Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility
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Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility
 
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I assume you mean that has been compiled for, as if you can compile it
you can probably compile if for many different architectures. However ARM is not a single machine type. There are many different ARM family devices with different instruction sets. You would probably want a specific Raspberry Pi build. On 27/03/2019 22:13, Andy McMullin wrote: > I wonder if a better answer would be to push for versions of the utilities that compile on an ARM chip so that it could be run on a Raspberry Pi. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility
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My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities
is "in the making". But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the current Utility will not work on the next OS release. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: > Guys; > > Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us “insiders” also. This is something that will be addressed in due time. > > 73! > Jack, W6FB > >> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> It’s kind of the way things go. I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can’t. Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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K3 Utility is 64 bit version but other Elecraft utilities are 32 bit version.
So, I guess the 32 bit versions will be migrated to 64 bit version later but before the future MacOS is released. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > 2019/03/29 0:17、Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>のメール: > > My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is "in the making". > But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the current Utility will not work on the next OS release. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >> Guys; >> Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us “insiders” also. This is something that will be addressed in due time. >> 73! >> Jack, W6FB >>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> It’s kind of the way things go. I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can’t. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility
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I’m sorry Keith but is there any evidence to support that assertion. That a 64 bit version will be available before the next MacOS revision is released?
I know it’s a nice thing to think. But have the developers said that’s what’s happening? They seem to be completely missing from this thread. I’m sure there’s something in the works but I see nothing from the developers themselves to say so and the next version of MacOS seems to be only weeks away. Sent from my iPhone > On 29 Mar 2019, at 20:22, Keith Onishi <[hidden email]> wrote: > > K3 Utility is 64 bit version but other Elecraft utilities are 32 bit version. > So, I guess the 32 bit versions will be migrated to 64 bit version later but before the future MacOS is released. > > 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > >> 2019/03/29 0:17、Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>のメール: >> >> My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is "in the making". >> But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the current Utility will not work on the next OS release. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >>> Guys; >>> Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us “insiders” also. This is something that will be addressed in due time. >>> 73! >>> Jack, W6FB >>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> It’s kind of the way things go. I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can’t. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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No, I just “hoped”.
In general, one can wait updating an operating system until his/her essential softwares become compatible to the new version of operating system. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > 2019/03/30 7:56、Andy McMullin <[hidden email]>のメール: > > I’m sorry Keith but is there any evidence to support that assertion. That a 64 bit version will be available before the next MacOS revision is released? > > I know it’s a nice thing to think. But have the developers said that’s what’s happening? They seem to be completely missing from this thread. > > I’m sure there’s something in the works but I see nothing from the developers themselves to say so and the next version of MacOS seems to be only weeks away. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 29 Mar 2019, at 20:22, Keith Onishi <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> K3 Utility is 64 bit version but other Elecraft utilities are 32 bit version. >> So, I guess the 32 bit versions will be migrated to 64 bit version later but before the future MacOS is released. >> >> 73 de JH3SIF, Keith >> >>> 2019/03/29 0:17、Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>のメール: >>> >>> My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is "in the making". >>> But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the current Utility will not work on the next OS release. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >>>> Guys; >>>> Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us “insiders” also. This is something that will be addressed in due time. >>>> 73! >>>> Jack, W6FB >>>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It’s kind of the way things go. I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can’t. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility
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Unless you are a developer, weeks is measured in double digits. The new version of macOS will presumably be announced at Apple’s WWDC in San Jose the first week of June. It will not be out as a full release until September or October which is the real time frame of concern. Unless you value your data, do not run any of the betas unless you really need to, and then only with data you are willing to lose. As a long-time Macintosh developer I speak from extensive experience here.
