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Craig Smith

New Elecraft Products

I'm not interested in the amps, although they look great and hope that they
are a big success. I really enjoy the test equipment kits such as the XG-2
and noise source. Hopefully more specialized small test equipment such as
this can be done w/o a really large R&D commitment.

Of the "big" projects being discussed, the K3 is the only one that captures
my interest and enthusiasm. I love my K2 - best rig I've ever had - but it
sits in my shack on its small footprint as I twiddle the small knobs and
drill down thru menus (if I can remember how) to operate it. My ideal K3
would NOT need to be "contest grade" with 2 receivers, etc. But I would
like a larger self contained unit with less menus and more knobs and a
larger (color??) display. 12 V power, 100 W out, built in tuner, CW & SSB,
IF DSP, spectrum display, and if possible 6 and 2 w/o external adapters.
Tall order I know, but what fun it would be to build and operate!!

73
... Craig AC0DS

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Tom Althoff

Re: New Elecraft Products

As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some other
way of determining the size/dimentions.

If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I would love
to see a K3 that matched the amp in size.

Make it modular and expandable. Have slots on the motherboard for 2nd rcvr,
6M/2M/220/440 transverter modules etc.

Include FM, SSTV etc as an "Optional Mode Module". Perhaps include
decoding of SSTV and text from other digital modes for display on an
optional flat panel display.

Make the PA upgradable with choice of 20W or 200W output.

Make it a 12V for mobile/battery operation but include a built-in quiet
switching supply. Maybe have the 20W be 12VDC and the 200W have a built-in
50V switching supply for running on 120VAC. Just thinking out loud here.

And make some provision for split operation indicators such as putting the
sidetone into only one side of a stereo headphone so that operators can HEAR
the difference between when they are transmitting split and when they are
not. A visual indication such as having all the frequency readouts turn
red in transmit during split operation and some other color when operating
simplex. An operator would KNOW from the first dit if he was intending to
work a DXpedition split and started to call simplex on the DX stations
frequency. (Maybe a mild shock to the keyer paddle is needed?)

A low end version would be a 20W 160-10M CW only rig (although I suspect SSB
would not add that much cost).

A high end version would run 200W with an internal AC supply and cover
160-microwave all modes including general coverage on 2 receivers and
auto-tuning on all bands below 144Mhz.

I think a K3 like that would be at least as expensive as adding up the price
of a 100W K2 with all accessories, options and converters and doubling or
tripling the total price.

Tom K2TA

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products

> I'm not interested in the amps, although they look great and hope that
> they
> are a big success. I really enjoy the test equipment kits such as the
> XG-2
> and noise source. Hopefully more specialized small test equipment such as
> this can be done w/o a really large R&D commitment.
>
> Of the "big" projects being discussed, the K3 is the only one that
> captures
> my interest and enthusiasm. I love my K2 - best rig I've ever had - but
> it
> sits in my shack on its small footprint as I twiddle the small knobs and
> drill down thru menus (if I can remember how) to operate it. My ideal K3
> would NOT need to be "contest grade" with 2 receivers, etc. But I would
> like a larger self contained unit with less menus and more knobs and a
> larger (color??) display. 12 V power, 100 W out, built in tuner, CW &
> SSB,
> IF DSP, spectrum display, and if possible 6 and 2 w/o external adapters.
> Tall order I know, but what fun it would be to build and operate!!
>
> 73
> ... Craig AC0DS
>
>
>
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JT Croteau-2

Re: New Elecraft Products

Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a
real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be
taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt
meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive
side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered
in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form.

72 de JT, W6FO
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N8LP

Re: New Elecraft Products

In reply to this post by Tom Althoff

Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it
concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a
contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major
problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just
don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with
that kind of performance. It would have to be a kit in the same context
as the new amps... in other words, not really a kit. Of course, there is
no rule that says that all future Elecrafts have to be kits.

I think there is a KIT market for a new radio, with bigger form factor,
more knobs, fewer menus, but not all the bells and whistles of a contest
grade rig. Maybe there is a modular approach that could be offered,
with a motherboard and plug-in options... more like the venerable Drake
TR-7 in terms of physical layout of the boards... with a loaded price
tag of maybe $2,000.

