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LP_Bridge and Windows Vista

Adam Koczarski

What's the trick to getting LP_Bridge to run with Windows Vista?? I can get
it to run and connect to the K3, but I can't get it to create the virtual
comm Port for HRD. "Cannot create virtual port".

TIA

Adam - ka7ark


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Re: LP_Bridge and Windows Vista

N5GE
On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:50:33 -0800, you wrote:

>
>What's the trick to getting LP_Bridge to run with Windows Vista?? I can get
>it to run and connect to the K3, but I can't get it to create the virtual
>comm Port for HRD. "Cannot create virtual port".
>
>TIA
>
>Adam - ka7ark
>
[snip]

Adam,

I'm running it on Vista Business 64 bit and seem to recall that there
was some trouble getting it to work with LP_BRIDGE.  I switched to Ham
Radio Deluxe and all is fine here.

Tom, N5GE
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Re: SSB IMD

Julian, G4ILO
In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
Bill W4ZV wrote
Which reminds me...I set my power supply to deliver 14.5V at the input to my K3 terminals under load.  Although the power supply specification says...

"Supply Voltage/current: 13.8 V nominal during TX. (11 V min, 15 V max). 17-22 Amps typical in TX (100W). 0.9A minimum RX."
What is the voltage off-load when it is set like that?

...I would never intentionally run mine at the lower end of that range.  If you have any concerns about overshoot when turning on your power supply, always turn the PS on a few seconds before the K3.
But the K3 power switch is a "soft" switch isn't it, so some electronics are still connected to the supply even when the switch is off?

I tend to leave my PS on continuously so overshoot is never an issue.
Mine consumes 30VA even when no load is present, so for the sake of the environment everything here now gets switched off at the mains when not in use.

The supply cable for the K3 certainly uses less copper than the ones supplied with JA radios. The PowerPole connectors seem a bit wimpy to me as well.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222 KX3 #110
* G4ILO's Shack - http://www.g4ilo.com
* KComm - http://www.g4ilo.com/kcomm.html
* KTune - http://www.g4ilo.com/ktune.html
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Re: SSB IMD

Julian, G4ILO
In reply to this post by Jan Erik Holm

Jan Erik Holm wrote
As I said before, here I am first time on 20m
SSB and people report trash around my signal,
i e bad IMD. However at that time I had K3 at
120W, aftter I´ve made measurements and it
looks like something slowly starts to happen
at 80W.
Also I have myself heard K3´s on SSB with "trash"
around the signal "however" I have also heard
K3´s that did NOT have that.
So what´s going on here, I´m getting reel puzzled
and frankly quite tired of this.
This sounds similar to what I was noting on PSK31 when I experimented with higher power levels. However someone else commented the figures I gave were surprisingly high, so I did some more tests and found that on 20m I am getting -34dB PSK IMD right up to 100W output! However the poorer figures which I measured on 30m are repeatable.

I'm not sure what to make of this and I am using an amateur PSK meter not a lab grade spectrum analyzer so at this point I am not sure if I can believe the measurements. I am going to see if I can substantiate the results receiving off-air using another receiver and computer. But your comments, my results (and the Eham review causing so much concern in some quarters, which mentioned SSB splatter on 17m) could indicate that there is a variation in PA linearity from band to band that might make some rigs clean on some bands and not on others. Why might this be?


I wish there would be a "service manual" available,
like there is for any Japanese rice box. I mean
a manual that contains all data for all adjustments.
Why not??


It should not really be difficult. After all the K2 was designed to be built from scratch by people with nothing more in the way of test equipment than a DVM and a dummy load. Probably the only adjustable setting is the bias voltage, though I haven't looked at the schematic since it isn't something I personally wish to tinker with.
Julian, G4ILO. K2 #392  K3 #222 KX3 #110
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Re: SSB IMD

Grant Youngman
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On Jan 27, 2009, at 3:58 AM, Julian, G4ILO wrote:

>
> The supply cable for the K3 certainly uses less copper than the ones
> supplied with JA radios. The PowerPole connectors seem a bit wimpy  
> to me as
> well.

