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Joseph Trombino, Jr

New tuning knob for the KX2

Howdy Gang.

I love my KX2 but the main tuning knob has always been a problem for me.

It’s just a tad too small and not easy to spin rapidly.

I found a very nice aluminum knob for the KX2 being sold on eBay by a gentleman in Winterport,ME.

The tracking item nr. is: 264113321673.

The knob costs $24.95 shipped, is CNC machined aluminum and is black in color….not exactly cheap but worth every penny IMHO.

I just put it on my KX2 and tuning is now a dream…it feels like a much larger knob and the finger dimple is larger than the stock KX2 knob which allows for a nice fit.

It also fits the KX1 for all of the KX1 users out there.

A very nice addition to my KX2.

Now, if only Wayne can find a ball bearing rotary encoder for the KX2 all would be well in the world (grin).

Enjoy those Elecraft radios.

73, Joe W2KJ
I QRP, therefore I am
KX2-KX3

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Mike Morrow-3

Re: New tuning knob for the KX2

Joe wrote:

>I love my KX2 but the main tuning knob has always been a problem for me.
>
>It’s just a tad too small and not easy to spin rapidly.
>
>I found a very nice aluminum knob for the KX2 being sold on eBay by a gentleman in Winterport,ME.
>
>The tracking item nr. is: 264113321673.
>
>The knob costs $24.95 shipped, is CNC machined aluminum and is black in color….not exactly cheap but worth every penny IMHO.
>
>I just put it on my KX2 and tuning is now a dream…it feels like a much larger knob and the finger dimple is larger than the stock KX2 knob which allows for a nice fit.
>
>It also fits the KX1 for all of the KX1 users out there.
>
>A very nice addition to my KX2.
>
>Now, if only Wayne can find a ball bearing rotary encoder for the KX2 all would be well in the world (grin).
>
>Enjoy those Elecraft radios.
>
> 73, Joe W2KJ
> I QRP, therefore I am

Better is "I QRP, therefore I HAM"?

To your point, this is what Wayne/N6KR wrote about the KX2 knob, 30 March 2017, on the Elecraft list:

----Start quote----------
In response to various comments on the KX2 knob (today and earlier):

Our goal for the KX2 was to make it really lightweight. Light enough to be used as an HT. Goat-optional on longer hikes.

Even 1 ounce of additional weight can increase fatigue when holding a device (try, for example, carrying around an iPhone 7 vs. an iPhone 7+). So we designed a low-profile plastic VFO A knob that is big enough to get the job done.

Another reason not to use a heavier knob is that the KX2’s VFO encoder is itself a compact unit that has a sleeve bearing. Weighted knobs should in general be used only with heavier, ball-bearing style encoders. On this encoder, a heavy knob would shorten the rotational life.

Regarding adding a dimple: I’ve tried knobs this size with dimples and found that they were hard to use. A matter of taste and fingertip size, I guess. Meanwhile, the present knob can be “spun” to a certain degree by putting light finger pressure on the rim.

73,
Wayne
N6KR
----End quote------

Mike / KK5F
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wayne burdick

Re: New tuning knob for the KX2

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Nonetheless: to each his own :)

Wayne
N6KR

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> On Jan 7, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Joe wrote:
>
>> I love my KX2 but the main tuning knob has always been a problem for me.
>>
>> It’s just a tad too small and not easy to spin rapidly.
>>
>> I found a very nice aluminum knob for the KX2 being sold on eBay by a gentleman in Winterport,ME.
>>
>> The tracking item nr. is: 264113321673.
>>
>> The knob costs $24.95 shipped, is CNC machined aluminum and is black in color….not exactly cheap but worth every penny IMHO.
>>
>> I just put it on my KX2 and tuning is now a dream…it feels like a much larger knob and the finger dimple is larger than the stock KX2 knob which allows for a nice fit.
>>
>> It also fits the KX1 for all of the KX1 users out there.
>>
>> A very nice addition to my KX2.
>>
>> Now, if only Wayne can find a ball bearing rotary encoder for the KX2 all would be well in the world (grin).
>>
>> Enjoy those Elecraft radios.
>>
>> 73, Joe W2KJ
>> I QRP, therefore I am
>
> Better is "I QRP, therefore I HAM"?
>
> To your point, this is what Wayne/N6KR wrote about the KX2 knob, 30 March 2017, on the Elecraft list:
>
> ----Start quote----------
> In response to various comments on the KX2 knob (today and earlier):
>
> Our goal for the KX2 was to make it really lightweight. Light enough to be used as an HT. Goat-optional on longer hikes.
>
> Even 1 ounce of additional weight can increase fatigue when holding a device (try, for example, carrying around an iPhone 7 vs. an iPhone 7+). So we designed a low-profile plastic VFO A knob that is big enough to get the job done.
>
> Another reason not to use a heavier knob is that the KX2’s VFO encoder is itself a compact unit that has a sleeve bearing. Weighted knobs should in general be used only with heavier, ball-bearing style encoders. On this encoder, a heavy knob would shorten the rotational life.
>
> Regarding adding a dimple: I’ve tried knobs this size with dimples and found that they were hard to use. A matter of taste and fingertip size, I guess. Meanwhile, the present knob can be “spun” to a certain degree by putting light finger pressure on the rim.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> ----End quote------
>
> Mike / KK5F
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Mike Morrow-3