Larry N8LP

Tom Althoff wrote:

> As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some
> other way of determining the size/dimentions.
>
> If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I
> would love to see a K3 that matched the amp in size.
>
> Make it modular and expandable. Have slots on the motherboard for 2nd
> rcvr, 6M/2M/220/440 transverter modules etc.
>
> Include FM, SSTV etc as an "Optional Mode Module". Perhaps include
> decoding of SSTV and text from other digital modes for display on an
> optional flat panel display.
>
> Make the PA upgradable with choice of 20W or 200W output.
>
> Make it a 12V for mobile/battery operation but include a built-in
> quiet switching supply. Maybe have the 20W be 12VDC and the 200W have
> a built-in 50V switching supply for running on 120VAC. Just thinking
> out loud here.
>
> And make some provision for split operation indicators such as putting
> the sidetone into only one side of a stereo headphone so that
> operators can HEAR the difference between when they are transmitting
> split and when they are not. A visual indication such as having all
> the frequency readouts turn red in transmit during split operation and
> some other color when operating simplex. An operator would KNOW from
> the first dit if he was intending to work a DXpedition split and
> started to call simplex on the DX stations frequency. (Maybe a mild
> shock to the keyer paddle is needed?)
>
> A low end version would be a 20W 160-10M CW only rig (although I
> suspect SSB would not add that much cost).
>
> A high end version would run 200W with an internal AC supply and cover
> 160-microwave all modes including general coverage on 2 receivers and
> auto-tuning on all bands below 144Mhz.
>
> I think a K3 like that would be at least as expensive as adding up the
> price of a 100W K2 with all accessories, options and converters and
> doubling or tripling the total price.
>
> Tom K2TA
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig D. Smith"
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> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:06 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products
>
>
>> I'm not interested in the amps, although they look great and hope
>> that they
>> are a big success. I really enjoy the test equipment kits such as
>> the XG-2
>> and noise source. Hopefully more specialized small test equipment
>> such as
>> this can be done w/o a really large R&D commitment.
>>
>> Of the "big" projects being discussed, the K3 is the only one that
>> captures
>> my interest and enthusiasm. I love my K2 - best rig I've ever had -
>> but it
>> sits in my shack on its small footprint as I twiddle the small knobs and
>> drill down thru menus (if I can remember how) to operate it. My
>> ideal K3
>> would NOT need to be "contest grade" with 2 receivers, etc. But I would
>> like a larger self contained unit with less menus and more knobs and a
>> larger (color??) display. 12 V power, 100 W out, built in tuner, CW
>> & SSB,
>> IF DSP, spectrum display, and if possible 6 and 2 w/o external adapters.
>> Tall order I know, but what fun it would be to build and operate!!
>>
>> 73
>> ... Craig AC0DS
>>
>>
>>
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N8LP

Re: New Elecraft Products

In reply to this post by JT Croteau-2

Check out my LP-300 digital handheld wattmeter kit at
www.telepostinc.com. Also, for base station use, my LP-100 digital
vector wattmeter kit was a huge success at Dayton. The LP-300 is
accurate for power and SWR from 10 mW to 120W. The LP-100 is good from
50 mW to the legal limit.

73,
Larry N8LP

JT Croteau wrote:

> Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a
> real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be
> taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt
> meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive
> side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered
> in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form.
>
> 72 de JT, W6FO
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Darwin, Keith

RE: New Elecraft Products

In reply to this post by Craig Smith

Yes, a watt meter that is the right level for the K2 for less than $100
would be great!

I'm currently using my Palstar meter which I have wired backwards. The
reflected scale then gives me QRP resolution for measuring forward
power. Of course my ability to measure SWR is gone but at 5 or 10 watts
that meter doesn't really support SWR measurement anyway.

One of the things I really like about my Palstar is that it is active
and really measures and reports peak power. I'll get 100 watts key down
with my ic-735. Go to a string of dits and it still reads 100 watts.
Call CQ on SSB and it shows 100 watts. Nice. Of course, an active
meter may not be so conducive to portable operation.

- Keith KD1E -
- K2 5411 -

-----Original Message-----
From: JT Croteau

Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a
real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be
taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt meter
is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive side IMO.
I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered in the $50 -
$75 range, especially in kit form.