There's nothing wrong with the Anderson connectors.  But why not just  
use heavier cable if that's an issue instead of just sticking with the  
default that came in the box with the K3?   Cable size should be  
tailored to length anyway, based on standard copper resistance tables  
and current draw. I really don't know why Elecraft even bothers to  
supply a cable, except for something to use as a "quickie" to get  
power to the radio for testing.

Grant/NQ5T


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Re: SSB IMD

Bill W4ZV
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<quote author="Julian, G4ILO">
Bill W4ZV wrote
Which reminds me...I set my power supply to deliver 14.5V at the input to my K3 terminals under load.  Although the power supply specification says...

"Supply Voltage/current: 13.8 V nominal during TX. (11 V min, 15 V max). 17-22 Amps typical in TX (100W). 0.9A minimum RX."

What is the voltage off-load when it is set like that?

****It will depend on:
1.  Your specific power supply regulation.
2.  The resistance of the connecting cable (i.e. size and length).

***I believe my drop is ~0.3V from 14.8 to 14.5, no-load to load.

...I would never intentionally run mine at the lower end of that range.  If you have any concerns about overshoot when turning on your power supply, always turn the PS on a few seconds before the K3.
But the K3 power switch is a "soft" switch isn't it, so some electronics are still connected to the supply even when the switch is off?

***Since the applied voltage is never above the 15.0 spec, I don't worry about it.  If you're paranoid, you can disconnect the APP connector each time; or if you're concerned about wearing out the APP connectors, disconnect it at the power supply each time you turn the PS on.

I tend to leave my PS on continuously so overshoot is never an issue.
***Mine consumes 30VA even when no load is present, so for the sake of the environment everything here now gets switched off at the mains when not in use.

***My shack is unheated in the winter, so the idle power is heating my shack.  :-)

The supply cable for the K3 certainly uses less copper than the ones supplied with JA radios. The PowerPole connectors seem a bit wimpy to me as well.

***Nobody is forcing you to use the supplied cable.  A battery jumper cable should work nicely if you can figure out the connections.  If everyone in the UK is so paranoid, you can probably start a thriving business making special connecting cables ;-)
73,  Bill
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Re: New Eham.net K3 review by QRPNEW

Johnny Siu
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Hello OM,
 
When I read the reviews in the eham, I, in fact, deliberately look for the lower end markings.  It is up to myself to make my own determination but it is always very interesting in reading those 'odd remarks'.  Don't just grossly ignore those comments.  Sometimes, they will give you some insights and let you view from other angles.
 
There are areas in K3 which I really don't like though it is still a keeper for me.
 
73
 
Johnny Siu VR2XMC
K3, K2, IC7800, IC7700, FTDX9k

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I am or was a knob guy.  When contesting I liked having knobs that I could
turn if I need to do so vs. having to enter into a menu in the heat of a
contact or pileup to change something.

What I have found with the K3, I just don't feel the need to do anything
other than turn the vfo knob or tighten up the roofing filters.....

I own two FT-2000's and they do look cool and work fine but they don't
work
as well as the K3.

Mike W0MU 

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Very simply put.... you know how big a radio is before you buy it.  You look
at the specs...if its too small for you, get something that isn't.


-------------------------
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Mon Jan 26  7:17 , "Simon \(HB9DRV\)"  sent:

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "R. Kevin Stover" [hidden email]>
>
>
>> Any review for a high performance transceiver which starts off
>> complaining about the size of the box and the lack of enough knobs
needs
>> to be looked at with a jaundiced eye.
>
>Why? It's about usability...
>
>I'm colour-blind, have ageing eyes and small hands. For me it's
usability, 
>usability, usability, a good receiver and a clean transmitter.
>
>Simon Brown, HB9DRV
>www.ham-radio-deluxe.com 
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Re: SSB IMD

K8RDD
In reply to this post by Bill W4ZV
I found while assembling my K3 that the crimp connectors that go on the circuit breaker were not crimped well. They pulled out very easily. I replaced them. I go from 14.3 to 13.7 on the front panel voltmeter display at full power out. I see no worse than -31db 3rd imd on my old HP analyzer. It hasn't been cal'd in a while but my other rigs are about the same except my old Ts-830. Of course it's better. I love that rig. But I can't seem to get the cat interface to work.
Randy
K8RDD
<quote author="Bill W4ZV">

Julian, G4ILO wrote
Bill W4ZV wrote
Which reminds me...I set my power supply to deliver 14.5V at the input to my K3 terminals under load.  Although the power supply specification says...