Re: New tuning knob for the KX2

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If **only** we could get the candid and informed evaluation of someone who was *really* familiar with the KX2!! :-)

Mike / KK5F
K1 #175 (11/2000)
KX2 #2211 (11/2017)

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>From: Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Jan 7, 2019 7:48 PM
>To: Mike Morrow <[hidden email]>
>Cc: Elecraft <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New tuning knob for the KX2
>
>Nonetheless: to each his own :)
>
>Wayne
>N6KR
>
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>
>> On Jan 7, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Mike Morrow <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Joe wrote:
>>
>>> I love my KX2 but the main tuning knob has always been a problem for me.
>>>
>>> It’s just a tad too small and not easy to spin rapidly.
>>>
>>> I found a very nice aluminum knob for the KX2 being sold on eBay by a gentleman in Winterport,ME.
>>>
>>> The tracking item nr. is: 264113321673.
>>>
>>> The knob costs $24.95 shipped, is CNC machined aluminum and is black in color….not exactly cheap but worth every penny IMHO.
>>>
>>> I just put it on my KX2 and tuning is now a dream…it feels like a much larger knob and the finger dimple is larger than the stock KX2 knob which allows for a nice fit.
>>>
>>> It also fits the KX1 for all of the KX1 users out there.
>>>
>>> A very nice addition to my KX2.
>>>
>>> Now, if only Wayne can find a ball bearing rotary encoder for the KX2 all would be well in the world (grin).
>>>
>>> Enjoy those Elecraft radios.
>>>
>>> 73, Joe W2KJ
>>> I QRP, therefore I am
>>
>> Better is "I QRP, therefore I HAM"?
>>
>> To your point, this is what Wayne/N6KR wrote about the KX2 knob, 30 March 2017, on the Elecraft list:
>>
>> ----Start quote----------
>> In response to various comments on the KX2 knob (today and earlier):
>>
>> Our goal for the KX2 was to make it really lightweight. Light enough to be used as an HT. Goat-optional on longer hikes.
>>
>> Even 1 ounce of additional weight can increase fatigue when holding a device (try, for example, carrying around an iPhone 7 vs. an iPhone 7+). So we designed a low-profile plastic VFO A knob that is big enough to get the job done.
>>
>> Another reason not to use a heavier knob is that the KX2’s VFO encoder is itself a compact unit that has a sleeve bearing. Weighted knobs should in general be used only with heavier, ball-bearing style encoders. On this encoder, a heavy knob would shorten the rotational life.
>>
>> Regarding adding a dimple: I’ve tried knobs this size with dimples and found that they were hard to use. A matter of taste and fingertip size, I guess. Meanwhile, the present knob can be “spun” to a certain degree by putting light finger pressure on the rim.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> ----End quote------
>>
>> Mike / KK5F

Dave New, N8SBE

Re: New tuning knob for the KX2

In reply to this post by Joseph Trombino, Jr

I"ve always wished for a 'ballistic' interface, i.e. the faster you turn
the VFO knob the larger the frequency change per turn. On the other
hand, I've suffered poor implementations of that feature (uBitX,
anyone?), so it would need to be done carefully, if at all. ICOM seems
to have managed to come up with what I feel is a good implementation. I
used it for years on my old IC-735 (that I sold to partially fund my
upgrade to a K3), and now on my IC-7000 that I still use mobile. One of
the things I immediately missed on the K3 was lack of a ballistic VFO
interface, and lack of band-stacking registers.

I guess that Elecraft has had some edict(?) that they don't like
ballistic VFO interfaces, so I guess we will all have to live with a
fixed tuning rate. Maybe there is a patent thicket that prevents
implementing some of the more popular features on competitive radios?

Have said all that, I really like using the RIT knob to move large
chunks of frequency quickly. For me it's a lot easier than pushing the
rate button to shift the tuning rate on the VFO back and forth. And I
became recently aware that there is a solution for the band-stacking
registers on the K3/K3s, using a special mode for the keypad memory
register recall. I haven't tried it yet, but it is now on my to-do
list.

