wonder, "What were they thinking?"  Elecraft will do what they choose
to do, I believe their manuals and schematics have a copyright notice,
but I won't guess.  I have the KAT3, it's a non-issue for me.

73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 5/12/2015 4:25 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

> Nothing dicey about it ... MFJ doesn't even need to know anything
> about the tuning algorithms or controls.  The K3 CPU controls both
> the tuner L/C values and the antenna selection via a serial bus
> and series of serial to parallel shift registers/latches.  The only
> "engineering" MFJ needed to do was copy Elecraft's KAT3 schematic.
> The only "value engineering" is to do what Elecraft does at lower
> production costs and perhaps loser cost parts.
>
> The real question is the ethics (and legality) of copying Elecraft's
> schematic.  The only way the MFJ tuner works properly is if it copies
> the L/C values and controls exactly.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
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On 2015-05-12 10:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
 > Sorry Joe, I almost never disagree with your take on things but

By "dicey" I was referring to difficult from a production viewpoint
and nothing questionable about being able to work with the K3.  I
Certainly agree that cloning the schematic is ethically bankrupt
and Elecraft should see that MFJ make some lawyers very wealthy.
Unfortunately, the effort to do so would probably divert too many
Elecraft resources from the next big thing.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 2015-05-12 10:35 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> Sorry Joe, I almost never disagree with your take on things but ...  my
> company lawyers always told me that engineering a design which copies or
> even draws from a copyrighted design [schematic, manual, software, etc]
> is truly dicey, the dicey-ness of which is often plays out in a
> courtroom at great expense to everyone except the lawyers.  Patent
> involvement, or even the suggestion of it, cubes the coefficient of
> dicey-ness.
>
> This is clearly something one could do by duplicating the schematics but
> I wonder, "What were they thinking?"  Elecraft will do what they choose
> to do, I believe their manuals and schematics have a copyright notice,
> but I won't guess.  I have the KAT3, it's a non-issue for me.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred K6DGW
> - Northern California Contest Club
> - CU in the 50th Running of the Cal QSO Party 3-4 Oct 2015
> - www.cqp.org
>
> On 5/12/2015 4:25 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> Nothing dicey about it ... MFJ doesn't even need to know anything
>> about the tuning algorithms or controls.  The K3 CPU controls both
>> the tuner L/C values and the antenna selection via a serial bus
>> and series of serial to parallel shift registers/latches.  The only
>> "engineering" MFJ needed to do was copy Elecraft's KAT3 schematic.
>> The only "value engineering" is to do what Elecraft does at lower
>> production costs and perhaps loser cost parts.
>>
>> The real question is the ethics (and legality) of copying Elecraft's
>> schematic.  The only way the MFJ tuner works properly is if it copies
>> the L/C values and controls exactly.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
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