"Supply Voltage/current: 13.8 V nominal during TX. (11 V min, 15 V max). 17-22 Amps typical in TX (100W). 0.9A minimum RX."

What is the voltage off-load when it is set like that?

****It will depend on:
1.  Your specific power supply regulation.
2.  The resistance of the connecting cable (i.e. size and length).

***I believe my drop is ~0.3V from 14.8 to 14.5, no-load to load.

...I would never intentionally run mine at the lower end of that range.  If you have any concerns about overshoot when turning on your power supply, always turn the PS on a few seconds before the K3.
But the K3 power switch is a "soft" switch isn't it, so some electronics are still connected to the supply even when the switch is off?

***Since the applied voltage is never above the 15.0 spec, I don't worry about it.  If you're paranoid, you can disconnect the APP connector each time; or if you're concerned about wearing out the APP connectors, disconnect it at the power supply each time you turn the PS on.

I tend to leave my PS on continuously so overshoot is never an issue.
***Mine consumes 30VA even when no load is present, so for the sake of the environment everything here now gets switched off at the mains when not in use.

***My shack is unheated in the winter, so the idle power is heating my shack.  :-)

The supply cable for the K3 certainly uses less copper than the ones supplied with JA radios. The PowerPole connectors seem a bit wimpy to me as well.

***Nobody is forcing you to use the supplied cable.  A battery jumper cable should work nicely if you can figure out the connections.  If everyone in the UK is so paranoid, you can probably start a thriving business making special connecting cables ;-)
73,  Bill
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Re: SSB IMD

gm3sek
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Bill W4ZV wrote:
>>
>> ***Nobody is forcing you to use the supplied cable.  A battery jumper
>> cable should work nicely if you can figure out the connections.  If
>> everyone in the UK is so paranoid, you can probably start a thriving
>> business making special connecting cables ;-)
>>

We aren't all paranoid in the UK - it's the time difference that makes
us grouchy.  You people in the USA *always* get to stay up late and it's
not fair!


--

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Re: LP_Bridge and Windows Vista

Jim-168
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Adam, I run Vista Home Edition here and it works fine but in the beginning
it would not create virtual com ports. I am not sure what I did to make it
work but I think it may have been something so simple as to right click the
LP Bridge Icon and click run as administrator.

I have also created an Administrator sign on and sometimes have to sign on
as an Administrator to install programs as an administrator.

73 de KE4WY Jim

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What's the trick to getting LP_Bridge to run with Windows Vista?? I can get
it to run and connect to the K3, but I can't get it to create the virtual
comm Port for HRD. "Cannot create virtual port".

TIA

Adam - ka7ark


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Re: LP_Bridge and Windows Vista

Adam Koczarski
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:elecraft-
> [hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jim
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:54 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LP_Bridge and Windows Vista
>
> Adam, I run Vista Home Edition here and it works fine but in the
> beginning
> it would not create virtual com ports.

Finally got it to work later last night. I had already tried the 'run as
admin' without success. I had just upgraded this system from XP to Vista,
then to Vista SP-1. Doing a reinstallation of LP_Bridge did the trick. Must
be a driver permission thing that doesn't make it through the upgrade
process. The LP-Pan and the associated software works as designed, as does
HRD.

I've been experimenting with Windows 7 on another laptop here and thought it
would be <fun> to try and test out the K3 tools on that OS. You can only
upgrade to Windows 7 from Vista at this point in the BETA, thus last night's
upgrade from XP to VISTA on the radio laptop. I'll give Windows 7 a shot
tonight and see what happens. Anyone try this yet?