On my original K3, I did get the upgraded CNC milled knobs (both A and
B) from a 3rd party, and really liked them. I've since gone to a K3s,
and let the upgraded knobs go to a friend when he bought my old K3. So
far, I've not felt like I need to upgrade the knobs on the K3s. They
seem more substantial, somehow.

Yes, the knobs on the KX2 are light and small, but somehow it seems
apropos for the design.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE

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Don Wilhelm

Re: New tuning knob for the KX2

I had "ballistic" tuning on the FT-847 that I had and hated it. Maybe I
did not develop the right touch, but I would find when trying to tune
quickly up or down a few kHz, I would end up going a MHz or more and
have to struggle to get back where I wanted to be.

I use the bandswitching provided by the K3 Quick Memories, and have not
touched the BAND+/BAND- buttons in years. Read the manual to see how to
do it.

As far as band-stacking memories, save the current band/freq/etc. in one
of the M1-M4 buttons and you can easily come back to that frequency (as
long as you don't leave that band). I have the M1-M3 memories for each
band set to take me to the center of my CW operating band (M1), Data
mode (M2) and SSB (M3) leaving M4 for storing the current VFOs for a
quick come back to the prior frequency. It works well for me.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/8/2019 1:48 PM, Dave New, N8SBE wrote:

> I"ve always wished for a 'ballistic' interface, i.e. the faster you turn
> the VFO knob the larger the frequency change per turn. On the other
> hand, I've suffered poor implementations of that feature (uBitX,
> anyone?), so it would need to be done carefully, if at all. ICOM seems
> to have managed to come up with what I feel is a good implementation. I
> used it for years on my old IC-735 (that I sold to partially fund my
> upgrade to a K3), and now on my IC-7000 that I still use mobile. One of
> the things I immediately missed on the K3 was lack of a ballistic VFO
> interface, and lack of band-stacking registers.
>
> I guess that Elecraft has had some edict(?) that they don't like
> ballistic VFO interfaces, so I guess we will all have to live with a
> fixed tuning rate. Maybe there is a patent thicket that prevents
> implementing some of the more popular features on competitive radios?
>
> Have said all that, I really like using the RIT knob to move large
> chunks of frequency quickly. For me it's a lot easier than pushing the
> rate button to shift the tuning rate on the VFO back and forth. And I
> became recently aware that there is a solution for the band-stacking
> registers on the K3/K3s, using a special mode for the keypad memory
> register recall. I haven't tried it yet, but it is now on my to-do
> list.
>

Bill Frantz

Re: New tuning knob for the KX2

What I would really like for fine adjustment, e.g. one step when
tuning weak RTTY, is tactile feedback from the knob. A slight
bump for each time the VFO changes by one tuning unit. Note that
in today's radios, tuning is not continuous, it is digital, and
knowing when you have moved the VFO is useful.

I use the M memories for switching between CW, Data A, RTTY, and
SSB. No memories left. (I consider a good day on the air is one
where I have digital, CW, and voice QSOs.)

73 Bill AE6JV

On 1/8/19 at 11:22 AM, [hidden email] (Don Wilhelm) wrote:

>I had "ballistic" tuning on the FT-847 that I had and hated
>it. Maybe I did not develop the right touch, but I would find
>when trying to tune quickly up or down a few kHz, I would end
>up going a MHz or more and have to struggle to get back where I
>wanted to be.
>
>...
>
>I have the M1-M3 memories for each band set to take me to the
>center of my CW operating band (M1), Data mode (M2) and SSB
>(M3) leaving M4 for storing the current VFOs for a quick come
>back to the prior frequency. It works well for me.

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Nr4c

Re: New tuning knob for the KX2

My best compromise is to use the KNob or whatever they called it. Set K3 to read 10 Hz and KNob is 1/2 that. Works great for S&P CW and RTTY.