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Don Wilhelm-3

RE: New Elecraft Products

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JT,

The Elecraft KAT2, KAT1, KXAT1, KAT100 and KAT100 already contain
wattmeters, so if you have one of these in your station, you do have a
wattmeter buit in - no need to carry a separate wattmeter, particularly for
the trail. Of course, if you are using a non-Elecraft QRP rig, then the
need is obvious, and the T1 can serve the purpose there.

73,
Don W3FPR

-----Original Message-----

Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a
real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be
taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt
meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive
side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered
in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form.

72 de JT, W6FO

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N8LP

Re: New Elecraft Products

In reply to this post by Darwin, Keith

My LP-300 has a peak power mode with a peak-hold display on the
numerical readout. It also has fast "analog" bargraphs for power and SWR
that can follow voice peaks. It shows accurate SWR down to about 10 mW
forward power. It runs on a 9V Duracell or Lithium battery, or external 12v.

Larry N8LP

Darwin, Keith wrote:

> Yes, a watt meter that is the right level for the K2 for less than $100
> would be great!
>
> I'm currently using my Palstar meter which I have wired backwards. The
> reflected scale then gives me QRP resolution for measuring forward
> power. Of course my ability to measure SWR is gone but at 5 or 10 watts
> that meter doesn't really support SWR measurement anyway.
>
> One of the things I really like about my Palstar is that it is active
> and really measures and reports peak power. I'll get 100 watts key down
> with my ic-735. Go to a string of dits and it still reads 100 watts.
> Call CQ on SSB and it shows 100 watts. Nice. Of course, an active
> meter may not be so conducive to portable operation.
>
> - Keith KD1E -
> - K2 5411 -
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JT Croteau
>
> Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a
> real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be
> taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt meter
> is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive side IMO.
> I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered in the $50 -
> $75 range, especially in kit form.
>
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Bill Steffey NY9H

Re: New Elecraft Products

In reply to this post by N8LP

wayne said; all functional modules simply plug in

So I would expect that the PA modules that are in the KPA800/1500
could have been engineered to be put in other things: a smaller amp
??? a transceiver ??
a mobile amp ?? utilizing the motherboard concept...

Maybe the K4 will have a spot on the mother board for spectrum board ...(opt5)
a spot for the second full receiver .....( optional would keep the
entry price down)
the super duper noise blanker board, if you need it like I do .....(opt2)

maybe even a slot for daughter board in-box computer...( not for me )

BUT PLEASE don't make it like the form factor of the
TITANTIC "Y" brand product line.

and if they do add the SO2R feature set ,
I can pull out all my Top Ten devices surrounding my HercII !!

phew,,, now back to reality,,,and the nice stuff I'm lucky to have already.

bill ny9h

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dj7mgq

Re: New Elecraft Products

But Bill...

> BUT PLEASE don't make it like the form factor of the
> TITANTIC "Y" brand product line.

...don't you know,m that real radios have to weigh at least twice as
much as the OP... hi hi

vy 73 de toby

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N2TK

RE: New Elecraft Products

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Hi Larry,

Maybe they will need to do something like they are doing with the new amps -
kit or assembled? And critical boards already stuffed and checked out.

I built a K2 because that is the only way it comes. I bought it for the
performance and the size. I enjoy putting kits together and I feel I do a
good job at it. But I would rather be operating than soldering, especially
if the price differential isn't great - an example is the KPA1500. For an
additional 7% I get an amp assembled and checked out.

I agree that some contesters and Dxers would rather buy it assembled and
tested. And some will continue to like to build it. To me both are good
choices to have for all of us.

And while I am at it, here is my list of things I would like to see in a new
rig. These are the minimum things I would want over a K2 in a K3:
- Fast, quiet QSK
- Dual receive - The ability to listen in stereo so when running split you
can listen in one ear on the transmit freq and at the same time listen in
the other ear to the receive frequency.
- 6-160M - maybe even 2M?
- Push button "clear" switch for RIT and XIT.
- Better close in (2KHZ) dynamic range performance.
- Switchable front end filters

73,
N2TK, Tony
#3481

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Larry Phipps
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:38 AM
To: Tom Althoff
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products

Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it
concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a
contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major
problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just
don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with
that kind of performance. It would have to be a kit in the same context
as the new amps... in other words, not really a kit. Of course, there is
no rule that says that all future Elecrafts have to be kits.

