Microphone for K2
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As some of you know, I'm in the pro audio business, so microphones are
something I know a bit about. :) At a recent hamfest, I bought three variations of Plantronics headsets made for use with cellphones. I paid $5 each; in a store they would likely fetch $15-$25. I've seen similar Plantronics models at Fry's Electronics, packaged for use with VOIP into a computer sound card, for $25. For those of you who don't know, Plantronics is the originator of the miniature "Starset" headsets for telecommunications decades ago. They're a publically traded US company. Over the past two weeks, I've made adapters to use these headset/mic combos with my laptop for Echolink and VOIP, and also to run into my ham rigs. I haven't done one yet for the K2, but I just did one for the Icom 746 that I use on six meters. I am VERY pleased with the result -- on the air reports from critical listeners tell me that I have clean, punchy audio, the emphasized high end that works for good communications quality, and no breathe pops. The wiring to make these mics work with a K2 is quite simple. First, you need to cut off the plug and identify which conductors go to the mic and earphone. On my Plantronics units, white is the mic, red is the earphone, blue is common, and there is an overall shield that should be tied to the mic connector shell. To get bias for the mic element, add a 2.2K resistor between +8v and the white wire. If you want the earphone to work, you'll have to either bring receive audio to the connector or put a second connector on the mic to go to the headphone jack. If you're adapting it to a typical computer sound card, you'll also want the 2.2K resistor from wherever it shows up on the computer's mic input to the "hot" mic lead. It's no problem fitting a low wattage resistor into a Switchcraft 1/8" plug. It's trickier fitting it into the 8-pin plug used on the K2. Jim Brown K9YC _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Jim,
The American economy will suffer ! You were not supposed to let the "cat out of the bag" about "expensive" ham microphones. Before you know it, someone out there will discover that the cheapest electret element , ripped out of an old panasonic or nortel telephone will provide EXCELLENT audio. Then these ham guys will put these elements into some kind of stand , and walah,,,, A FREE EXCELLENT MICROPHONE. causing economic disaster... Plus we know these guys become attached to things they build. GOOD JOB Bill ny9h ( a manufacturers' rep who has represented several REAL microphone manufacturers over the last 30 years,,, AKG, SHURE, & SENNHEISER and none of them importers of someone else's products...) At 10:34 AM 9/1/2004, Jim Brown wrote: >As some of you know, I'm in the pro audio business, so microphones are >something I know a bit about. :) At a recent hamfest, I bought three >variations >of Plantronics headsets made for use with cellphones. I paid $5 each; in a >store they would likely fetch $15-$25. I've seen similar Plantronics >models at >Fry's Electronics, packaged for use with VOIP into a computer sound card, for >$25. For those of you who don't know, Plantronics is the originator of the >miniature "Starset" headsets for telecommunications decades ago. They're a >publically traded US company. > >Over the past two weeks, I've made adapters to use these headset/mic >combos with my laptop for Echolink and VOIP, and also to run into my ham >rigs. I haven't done one yet for the K2, but I just did one for the Icom >746 that I >use on six meters. I am VERY pleased with the result -- on the air reports >from >critical listeners tell me that I have clean, punchy audio, the emphasized >high >end that works for good communications quality, and no breathe pops. > >The wiring to make these mics work with a K2 is quite simple. First, you need >to cut off the plug and identify which conductors go to the mic and earphone. >On my Plantronics units, white is the mic, red is the earphone, blue is >common, >and there is an overall shield that should be tied to the mic connector >shell. To >get bias for the mic element, add a 2.2K resistor between +8v and the white >wire. If you want the earphone to work, you'll have to either bring >receive audio >to the connector or put a second connector on the mic to go to the headphone >jack. > >If you're adapting it to a typical computer sound card, you'll also want >the 2.2K >resistor from wherever it shows up on the computer's mic input to the >"hot" mic >lead. It's no problem fitting a low wattage resistor into a Switchcraft >1/8" plug. >It's trickier fitting it into the 8-pin plug used on the K2. > >Jim Brown K9YC > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Another option may be to use a PC microphone/headset that are available in