With my week of experience with Windows 7 it seeming to be more like Vista
SP-2 than a new product. That would explain the amazing stability reports
for a Microsoft BETA OS. :) Seems like more of a marketing "rebranding" of
Vista than a newly developed OS. I guess the Bill Gates-Jerry Seinfeld
commercials just weren't doing the trick. ;) It is much faster/leaner
feeling than Vista, with a few GUI changes and it comes bundled with IE 8
BETA. The IE 8 BETA definitely feels like a BETA. Some tests I've read even
claim it's faster than XP! I'll keep my fingers crossed and report back what
I find.

Adam - ka7ark



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Re: SSB IMD

Joe Subich, W4TV-4
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> Is there something critical in the radio that
> gives this outcome? Critical adjustment perhaps?
> Is it very sensitive what PS we use (ala W4ZV)?

Yes, it is very sensitive to power supply voltage.
Look at any of the application notes - the one
Craig mentions for the P-P RD100HHF FETs is a
good example.  Decreasing Vcc (or Vdd) by just
one Volt will increase the IMD at 100 Watts by
10 dB and decrease the maximum output power by
almost 20 Watts.  

Running the power supply at 14.0 - 14.5 Volts and
using a power supply with good dynamic regulation
will go a long way to keeping the K3 "clean."

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jan Erik Holm
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:54 AM
> Cc: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SSB IMD
>
>
> Yes I´ve seen those figures, there are are lot of
> data from component manufactures however by the
> time we see the finished product data doesn´t
> even come close.
>
> I tried to look for the data on the FT-990 that
> K6LL informed about but couldn´t find it. I was
> thinking what reference level they used, I think
> I remember ARRL changed their procedure, the -38
> prity well could be -32 in real life.
>
> However, something struck me, why is it we see
> this big variation in data on the IMD3? We have
> a spread between -38 to -24 dB. A number of
> people has measured below -30 dB and as far as
> I know "only" one around -38 dB. Who is right
> and who is wrong?
> Is there something critical in the radio that
> gives this outcome? Critical adjustment perhaps?
> Is it very sensitive what PS we use (ala W4ZV)?
>
> As I said before, here I am first time on 20m
> SSB and people report trash around my signal,
> i e bad IMD. However at that time I had K3 at
> 120W, aftter I´ve made measurements and it
> looks like something slowly starts to happen
> at 80W.
> Also I have myself heard K3´s on SSB with "trash"
> around the signal "however" I have also heard
> K3´s that did NOT have that.
> So what´s going on here, I´m getting reel puzzled
> and frankly quite tired of this.
>
> I wish there would be a "service manual" available,
> like there is for any Japanese rice box. I mean
> a manual that contains all data for all adjustments.
> Why not??
>
> / Jim SM2EKM
> ---------------------------
> Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> >
> >> Jan Erik Holm wrote:
> >>> Bill and others, hold on and think about these
> >>> figures. -35 to -38 dB IM3 !! We are dealing
> >>> with 2SC2782 transistors operating at around
> >>> 12V DC. I say no more, the knowledge and intelligent
> >>> individual will understand.
> >
> > I would be careful here ... the Toshiba 2SC2879 data sheet
> > clearly does -38dB IMD at 60 watts with VCC=12.5V.  There
> > are certainly devices capable of that level of performance  
> > means that there are devices capable of that level just as
> > there are devices capable of similar levels of performance
> > at 120-140 watts per device with Vcc=28V.
> >
> > I would expect the 2SC2879 to also be capable of this level
> > of performance ... if not, I would have expected the design
> > of the KPA3 to have been based on another device.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> >    ... Joe, W4TV
> >  



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Re: SSB IMD

Peter Wollan-2
This is possible, but, as far as I know, it is untested.  I've read
several anecdotes claiming poor SSB performance, and several others
claiming excellent SSB performance.  What's needed is for someone to
take one of the "poor" K3's, and change some factor that turns it into
an "excellent" K3.  Such as, plug it into a better power supply, and
show that one power supply consistently produces good results and
another consistently produces bad results.