I think there is a KIT market for a new radio, with bigger form factor,
more knobs, fewer menus, but not all the bells and whistles of a contest
grade rig. Maybe there is a modular approach that could be offered,
with a motherboard and plug-in options... more like the venerable Drake
TR-7 in terms of physical layout of the boards... with a loaded price
tag of maybe $2,000.

Larry N8LP

Tom Althoff wrote:

James C. Hall, MD-2

RE: New Elecraft Products

In reply to this post by JT Croteau-2

These have been great posts. As I convalesce from back surgery, my dreams of
Elecraft kits have become much more vivid. I ran across Larry N8LP's kits,
that may be what you are thinking of, JT. Check out
http://www.telepostinc.com/n8lp.html .

73, Jamie
WB4YDL

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:29 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products

Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a
real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be
taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt
meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive
side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered
in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form.

72 de JT, W6FO
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Thom LaCosta

Re: New Elecraft Products

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On Wed, 24 May 2006, Toby Deinhardt wrote:

> But Bill...
>
>> BUT PLEASE don't make it like the form factor of the
>> TITANTIC "Y" brand product line.
>
> ...don't you know,m that real radios have to weigh at least twice as much as
> the OP... hi hi

And at the very least require that they be mounted in a 3 foot relay rack with
super-sized casters.

My present to myself when I passed my general a 1000 years ago was a tranmitter
that had an 813 final and plate modulation....it was in one of those racks.

Brought it home....unloaded it from the truck and my father made me go buy two
of the adjustable foundation jacks and a steel beam before he would let me put
in in the house.

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Mike Scott-7

RE: New Elecraft Products

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Now that the K3 has dual receivers (grin) and stereo audio it needs to be
able to slave the two receivers to provide binaural I-Q receive.

Mike Scott
AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (near LA)
Elecraft KX1 4-Watts

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[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:40 AM
To: 'Larry Phipps'; 'Tom Althoff'
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products

Hi Larry,

Maybe they will need to do something like they are doing with the new amps -
kit or assembled? And critical boards already stuffed and checked out.

I built a K2 because that is the only way it comes. I bought it for the
performance and the size. I enjoy putting kits together and I feel I do a
good job at it. But I would rather be operating than soldering, especially
if the price differential isn't great - an example is the KPA1500. For an
additional 7% I get an amp assembled and checked out.

I agree that some contesters and Dxers would rather buy it assembled and
tested. And some will continue to like to build it. To me both are good
choices to have for all of us.

And while I am at it, here is my list of things I would like to see in a new
rig. These are the minimum things I would want over a K2 in a K3:
- Fast, quiet QSK
- Dual receive - The ability to listen in stereo so when running split you
can listen in one ear on the transmit freq and at the same time listen in
the other ear to the receive frequency.
- 6-160M - maybe even 2M?
- Push button "clear" switch for RIT and XIT.
- Better close in (2KHZ) dynamic range performance.
- Switchable front end filters

73,
N2TK, Tony
#3481

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[mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Larry Phipps
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:38 AM
To: Tom Althoff
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products

Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it
concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a
contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major
problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just
don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with
that kind of performance. It would have to be a kit in the same context
as the new amps... in other words, not really a kit. Of course, there is
no rule that says that all future Elecrafts have to be kits.

I think there is a KIT market for a new radio, with bigger form factor,
more knobs, fewer menus, but not all the bells and whistles of a contest
grade rig. Maybe there is a modular approach that could be offered,
with a motherboard and plug-in options... more like the venerable Drake
TR-7 in terms of physical layout of the boards... with a loaded price
tag of maybe $2,000.

Larry N8LP

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RE: New Elecraft Products

Gee, maybe we are up to the K5 with this feature?
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Mike Scott
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:54 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products

Now that the K3 has dual receivers (grin) and stereo audio it needs to be
able to slave the two receivers to provide binaural I-Q receive.

Mike Scott
AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (near LA)
Elecraft KX1 4-Watts

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:40 AM
To: 'Larry Phipps'; 'Tom Althoff'
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products

Hi Larry,

Maybe they will need to do something like they are doing with the new amps -
kit or assembled? And critical boards already stuffed and checked out.

I built a K2 because that is the only way it comes. I bought it for the
performance and the size. I enjoy putting kits together and I feel I do a
good job at it. But I would rather be operating than soldering, especially
if the price differential isn't great - an example is the KPA1500. For an
additional 7% I get an amp assembled and checked out.