the market at very low prices. I use an Altec Lansing AHS-201 headset electret boom microphone with a single earpiece with my K2. As the headset is terminated in the standard 2 x 3.5mm stereo jacks I made up the necessary connectors and a PTT in a small plastic box with two leads out for the K2, 8 pin mic connector and a 3.5mm stereo plug for the headphone connector. A foot switch could be added if desired for PTT. The +5V bias voltage is already available at P1 on the K2 Front Panel board. All it takes is a suitable resistor to provide the bias voltage needed from the +5V on P1 pin 6 to the designated AF pin or pin 1 on the K2/KSB2 side. There is already a 2.2uF isolating capacitor, C34 on the KSB2 I/P, so no other isolation is required with the standard K2/KSB2. The bias voltage needed for the Altec Lansing AHS-201 does not seem critical. I used a single AA 1.5V dry cell in tests and with that was able to overdrive the K2 in the microphone high setting. An added advantage with this particular headset is the microphone is noise cancelling for use in noisy situations and the earpiece seems to work well with the K2 giving a good RX audio level. I had built the setup originally to use with a Yaesu VHF/UHF mobile and it was pleasing to find that it worked very well with the K2. Trying it out was easy as I already used the Yaesu standard for the K2 8 pin microphone connector. The Altec Lansing AHS-201 should be retailed from about $10 in the USA. The obsolete AHS-15 should also work well at an even cheaper price if still available. Bob, G3VVT K2 #4168 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I must not have been clear. it is not "another option" -- it's precisely the
Plantronics headset I noted I had seen at Fry's Electronics. So everything that applies to making a cell phone headset work applies equally to making the PC headset work. The point is that these headsets differ only in 1) the quality of the headset and mic elements; 2) Physical comfort; 3) the connector(s) on the end. All of the Plantronics headsets have noise cancelling mics. Bill, NY9H, has observed that these capsules (and the capsules used in the VERY expensive ham mics) sell for half a dollar or less without the name of the very expensive ham mic marketing company on them. Another point. Plantronics is an old line telecommunications company. The "Altec Lansing" NAME was purchased at least a decade ago, is applied to cheap junk from the far east, and sold. There is no connection (other than this sale of the name) between the company using the name and the company that MADE the name a household word for high quality audio. In spite of its pedigree, I'll bet your headset works a treat on the K2! What can be very tricky to get to work is a headset with an inline PTT switch sold to work with a ham talkie. In essence, you have to do major surgery on what is a very delicate (and cheap) switch with very tiny and delicate wiring to either disable it or rewire it to work with a radio for which it was not intended. I bought one of these new at a hamfest. VERY bad idea. Jim Brown K9YC --Original Message Text--- From: [hidden email] Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:08:31 EDT Another option may be to use a PC microphone/headset that are available in the market at very low prices. I use an Altec Lansing AHS-201 headset electret boom microphone with a single earpiece with my K2. As the headset is terminated in the standard 2 x 3.5mm stereo jacks I made up the necessary connectors and a PTT in a small plastic box with two leads out for the K2, 8 pin mic connector and a 3.5mm stereo plug for the headphone connector. A foot switch could be added if desired for PTT. The +5V bias voltage is already available at P1 on the K2 Front Panel board. All it takes is a suitable resistor to provide the bias voltage needed from the +5V on P1 pin 6 to the designated AF pin or pin 1 on the K2/KSB2 side. There is already a 2.2uF isolating capacitor, C34 on the KSB2 I/P, so no other isolation is required with the standard K2/KSB2. The bias voltage needed for the Altec Lansing AHS-201 does not seem critical. I used a single AA 1.5V dry cell in tests and with that was able to overdrive the K2 in the microphone high setting. An added advantage with this particular headset is the microphone is noise cancelling for use in noisy situations and the earpiece seems to work well with the K2 giving a good RX audio level. I had built the setup originally to use with a Yaesu VHF/UHF mobile and it was pleasing to find that it worked very well with the K2. Trying it out was easy as I already used the Yaesu standard for the K2 8 pin microphone connector. The Altec Lansing AHS-201 should be retailed from about $10 in the USA. The obsolete AHS-15 should also work well at an even cheaper price if still available. Bob, G3VVT K2 #4168 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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I had the occassion to take apart the hand held mic that Elecraft carries (MH-2?) and was really shocked at what I found inside.