I am sure the Elecraft Utilities will be updated in time for this event as needed. After all, until Apple tells us what is going on, we don’t really know anything, right? By the way, there are some far more important issues that we are watching, such as the very mysterious notarization system and when it might be required. 73, Jack, W6FB > On Mar 29, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Andy McMullin via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I’m sorry Keith but is there any evidence to support that assertion. That a 64 bit version will be available before the next MacOS revision is released? > > I know it’s a nice thing to think. But have the developers said that’s what’s happening? They seem to be completely missing from this thread. > > I’m sure there’s something in the works but I see nothing from the developers themselves to say so and the next version of MacOS seems to be only weeks away. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 29 Mar 2019, at 20:22, Keith Onishi <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> K3 Utility is 64 bit version but other Elecraft utilities are 32 bit version. >> So, I guess the 32 bit versions will be migrated to 64 bit version later but before the future MacOS is released. >> >> 73 de JH3SIF, Keith >> >>> 2019/03/29 0:17、Don Wilhelm <[hidden email]>のメール: >>> >>> My understanding is that a 64 bit version of the Mac and Linux Utilities is "in the making". >>> But for now, you will have to put up with the messages from Apple that the current Utility will not work on the next OS release. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>>> On 3/27/2019 7:15 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote: >>>> Guys; >>>> Realize that Mac versions of the utilities are important to us “insiders” also. This is something that will be addressed in due time. >>>> 73! >>>> Jack, W6FB >>>>> On Mar 27, 2019, at 2:28 PM, Grant Youngman <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It’s kind of the way things go. I’d like to be able to run some 8-bit Z-80 apps I wrote in the 1970’s (in FORTH) without pulling my old Digital Group system out of the attic, but I can’t. >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:[hidden email] >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility
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In addition to Elecraft's Mac software, I have expensive apps that will
not work under the next Mac OS. They work for me fine now and I don't want to spend thousands of dollars to upgrade to new versions of those apps just so they will work under the next Mac OS. I don't need no stinkin' new version of Mac OS, so I will stick with the current version and have disabled the "automatically keep my Mac up to date" function so that a new OS isn't installed behind my back. Stan, WA1LOU ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
Re: Macintosh version of Elecraft KX3 Utility
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Andy:
> On Mar 29, 2019, at 5:56 PM, Andy McMullin via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote: snip... > > > > I’m sure there’s something in the works but I see nothing from the developers themselves to say so and the next version of MacOS seems to be only weeks away. Apple has a tradition of announcing the next release of Operating Systems (eg. macOS, iOS, WatchOS. tvOS, etc.) at the annual World Wide Developers Conference (WWDC) that takes place in June. This year’s event is scheduled for 3-7 Jun 19 in San Jose. Traditionally, WWDC is an opportunity for announcing upcoming product releases for both software and hardware products. Typically, software announcements made in June are not actually released until late September or early October. This has been the case for a number of years. Consequently, while Apple has already made it clear (back in 2017) to software developers that the 2019 release of macOS (v10.15) will not support 32-bit applications (in the hope that the ‘heads up’ will prompt them to update their software), little else has been revealed about what enhancements/improvements will be incorporated into the 2019 release of macOS. These new features/enhancements will likely be touted at the next WWDC. In any event, don’t expect ’the next version of macOS (e.g. v10.15) to be available until the Fall, though security and other incremental updates to the current version (macOS 10.14.x) will likely take place before the next major release. This week Apple released incremental updates for MacOS (v10.14.4). iOS (v12.2), watchOS (v5.2) and tvOS (v12.2). Hopefully, the next six months before actual OS Product release will give time to developers to update their software. That said, it is also true that developers may decide NOT to update their software for whatever reason (cost, changing marketplace, gone out-of-business, other priorities, etc.). iOS went through a similar OS update in 2016 when iOS v11 was released removing 32-bit app support. Apple announced in October 2014 that iOS would no longer 32-bit apps in future iOS versions. A number of iOS apps I was using were no longer usable with v11.x and the developers did not release a 64-bit version. Fortunately, I had moved my data from those apps because iOS v10.3 that came out in January 2017 had provided a ‘heads up’ that apps that I had would not work with the next update. That gave me time to make a less frantic transition before iOS v11.0 (64-bit apps only) was released in Fall 2017. Of course, consumers are not required to update whatever macOS is applicable to their products if favorite software will not work with the an OS update. It is also true that as products get older they may no longer be eligible for OS updates anyway. I’m running macOS v10.13.6 on my 2010 MacPro instead of macOS 10.14.x because the video card is not capable of handling ‘dark mode’ that is part of macOS v10.14.x and there isn’t a current generation after-market video card suitable for my MacPro that retains full Mac Video functionality. There are video cards out there that can be physically installed, but they don’t have Mac drivers native to them. Of course, Windows users are not necessarily out-of-the-woods when it comes to OS changes. With the ‘end of life’ for Windows 7 in January 2020, many individuals who have this OS (including yours truly) will need to decide next steps regarding their trusty PCs or virtual machines still running this software. I saw one estimate that 40% of currently active PCs are running Win7. Whereas Apple provides OS updates/upgrades for free, Microsoft is not as generous. Those that have Win 7 PCs or VMs that are capable of running Win10 will need to decide whether to invest the $139.00 to download an upgrade to Win10 or perhaps convert to Windows 8 (support lasts to 10 JAN 23). Those with PCs that are not compatible with a newer OS will have to determine whether to invest in newer hardware.. One alternative to not upgrading is to pay a monthly subscriber fee (that will increase each year; specific pricing to be announced) to continue to receive Win 7 security updates starting in Januay for up to three years . Of course, converting to Win10 also encompasses a ‘learning curve’ given that Microsoft decided to update the ‘look and feel’ (for whatever reason) such that someone familiar with Win7 has to learn how Win10 is organized/functions. I ended up putting a Win7 “Classic Shell” on a Dell laptop running Win10 so that i didn’t have to be ‘reprogrammed’ in order to manage/utilize it. Given that Apple has not altered the ‘essentials’ of using macOS as annual upgrades are released (for free), my preference will continue to be Apple, recognizing that for certain functions, Windows OS is necessary. “Aging Obsolescence” is a continuing challenge with electronics that continues to function but no longer meets current technical ‘expectations.’ FWIW, Barry Baines, WD4ASW Keller, TX > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html |
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