I agree that some contesters and Dxers would rather buy it assembled and
tested. And some will continue to like to build it. To me both are good
choices to have for all of us.

And while I am at it, here is my list of things I would like to see in a new
rig. These are the minimum things I would want over a K2 in a K3:
- Fast, quiet QSK
- Dual receive - The ability to listen in stereo so when running split you
can listen in one ear on the transmit freq and at the same time listen in
the other ear to the receive frequency.
- 6-160M - maybe even 2M?
- Push button "clear" switch for RIT and XIT.
- Better close in (2KHZ) dynamic range performance.
- Switchable front end filters

73,
N2TK, Tony
#3481

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Larry Phipps
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:38 AM
To: Tom Althoff
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products

Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it
concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a
contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major
problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just
don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with
that kind of performance. It would have to be a kit in the same context
as the new amps... in other words, not really a kit. Of course, there is
no rule that says that all future Elecrafts have to be kits.

I think there is a KIT market for a new radio, with bigger form factor,
more knobs, fewer menus, but not all the bells and whistles of a contest
grade rig. Maybe there is a modular approach that could be offered,
with a motherboard and plug-in options... more like the venerable Drake
TR-7 in terms of physical layout of the boards... with a loaded price
tag of maybe $2,000.

Larry N8LP

Tom Althoff wrote:

Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU

Re: New Elecraft Products

Administrator

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-3

I wish it were possible to use the KAT100 wattmeter with an amplifier
other than the KPA100 but it isn't. I have an HFPacker amp, and if you
bring VRFdet into the K2, it applies the K2 ALC to the output of the
amplifier, and the RF gain knob won't go past 15W. The solution from
Gary was to use the internal VRFdet, but that means I lose out on the
wattmeter.

Maybe I could make a PIC-based display or even a simple vu-style
comparator that reads the external VRFdet!

Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Wed, 24 May 2006 7:07 am, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> JT,
>
> The Elecraft KAT2, KAT1, KXAT1, KAT100 and KAT100 already contain
> wattmeters, so if you have one of these in your station, you do have a
> wattmeter buit in - no need to carry a separate wattmeter, particularly
> for
> the trail. Of course, if you are using a non-Elecraft QRP rig, then
> the
> need is obvious, and the T1 can serve the purpose there.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a
> real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be
> taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt
> meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive
> side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be offered
> in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form.
>
> 72 de JT, W6FO
>
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Re: RE: New Elecraft Products

In reply to this post by Craig Smith

>From: Mike Scott <[hidden email]>
>Date: Wed May 24 11:54:12 CDT 2006
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products

K3-K5? Too many features can cause a drop in the need for operating skills. I think Elecraft builders and CW Ops can be held in a high regard for thier operating skills as well as thier knowledge of electronics. With the deregulations of the ham ticket, No Code, I am happy with the Elecraft K2/100, and if a K3 never comes along I will not be dissapointed, As everyone has different requirements or needs, I think the module idea is great so add ons can be made.