Now as a mostly CW guy I really don't have a good appreciation of sound quality, but I'm finding this thread very interesting. Tom WB2QDG ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2004 8:22 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Microphone for K2 > I must not have been clear. it is not "another option" -- it's > precisely the > Plantronics headset I noted I had seen at Fry's Electronics. So > everything > that applies to making a cell phone headset work applies equally > to > making the PC headset work. > > The point is that these headsets differ only in 1) the quality of > the headset > and mic elements; 2) Physical comfort; 3) the connector(s) on the > end. All > of the Plantronics headsets have noise cancelling mics. Bill, > NY9H, has > observed that these capsules (and the capsules used in the VERY > expensive ham mics) sell for half a dollar or less without the > name of the > very expensive ham mic marketing company on them. > > Another point. Plantronics is an old line telecommunications > company. > The "Altec Lansing" NAME was purchased at least a decade ago, is > applied to cheap junk from the far east, and sold. There is no > connection > (other than this sale of the name) between the company using the > name > and the company that MADE the name a household word for high > quality > audio. In spite of its pedigree, I'll bet your headset works a > treat on the K2! > > What can be very tricky to get to work is a headset with an inline > PTT > switch sold to work with a ham talkie. In essence, you have to do > major > surgery on what is a very delicate (and cheap) switch with very > tiny and > delicate wiring to either disable it or rewire it to work with a > radio for which > it was not intended. I bought one of these new at a hamfest. VERY > bad > idea. > > Jim Brown K9YC > > --Original Message Text--- > From: [hidden email] > Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:08:31 EDT > > Another option may be to use a PC microphone/headset that are > available in the market > at very low prices. I use an Altec Lansing AHS-201 headset > electret boom microphone > with a single earpiece with my K2. As the headset is terminated in > the standard 2 x > 3.5mm stereo jacks I made up the necessary connectors and a PTT in > a small plastic > box with two leads out for the K2, 8 pin mic connector and a > 3.5mm stereo plug for the > headphone connector. A foot switch could be added if desired for > PTT. The +5V bias > voltage is already available at P1 on the K2 Front Panel board. > All it takes is a suitable > resistor to provide the bias voltage needed from the +5V on P1 pin > 6 to the designated > AF pin or pin 1 on the K2/KSB2 side. There is already a 2.2uF > isolating capacitor, C34 > on the KSB2 I/P, so no other isolation is required with the > standard K2/KSB2. The bias > voltage needed for the Altec Lansing AHS-201 does not seem > critical. I used a single > AA 1.5V dry cell in tests and with that was able to overdrive the > K2 in the microphone > high setting. > > An added advantage with this particular headset is the microphone > is noise cancelling > for use in noisy situations and the earpiece seems to work well > with the K2 giving a > good RX audio level. I had built the setup originally to use with > a Yaesu VHF/UHF > mobile and it was pleasing to find that it worked very well with > the K2. Trying it out was > easy as I already used the Yaesu standard for the K2 8 pin > microphone connector. The > Altec Lansing AHS-201 should be retailed from about $10 in the > USA. The obsolete > AHS-15 should also work well at an even cheaper price if still > available. > Bob, G3VVT > K2 #4168 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Could you tell us what you found in the MH-2 ???
