Magic CW box and PIC programming

[PA3CW]

Hi All,

I still walk around with my idea of building a little box with 6 to 8 stereo jacks on the front and one or two outputs to key-in to tranceiver(s).  The idea is that everybody wires a key or paddle differently. (straight key to tip, sleeve or both;  single paddle to tip, sleave or both;  double paddle left to tip right to sleeve or just other way around)?

The idea is to plug in the key or paddle, push key down for a sec or tip paddle left-right and the little box automatically discovers how the input is wired.  All inputs are matched to the respective outputs without having to take a soldering iron.

My idea is to program this in PIC but....i am no PIC programmer. Bought a compiler but was very disencouraged after printing centimeters of manual. Maybe PIC expeter CW operators on the line?

Let me know your thoughts
Thanks,
Dick PA3CW

[pd0psb]

Seems like a perfect box for W4TV's solutions
(may be contact him directly?)

btw: Any luck with the HW8?  :-)

73'
Paul
PD0PSB

PA3CW wrote

Hi All,

I still walk around with my idea of building a little box with 6 to 8 stereo jacks on the front and one or two outputs to key-in to tranceiver(s).  The idea is that everybody wires a key or paddle differently. (straight key to tip, sleeve or both;  single paddle to tip, sleave or both;  double paddle left to tip right to sleeve or just other way around)?

The idea is to plug in the key or paddle, push key down for a sec or tip paddle left-right and the little box automatically discovers how the input is wired.  All inputs are matched to the respective outputs without having to take a soldering iron.

My idea is to program this in PIC but....i am no PIC programmer. Bought a compiler but was very disencouraged after printing centimeters of manual. Maybe PIC expeter CW operators on the line?

Let me know your thoughts
Thanks,
Dick PA3CW

[Julian, G4ILO]

Wouldn't a small break-out box type device with a couple of computer-style jumpers be the easiest solution?

[Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2]

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Hi Dick,

You can 'PIC' just about anything. But in this case I will change the
connection of a few wires if necessary using a soldering iron.
Simple solution for a simple problem.

73
Arie PA3A




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<<I still walk around with my idea of building a little box with 6 to 8
stereo
jacks on the front and one or two outputs to key-in to tranceiver(s).  The
idea is that everybody wires a key or paddle differently. (straight key to
tip, sleeve or both;  single paddle to tip, sleave or both;  double paddle
left to tip right to sleeve or just other way around)?

Let me know your thoughts
Thanks,
Dick PA3CW  >>


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[Joe Subich, W4TV-4]

No PIC or microcontroller routine is going to be able to
distinguish between paddles with the left paddle connected
to the tip and those with the right paddle connected to the
tip.  

I agree with Ron, build a box with two toggle switches
(or sets of jumpers) per jack:
  1) a DPDT switch to reverse tip and ring,  This handles
     the "left/right paddle on tip" and "straight key on
     the ring" issues
  2) a SPDT switch to connect the ring "through" or to
     the sleeve (ground).  This handles straight keys
     using a mono plug or straight keys connected
     between tip and ring.

These two switches (with a stereo input jack and a stereo
plug to the rig or keyer) handle any possible combination
of key and connections I can imagine.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ron
> D'Eau Claire
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:39 PM
> To: 'Arie Kleingeld PA3A'; [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Magic CW box and PIC programming
>
>
> I agree Arnie, if I'm setting up stuff to operate in my own
> shack. However, if I wanted to be able to use my rig with
> various other people's keys an easy-to-configure interface
> box would be very attractive.
>
> I would opt for a box with the connectors Dick mentions, but
> with a few mini toggle switches to make the connections to
> the various outputs to the rigs as needed.
>
> Guess that's the difference in outlook between "hardware"
> types like me and "software" types, Hi!
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Hi Dick,
>
> You can 'PIC' just about anything. But in this case I will
> change the connection of a few wires if necessary using a
> soldering iron. Simple solution for a simple problem.
>
> 73
> Arie PA3A
>
>
> -------------
>
> <<I still walk around with my idea of building a little box
> with 6 to 8 stereo jacks on the front and one or two outputs
> to key-in to tranceiver(s).  The idea is that everybody wires
> a key or paddle differently. (straight key to tip, sleeve or
> both;  single paddle to tip, sleave or both;  double paddle
> left to tip right to sleeve or just other way around)?
>
> Let me know your thoughts
> Thanks,
> Dick PA3CW  >>
>
>
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[PA3CW]

Of course it is possible to distinguish between dot left or right.  My idea is: press the "P" (program button) on the "magic box", then sequence key the paddle with dot button first then dah button. The pic can read the sequence and decide which one is dot and which one is dah, in other words, shoud the input be connected to the output 1 to one or should the wires be crossed?
It is fun to design such a box with logic inside. Easy to do with switches, but that is not the idea. Just plug in, pres the P button and key down a straight key or paddle dit dah. The box recognizes the contacts and connects to the output accordingly ;).
Dick PA3CW

Joe Subich, W4TV-4 wrote

No PIC or microcontroller routine is going to be able to
distinguish between paddles with the left paddle connected
to the tip and those with the right paddle connected to the
tip.  

I agree with Ron, build a box with two toggle switches
(or sets of jumpers) per jack:
  1) a DPDT switch to reverse tip and ring,  This handles
     the "left/right paddle on tip" and "straight key on
     the ring" issues
  2) a SPDT switch to connect the ring "through" or to
     the sleeve (ground).  This handles straight keys
     using a mono plug or straight keys connected
     between tip and ring.

These two switches (with a stereo input jack and a stereo
plug to the rig or keyer) handle any possible combination
of key and connections I can imagine.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Ron
> D'Eau Claire
> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 12:39 PM
> To: 'Arie Kleingeld PA3A'; [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Magic CW box and PIC programming
>
>
> I agree Arnie, if I'm setting up stuff to operate in my own
> shack. However, if I wanted to be able to use my rig with
> various other people's keys an easy-to-configure interface
> box would be very attractive.
>
> I would opt for a box with the connectors Dick mentions, but
> with a few mini toggle switches to make the connections to
> the various outputs to the rigs as needed.
>
> Guess that's the difference in outlook between "hardware"
> types like me and "software" types, Hi!
>
> Ron AC7AC
>
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Hi Dick,
>
> You can 'PIC' just about anything. But in this case I will
> change the connection of a few wires if necessary using a
> soldering iron. Simple solution for a simple problem.
>
> 73
> Arie PA3A
>
>
> -------------
>
> < with 6 to 8 stereo jacks on the front and one or two outputs
> to key-in to tranceiver(s).  The idea is that everybody wires
> a key or paddle differently. (straight key to tip, sleeve or
> both;  single paddle to tip, sleave or both;  double paddle
> left to tip right to sleeve or just other way around)?
>
> Let me know your thoughts
> Thanks,
> Dick PA3CW  >>
>
>
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