I predict that the power supply claim will turn out to be bogus.  The
K2 has voltage regulators all through it, and runs well down to -- is
it 10 volts?  The K3 needs a bit more oomph, but I'll bet Wayne
designed it to be robust, too.  I further predict that the bad SSB
performance will turn out to be either an adjustment issue, or an
external amplifier issue.  I'd love to see some experiments.

   Peter N8MHD

On 1/27/09, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> > Is there something critical in the radio that
> > gives this outcome? Critical adjustment perhaps?
> > Is it very sensitive what PS we use (ala W4ZV)?
>
> Yes, it is very sensitive to power supply voltage.
> Look at any of the application notes - the one
> Craig mentions for the P-P RD100HHF FETs is a
> good example.  Decreasing Vcc (or Vdd) by just
> one Volt will increase the IMD at 100 Watts by
> 10 dB and decrease the maximum output power by
> almost 20 Watts.
>
> Running the power supply at 14.0 - 14.5 Volts and
> using a power supply with good dynamic regulation
> will go a long way to keeping the K3 "clean."
>
> 73,
>
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Jan Erik Holm
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:54 AM
> > Cc: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SSB IMD
> >
> >
> > Yes I´ve seen those figures, there are are lot of
> > data from component manufactures however by the
> > time we see the finished product data doesn´t
> > even come close.
> >
> > I tried to look for the data on the FT-990 that
> > K6LL informed about but couldn´t find it. I was
> > thinking what reference level they used, I think
> > I remember ARRL changed their procedure, the -38
> > prity well could be -32 in real life.
> >
> > However, something struck me, why is it we see
> > this big variation in data on the IMD3? We have
> > a spread between -38 to -24 dB. A number of
> > people has measured below -30 dB and as far as
> > I know "only" one around -38 dB. Who is right
> > and who is wrong?
> > Is there something critical in the radio that
> > gives this outcome? Critical adjustment perhaps?
> > Is it very sensitive what PS we use (ala W4ZV)?
> >
> > As I said before, here I am first time on 20m
> > SSB and people report trash around my signal,
> > i e bad IMD. However at that time I had K3 at
> > 120W, aftter I´ve made measurements and it
> > looks like something slowly starts to happen
> > at 80W.
> > Also I have myself heard K3´s on SSB with "trash"
> > around the signal "however" I have also heard
> > K3´s that did NOT have that.
> > So what´s going on here, I´m getting reel puzzled
> > and frankly quite tired of this.
> >
> > I wish there would be a "service manual" available,
> > like there is for any Japanese rice box. I mean
> > a manual that contains all data for all adjustments.
> > Why not??
> >
> > / Jim SM2EKM
> > ---------------------------
> > Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> > >
> > >> Jan Erik Holm wrote:
> > >>> Bill and others, hold on and think about these
> > >>> figures. -35 to -38 dB IM3 !! We are dealing
> > >>> with 2SC2782 transistors operating at around
> > >>> 12V DC. I say no more, the knowledge and intelligent
> > >>> individual will understand.
> > >
> > > I would be careful here ... the Toshiba 2SC2879 data sheet
> > > clearly does -38dB IMD at 60 watts with VCC=12.5V.  There
> > > are certainly devices capable of that level of performance
> > > means that there are devices capable of that level just as
> > > there are devices capable of similar levels of performance
> > > at 120-140 watts per device with Vcc=28V.
> > >
> > > I would expect the 2SC2879 to also be capable of this level
> > > of performance ... if not, I would have expected the design
> > > of the KPA3 to have been based on another device.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > >    ... Joe, W4TV
> > >
>
>
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Re: SSB IMD

Joe Subich, W4TV-4


> I predict that the power supply claim will turn out to be
> bogus.  The K2 has voltage regulators all through it, and
> runs well down to -- is it 10 volts?

Before making statements like that please look at the K3
schematics.  Power for the KPA3 is taken from the power
supply input immediately after the RF choke, to J67B/P67B,
through R3 (the current sense resistor for the metering),
to J78B/P68B and to the final amplifier transistors via an
RF filter.  There is absolutely no regulation of the Vcc
applied to the push-pull 2SC2782 pair used in the KPA3.
 