On Thursday, September 02, 2004, at 09:46AM, <[hidden email]> wrote: >I had the occassion to take apart the hand held mic that Elecraft carries (MH-2?) and was really shocked at what I found inside. > >Now as a mostly CW guy I really don't have a good appreciation of sound quality, but I'm finding this thread very interesting. > >Tom >WB2QDG > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]> >Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2004 8:22 pm >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Microphone for K2 > >> I must not have been clear. it is not "another option" -- it's >> precisely the >> Plantronics headset I noted I had seen at Fry's Electronics. So >> everything >> that applies to making a cell phone headset work applies equally >> to >> making the PC headset work. >> >> The point is that these headsets differ only in 1) the quality of >> the headset >> and mic elements; 2) Physical comfort; 3) the connector(s) on the >> end. All >> of the Plantronics headsets have noise cancelling mics. Bill, >> NY9H, has >> observed that these capsules (and the capsules used in the VERY >> expensive ham mics) sell for half a dollar or less without the >> name of the >> very expensive ham mic marketing company on them. >> >> Another point. Plantronics is an old line telecommunications >> company. >> The "Altec Lansing" NAME was purchased at least a decade ago, is >> applied to cheap junk from the far east, and sold. There is no >> connection >> (other than this sale of the name) between the company using the >> name >> and the company that MADE the name a household word for high >> quality >> audio. In spite of its pedigree, I'll bet your headset works a >> treat on the K2! >> >> What can be very tricky to get to work is a headset with an inline >> PTT >> switch sold to work with a ham talkie. In essence, you have to do >> major >> surgery on what is a very delicate (and cheap) switch with very >> tiny and >> delicate wiring to either disable it or rewire it to work with a >> radio for which >> it was not intended. I bought one of these new at a hamfest. VERY >> bad >> idea. >> >> Jim Brown K9YC >> >> --Original Message Text--- >> From: [hidden email] >> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:08:31 EDT >> >> Another option may be to use a PC microphone/headset that are >> available in the market >> at very low prices. I use an Altec Lansing AHS-201 headset >> electret boom microphone >> with a single earpiece with my K2. As the headset is terminated in >> the standard 2 x >> 3.5mm stereo jacks I made up the necessary connectors and a PTT in >> a small plastic >> box with two leads out for the K2, 8 pin mic connector and a >> 3.5mm stereo plug for the >> headphone connector. A foot switch could be added if desired for >> PTT. The +5V bias >> voltage is already available at P1 on the K2 Front Panel board. >> All it takes is a suitable >> resistor to provide the bias voltage needed from the +5V on P1 pin >> 6 to the designated >> AF pin or pin 1 on the K2/KSB2 side. There is already a 2.2uF >> isolating capacitor, C34 >> on the KSB2 I/P, so no other isolation is required with the >> standard K2/KSB2. The bias >> voltage needed for the Altec Lansing AHS-201 does not seem >> critical. I used a single >> AA 1.5V dry cell in tests and with that was able to overdrive the >> K2 in the microphone >> high setting. >> >> An added advantage with this particular headset is the microphone >> is noise cancelling >> for use in noisy situations and the earpiece seems to work well >> with the K2 giving a >> good RX audio level. I had built the setup originally to use with >> a Yaesu VHF/UHF >> mobile and it was pleasing to find that it worked very well with >> the K2. Trying it out was >> easy as I already used the Yaesu standard for the K2 8 pin >> microphone connector. The >> Altec Lansing AHS-201 should be retailed from about $10 in the >> USA. The obsolete >> AHS-15 should also work well at an even cheaper price if still >> available. >> Bob, G3VVT >> K2 #4168 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> > >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > -- Jean-François Ménard, VA2VYZ [hidden email] Club des Astronomes Amateurs de Sherbrooke Club Radio Amateur de l'Estrie http://homepage.mac.com/jfmenard -- _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Don't tell me it was a J-38 mic cartridge!