Bill KA3IXF

>Now that the K3 has dual receivers (grin) and stereo audio it needs to be
>able to slave the two receivers to provide binaural I-Q receive.
>
>Mike Scott
>AE6WA
>Tarzana, CA (near LA)
>Elecraft KX1 4-Watts
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [hidden email]
>[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony
>Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:40 AM
>To: 'Larry Phipps'; 'Tom Althoff'
>Cc: [hidden email]
>Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products
>
>Hi Larry,
>
>Maybe they will need to do something like they are doing with the new amps -
>kit or assembled? And critical boards already stuffed and checked out.
>
>I built a K2 because that is the only way it comes. I bought it for the
>performance and the size. I enjoy putting kits together and I feel I do a
>good job at it. But I would rather be operating than soldering, especially
>if the price differential isn't great - an example is the KPA1500. For an
>additional 7% I get an amp assembled and checked out.
>
>I agree that some contesters and Dxers would rather buy it assembled and
>tested. And some will continue to like to build it. To me both are good
>choices to have for all of us.
>
>And while I am at it, here is my list of things I would like to see in a new
>rig. These are the minimum things I would want over a K2 in a K3:
>- Fast, quiet QSK
>- Dual receive - The ability to listen in stereo so when running split you
>can listen in one ear on the transmit freq and at the same time listen in
>the other ear to the receive frequency.
>- 6-160M - maybe even 2M?
>- Push button "clear" switch for RIT and XIT.
>- Better close in (2KHZ) dynamic range performance.
>- Switchable front end filters
>
>73,
>N2TK, Tony
>#3481
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [hidden email]
>[mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Larry Phipps
>Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:38 AM
>To: Tom Althoff
>Cc: [hidden email]
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products
>
>
>Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it
>concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a
>contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major
>problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just
>don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with
>that kind of performance. It would have to be a kit in the same context
>as the new amps... in other words, not really a kit. Of course, there is
>no rule that says that all future Elecrafts have to be kits.
>
>I think there is a KIT market for a new radio, with bigger form factor,
>more knobs, fewer menus, but not all the bells and whistles of a contest
>grade rig. Maybe there is a modular approach that could be offered,
>with a motherboard and plug-in options... more like the venerable Drake
>TR-7 in terms of physical layout of the boards... with a loaded price
>tag of maybe $2,000.
>
>Larry N8LP
>
>
>
>Tom Althoff wrote:
>> As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some
>> other way of determining the size/dimentions.
>>
>> If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I
>> would love to see a K3 that matched the amp in size.
>>
>> Make it modular and expandable. Have slots on the motherboard for 2nd
>> rcvr, 6M/2M/220/440 transverter modules etc.
>>
>> Include FM, SSTV etc as an "Optional Mode Module". Perhaps include
>> decoding of SSTV and text from other digital modes for display on an
>> optional flat panel display.
>>
>> Make the PA upgradable with choice of 20W or 200W output.
>>
>> Make it a 12V for mobile/battery operation but include a built-in
>> quiet switching supply. Maybe have the 20W be 12VDC and the 200W have
>> a built-in 50V switching supply for running on 120VAC. Just thinking
>> out loud here.
>>
>> And make some provision for split operation indicators such as putting
>> the sidetone into only one side of a stereo headphone so that
>> operators can HEAR the difference between when they are transmitting
>> split and when they are not. A visual indication such as having all
>> the frequency readouts turn red in transmit during split operation and
>> some other color when operating simplex. An operator would KNOW from
>> the first dit if he was intending to work a DXpedition split and
>> started to call simplex on the DX stations frequency. (Maybe a mild
>> shock to the keyer paddle is needed?)
>>
>> A low end version would be a 20W 160-10M CW only rig (although I
>> suspect SSB would not add that much cost).
>>
>> A high end version would run 200W with an internal AC supply and cover
>> 160-microwave all modes including general coverage on 2 receivers and
>> auto-tuning on all bands below 144Mhz.
>>
>> I think a K3 like that would be at least as expensive as adding up the
>> price of a 100W K2 with all accessories, options and converters and
>> doubling or tripling the total price.
>>
>> Tom K2TA
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig D. Smith"
>> <[hidden email]>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:06 AM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products
>>
>>
>>> I'm not interested in the amps, although they look great and hope
>>> that they
>>> are a big success. I really enjoy the test equipment kits such as
>>> the XG-2
>>> and noise source. Hopefully more specialized small test equipment
>>> such as
>>> this can be done w/o a really large R&D commitment.
>>>
>>> Of the "big" projects being discussed, the K3 is the only one that
>>> captures
>>> my interest and enthusiasm. I love my K2 - best rig I've ever had -
>>> but it
>>> sits in my shack on its small footprint as I twiddle the small knobs and
>>> drill down thru menus (if I can remember how) to operate it. My
>>> ideal K3
>>> would NOT need to be "contest grade" with 2 receivers, etc. But I would
>>> like a larger self contained unit with less menus and more knobs and a
>>> larger (color??) display. 12 V power, 100 W out, built in tuner, CW
>>> & SSB,
>>> IF DSP, spectrum display, and if possible 6 and 2 w/o external adapters.
>>> Tall order I know, but what fun it would be to build and operate!!
>>>
>>> 73
>>> ... Craig AC0DS
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Joseph Reed-2

Re: New Elecraft Products

In reply to this post by Mike Scott-7

Somehow, I don't see Elecraft coming out with a new transceiver in the near future. Their accomplishments in developing new products and innovations is pretty amazing. Tasking Wayne with the design of a new radio would be way too much overload.

But if we were to do so, I second all the features that have been mentioned, but I would also include on the design list variable passband tuning, and a good notch filter.