I can guarantee that running the KPA3 will result in low
power output (80 watts?) with significant IMD at that level.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV
 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Peter Wollan
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:48 PM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SSB IMD
>
>
> This is possible, but, as far as I know, it is untested.  
> I've read several anecdotes claiming poor SSB performance,
> and several others claiming excellent SSB performance.  
> What's needed is for someone to take one of the "poor" K3's,
> and change some factor that turns it into an "excellent" K3.  
> Such as, plug it into a better power supply, and show that
> one power supply consistently produces good results and
> another consistently produces bad results.
>
> I predict that the power supply claim will turn out to be
> bogus.  The K2 has voltage regulators all through it, and
> runs well down to -- is it 10 volts?  The K3 needs a bit more
> oomph, but I'll bet Wayne designed it to be robust, too.  I
> further predict that the bad SSB performance will turn out to
> be either an adjustment issue, or an external amplifier
> issue.  I'd love to see some experiments.
>
>    Peter N8MHD
>
> On 1/27/09, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Is there something critical in the radio that
> > > gives this outcome? Critical adjustment perhaps?
> > > Is it very sensitive what PS we use (ala W4ZV)?
> >
> > Yes, it is very sensitive to power supply voltage.
> > Look at any of the application notes - the one
> > Craig mentions for the P-P RD100HHF FETs is a
> > good example.  Decreasing Vcc (or Vdd) by just
> > one Volt will increase the IMD at 100 Watts by
> > 10 dB and decrease the maximum output power by
> > almost 20 Watts.
> >
> > Running the power supply at 14.0 - 14.5 Volts and
> > using a power supply with good dynamic regulation
> > will go a long way to keeping the K3 "clean."
> >
> > 73,
> >
> >   ... Joe, W4TV
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [hidden email]
> > > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Jan Erik Holm
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:54 AM
> > > Cc: [hidden email]
> > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] SSB IMD
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes I´ve seen those figures, there are are lot of
> > > data from component manufactures however by the
> > > time we see the finished product data doesn´t
> > > even come close.
> > >
> > > I tried to look for the data on the FT-990 that
> > > K6LL informed about but couldn´t find it. I was
> > > thinking what reference level they used, I think
> > > I remember ARRL changed their procedure, the -38
> > > prity well could be -32 in real life.
> > >
> > > However, something struck me, why is it we see
> > > this big variation in data on the IMD3? We have
> > > a spread between -38 to -24 dB. A number of
> > > people has measured below -30 dB and as far as
> > > I know "only" one around -38 dB. Who is right
> > > and who is wrong?
> > > Is there something critical in the radio that
> > > gives this outcome? Critical adjustment perhaps?
> > > Is it very sensitive what PS we use (ala W4ZV)?
> > >
> > > As I said before, here I am first time on 20m
> > > SSB and people report trash around my signal,
> > > i e bad IMD. However at that time I had K3 at
> > > 120W, aftter I´ve made measurements and it
> > > looks like something slowly starts to happen
> > > at 80W.
> > > Also I have myself heard K3´s on SSB with "trash"
> > > around the signal "however" I have also heard
> > > K3´s that did NOT have that.
> > > So what´s going on here, I´m getting reel puzzled
> > > and frankly quite tired of this.
> > >
> > > I wish there would be a "service manual" available,
> > > like there is for any Japanese rice box. I mean
> > > a manual that contains all data for all adjustments.
> > > Why not??
> > >
> > > / Jim SM2EKM
> > > ---------------------------
> > > Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Jan Erik Holm wrote:
> > > >>> Bill and others, hold on and think about these
> > > >>> figures. -35 to -38 dB IM3 !! We are dealing
> > > >>> with 2SC2782 transistors operating at around
> > > >>> 12V DC. I say no more, the knowledge and intelligent
> individual
> > > >>> will understand.
> > > >
> > > > I would be careful here ... the Toshiba 2SC2879 data
> sheet clearly
> > > > does -38dB IMD at 60 watts with VCC=12.5V.  There are certainly
> > > > devices capable of that level of performance means that
> there are
> > > > devices capable of that level just as there are devices
> capable of
> > > > similar levels of performance at 120-140 watts per device with
> > > > Vcc=28V.
> > > >
> > > > I would expect the 2SC2879 to also be capable of this level of
> > > > performance ... if not, I would have expected the design of the
> > > > KPA3 to have been based on another device.
> > > >
> > > > 73,
> > > >
> > > >    ... Joe, W4TV
> > > >
> >
> >
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K3: Sending RTTY from the paddle