At 9/2/2004 09:49 AM, JEAN-FRANCOIS MENARD wrote: >Could you tell us what you found in the MH-2 ??? > >On Thursday, September 02, 2004, at 09:46AM, <[hidden email]> wrote: > > >I had the occassion to take apart the hand held mic that Elecraft > carries (MH-2?) and was really shocked at what I found inside. > > > >Now as a mostly CW guy I really don't have a good appreciation of sound > quality, but I'm finding this thread very interesting. > > > >Tom > >WB2QDG > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Jim Brown <[hidden email]> > >Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2004 8:22 pm > >Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Microphone for K2 > > > >> I must not have been clear. it is not "another option" -- it's > >> precisely the > >> Plantronics headset I noted I had seen at Fry's Electronics. So > >> everything > >> that applies to making a cell phone headset work applies equally > >> to > >> making the PC headset work. > >> > >> The point is that these headsets differ only in 1) the quality of > >> the headset > >> and mic elements; 2) Physical comfort; 3) the connector(s) on the > >> end. All > >> of the Plantronics headsets have noise cancelling mics. Bill, > >> NY9H, has > >> observed that these capsules (and the capsules used in the VERY > >> expensive ham mics) sell for half a dollar or less without the > >> name of the > >> very expensive ham mic marketing company on them. > >> > >> Another point. Plantronics is an old line telecommunications > >> company. > >> The "Altec Lansing" NAME was purchased at least a decade ago, is > >> applied to cheap junk from the far east, and sold. There is no > >> connection > >> (other than this sale of the name) between the company using the > >> name > >> and the company that MADE the name a household word for high > >> quality > >> audio. In spite of its pedigree, I'll bet your headset works a > >> treat on the K2! > >> > >> What can be very tricky to get to work is a headset with an inline > >> PTT > >> switch sold to work with a ham talkie. In essence, you have to do > >> major > >> surgery on what is a very delicate (and cheap) switch with very > >> tiny and > >> delicate wiring to either disable it or rewire it to work with a > >> radio for which > >> it was not intended. I bought one of these new at a hamfest. VERY > >> bad > >> idea. > >> > >> Jim Brown K9YC > >> > >> --Original Message Text--- > >> From: [hidden email] > >> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 19:08:31 EDT > >> > >> Another option may be to use a PC microphone/headset that are > >> available in the market > >> at very low prices. I use an Altec Lansing AHS-201 headset > >> electret boom microphone > >> with a single earpiece with my K2. As the headset is terminated in > >> the standard 2 x > >> 3.5mm stereo jacks I made up the necessary connectors and a PTT in > >> a small plastic > >> box with two leads out for the K2, 8 pin mic connector and a > >> 3.5mm stereo plug for the > >> headphone connector. A foot switch could be added if desired for > >> PTT. The +5V bias > >> voltage is already available at P1 on the K2 Front Panel board. > >> All it takes is a suitable > >> resistor to provide the bias voltage needed from the +5V on P1 pin > >> 6 to the designated > >> AF pin or pin 1 on the K2/KSB2 side. There is already a 2.2uF > >> isolating capacitor, C34 > >> on the KSB2 I/P, so no other isolation is required with the > >> standard K2/KSB2. The bias > >> voltage needed for the Altec Lansing AHS-201 does not seem > >> critical. I used a single > >> AA 1.5V dry cell in tests and with that was able to overdrive the > >> K2 in the microphone > >> high setting. > >> > >> An added advantage with this particular headset is the microphone > >> is noise cancelling > >> for use in noisy situations and the earpiece seems to work well > >> with the K2 giving a > >> good RX audio level. I had built the setup originally to use with > >> a Yaesu VHF/UHF > >> mobile and it was pleasing to find that it worked very well with > >> the K2. Trying it out was > >> easy as I already used the Yaesu standard for the K2 8 pin > >> microphone connector. The > >> Altec Lansing AHS-201 should be retailed from about $10 in the > >> USA. The obsolete > >> AHS-15 should also work well at an even cheaper price if still > >> available. > >> Bob, G3VVT > >> K2 #4168 > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Post to: [hidden email] > >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Elecraft mailing list > >Post to: [hidden email] > >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > > > > > >-- > >Jean-François Ménard, VA2VYZ >[hidden email] > >Club des Astronomes Amateurs de Sherbrooke >Club Radio Amateur de l'Estrie > >http://homepage.mac.com/jfmenard > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Post to: [hidden email] >You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. 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a radio shack electret element ????
I did have one , but sold it ,,,, I never bothered to dis assemble to look. Look at mouser , digikey newark or anyone. The most expensive electrestr , from the guys who make them are all about .50 - 1.30 $. The custom plastic housings, dealer profit (for sitting on a bunch of boxes) profit for keeping a part number in the big computer...all add up to why YOU Can do it yourself,,, desk microphones & speakers boxes. As a radio commercial in Chicago for a local copy machine dealer says : " there's no prestige in paying more when you don't need to ." but there are markets for IC7800 Orions & K2s....... take your pick.... bill _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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