And K3 as a name? No way! There is no K3, there was but it is now known as Broad Peak. (Located about 5 miles away from K2 in the Karakoram range.) I think the radio Wayne is ultimately destined to design should be named McKinley.

Joe N9JR

----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Scott <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:54:12 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products

Now that the K3 has dual receivers (grin) and stereo audio it needs to be
able to slave the two receivers to provide binaural I-Q receive.

Mike Scott
AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (near LA)
Elecraft KX1 4-Watts

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From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of N2TK, Tony
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:40 AM
To: 'Larry Phipps'; 'Tom Althoff'
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products

Hi Larry,

Maybe they will need to do something like they are doing with the new amps -
kit or assembled? And critical boards already stuffed and checked out.

I built a K2 because that is the only way it comes. I bought it for the
performance and the size. I enjoy putting kits together and I feel I do a
good job at it. But I would rather be operating than soldering, especially
if the price differential isn't great - an example is the KPA1500. For an
additional 7% I get an amp assembled and checked out.

I agree that some contesters and Dxers would rather buy it assembled and
tested. And some will continue to like to build it. To me both are good
choices to have for all of us.

And while I am at it, here is my list of things I would like to see in a new
rig. These are the minimum things I would want over a K2 in a K3:
- Fast, quiet QSK
- Dual receive - The ability to listen in stereo so when running split you
can listen in one ear on the transmit freq and at the same time listen in
the other ear to the receive frequency.
- 6-160M - maybe even 2M?
- Push button "clear" switch for RIT and XIT.
- Better close in (2KHZ) dynamic range performance.
- Switchable front end filters

73,
N2TK, Tony
#3481

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Larry Phipps
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:38 AM
To: Tom Althoff
Cc: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products

Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it
concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a
contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major
problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just
don't see the big gun contesters spending months building a radio with
that kind of performance. It would have to be a kit in the same context
as the new amps... in other words, not really a kit. Of course, there is
no rule that says that all future Elecrafts have to be kits.

I think there is a KIT market for a new radio, with bigger form factor,
more knobs, fewer menus, but not all the bells and whistles of a contest
grade rig. Maybe there is a modular approach that could be offered,
with a motherboard and plug-in options... more like the venerable Drake
TR-7 in terms of physical layout of the boards... with a loaded price
tag of maybe $2,000.

Larry N8LP

Tom Althoff wrote:

Vic K2VCO

Re: New Elecraft Products

In reply to this post by Mike Scott-7

Mike Scott wrote:
> Now that the K3 has dual receivers (grin) and stereo audio it needs to be
> able to slave the two receivers to provide binaural I-Q receive.

What would this sound like? I've always wanted to try some kind of
crossover device that would distribute the signal between the two
earphones according to frequency. Then as I tune through a CW signal,
it would seem to move. Is this the same idea?
--
73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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Re: New Elecraft Products

In reply to this post by Leigh L. Klotz Jr WA5ZNU

Why would you lose out on the wattmeter? The power (forward and
reflected) is derived from an on-board coupler and calculations are
done in the KAT's MCU. VRFdet doesn't have anything to do with that.

On May 24, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:

> I wish it were possible to use the KAT100 wattmeter with an
> amplifier other than the KPA100 but it isn't. I have an HFPacker
> amp, and if you bring VRFdet into the K2, it applies the K2 ALC to
> the output of the amplifier, and the RF gain knob won't go past
> 15W. The solution from Gary was to use the internal VRFdet, but
> that means I lose out on the wattmeter.
>
> Maybe I could make a PIC-based display or even a simple vu-style
> comparator that reads the external VRFdet!
>
> Leigh/WA5ZNU
> On Wed, 24 May 2006 7:07 am, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> JT,
>>
>> The Elecraft KAT2, KAT1, KXAT1, KAT100 and KAT100 already contain
>> wattmeters, so if you have one of these in your station, you do
>> have a
>> wattmeter buit in - no need to carry a separate wattmeter,
>> particularly for
>> the trail. Of course, if you are using a non-Elecraft QRP rig,
>> then the
>> need is obvious, and the T1 can serve the purpose there.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a
>> real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be
>> taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt
>> meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive
>> side IMO. I think a watt meter of this type could probably be
>> offered
>> in the $50 - $75 range, especially in kit form.
>>
>> 72 de JT, W6FO
>>
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