Tom Wylie
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I haven't tried this myself but have seen somebody else do it.   Does
anyone know if it is possible to send CW from say a laptop and to be
transmitted as RTTY......

Couple of weeks ago I was on vacation in EA8 and ran my microham unit
with a laptop running win-test in expedition mode into my K3.

I would liked to have worked the TS7C who were loud with me on rtty,
after all I could copy them on the LCD readout of the K3.   I did not
have a paddle with me but sent CW from the laptop keyboard.
I tried to get it to send RTTY but only got a tone........

I assume if one is using the internal keyer of the K3 you may only input
CW via a paddle?

Tom
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Re: K3: Sending RTTY from the paddle

KK7P
> I haven't tried this myself but have seen somebody else do it.   Does
> anyone know if it is possible to send CW from say a laptop and to be
> transmitted as RTTY......

Currently, you must use the paddle inputs on the K3 to use the CW ->
RTTY feature.

73,

Lyle KK7P
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Re: K3: Sending RTTY from the paddle

KK7P

>> I haven't tried this myself but have seen somebody else do it.   Does
>> anyone know if it is possible to send CW from say a laptop and to be
>> transmitted as RTTY......
>
> Currently, you must use the paddle inputs on the K3 to use the CW ->
> RTTY feature.

However, K3 Utility has a terminal function which can be used for RTTY
(and PSK31 as well as CW) if you have a computer attached to your K3.

73,

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Re: K3: Sending RTTY from the paddle

Julian, G4ILO

Lyle Johnson wrote
However, K3 Utility has a terminal function which can be used for RTTY
(and PSK31 as well as CW) if you have a computer attached to your K3.
My program KComm can also send PSK31 and RTTY (and CW) from the keyboard using the same method.
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Re: K3: Sending RTTY from the paddle

Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2
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Tom Wylie wrote:

> I haven't tried this myself but have seen somebody else do it.   Does
> anyone know if it is possible to send CW from say a laptop and to be
> transmitted as RTTY......
>
> Couple of weeks ago I was on vacation in EA8 and ran my microham unit
> with a laptop running win-test in expedition mode into my K3.
>
> I would liked to have worked the TS7C who were loud with me on rtty,
> after all I could copy them on the LCD readout of the K3.   I did not
> have a paddle with me but sent CW from the laptop keyboard.
> I tried to get it to send RTTY but only got a tone........

Win-Test integrates (to some degree, at least) with MMTTY. I don't know
if it works in DXpedition mode, but it'd be worth a try...

     ~Iain
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Re: SSB IMD

Alan Bloom
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On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 01:58, Julian, G4ILO wrote:
> Bill W4ZV wrote:
...
> > ...I would never intentionally run mine at the lower end of that range.
> > If you have any concerns about overshoot when turning on your power
> > supply, always turn the PS on a few seconds before the K3.
> >
>
> But the K3 power switch is a "soft" switch isn't it, so some electronics are
> still connected to the supply even when the switch is off?
...

The K3 has a transient suppressor that should blow the fuse if a big
enough transient appears on the power connector.

Looking at the RF board schematic I see a BZW50-15 overvoltage
protection diode connected between ground and +12V on the radio side of
the fuse.  I downloaded the data sheet for that part - it looks like the
breakdown voltage is 16.6V minimum at 1 mA.  The actual clamp voltage is
a complicated function of peak current and pulse width, but presumably
Elecraft chose a part that adequately protects the radio.

Al N1AL


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