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...nr4c. bill

> On Jan 8, 2019, at 4:30 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> What I would really like for fine adjustment, e.g. one step when tuning weak RTTY, is tactile feedback from the knob. A slight bump for each time the VFO changes by one tuning unit. Note that in today's radios, tuning is not continuous, it is digital, and knowing when you have moved the VFO is useful.
>
> I use the M memories for switching between CW, Data A, RTTY, and SSB. No memories left. (I consider a good day on the air is one where I have digital, CW, and voice QSOs.)
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
>> On 1/8/19 at 11:22 AM, [hidden email] (Don Wilhelm) wrote:
>>
>> I had "ballistic" tuning on the FT-847 that I had and hated it. Maybe I did not develop the right touch, but I would find when trying to tune quickly up or down a few kHz, I would end up going a MHz or more and have to struggle to get back where I wanted to be.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> I have the M1-M3 memories for each band set to take me to the center of my CW operating band (M1), Data mode (M2) and SSB (M3) leaving M4 for storing the current VFOs for a quick come back to the prior frequency. It works well for me.
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ab2tc

Re: New tuning knob for the KX2

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Hi all,

Tactile feedback from the VFO knob? Absolutely no, no, no!! The VFO knob
should feel like the old analog VFO and with 10Hz step size it does. No
changes please!!

AB2TC - Knut

Bill Frantz wrote

> What I would really like for fine adjustment, e.g. one step when
> tuning weak RTTY, is tactile feedback from the knob. A slight
> bump for each time the VFO changes by one tuning unit. Note that
> in today's radios, tuning is not continuous, it is digital, and
> knowing when you have moved the VFO is useful.
>
> I use the M memories for switching between CW, Data A, RTTY, and
> SSB. No memories left. (I consider a good day on the air is one
> where I have digital, CW, and voice QSOs.)
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 1/8/19 at 11:22 AM,

> donwilh@

> (Don Wilhelm) wrote:
>>

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Bill Frantz

Re: New tuning knob for the KX2

Knut -

With all due respect, I strongly disagree. With an analog knob,
the smallest movement of the knob results in a change of
frequency. My K-Pod moves several degrees before the frequency
changes. The main knob on the K3 moves less, probably half the
number of degrees, but with both knobs it is very hard to know
you have made exactly one step in frequency. When I'm tuning
weak RTTY, I have my eyes glued to the decode window, not the
frequency readout. (I use the K-Pod because I can place it next
to the mouse where it is easy to reach.)

73 & GL - Bill AE6JV

On 1/8/19 at 4:51 PM, [hidden email] (ab2tc) wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Tactile feedback from the VFO knob? Absolutely no, no, no!! The VFO knob
>should feel like the old analog VFO and with 10Hz step size it does. No
>changes please!!
>
>AB2TC - Knut
>
>
>Bill Frantz wrote
>>What I would really like for fine adjustment, e.g. one step
>>when tuning weak RTTY, is tactile feedback from the knob. A
>>slight bump for each time the VFO changes by one tuning unit.
>>Note that in today's radios, tuning is not continuous, it is
>>digital, and knowing when you have moved the VFO is useful.
>>
>>I use the M memories for switching between CW, Data A, RTTY,
>>and SSB. No memories left. (I consider a good day on the air
>>is one where I have digital, CW, and voice QSOs.)
>>
>>73 Bill AE6JV
>>
>>On 1/8/19 at 11:22 AM,
>
>>donwilh@
>
>>(Don Wilhelm) wrote:
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
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Grant Youngman-2

Re: New tuning knob for the KX2

We’ve gone from a weighted knob for the KX2 (I don’t own one, so have no opinion) to a dimpled tuning mechanism on the K3. As to that, no thanks. (How ever did we do ham radio without one?)

Perhaps a shock device, appropriately connected to the operator, that would fire every time a digit changes? Or maybe just a beep in the monitor every time a digit changes (as long as it can be turned off)? But please no dimpled tuning …

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Jan 8, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Knut -
>
> With all due respect, I strongly disagree. With an analog knob, the smallest movement of the knob results in a change of frequency. My K-Pod moves several degrees before the frequency changes. The main knob on the K3 moves less, probably half the number of degrees, but with both knobs it is very hard to know you have made exactly one step in frequency. When I'm tuning weak RTTY, I have my eyes glued to the decode window, not the frequency readout. (I use the K-Pod because I can place it next to the mouse where it is easy to reach.)
>

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Nr4c

Re: New tuning knob for the KX2

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I found that for RTTY especially, K-Pod (KNob) is on left and right hand always on mouse at right of keyboard.(Apple Bluetooth ).

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> On Jan 8, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Knut -
>
> With all due respect, I strongly disagree. With an analog knob, the smallest movement of the knob results in a change of frequency. My K-Pod moves several degrees before the frequency changes. The main knob on the K3 moves less, probably half the number of degrees, but with both knobs it is very hard to know you have made exactly one step in frequency. When I'm tuning weak RTTY, I have my eyes glued to the decode window, not the frequency readout. (I use the K-Pod because I can place it next to the mouse where it is easy to reach.)
>
> 73 & GL - Bill AE6JV
>
>> On 1/8/19 at 4:51 PM, [hidden email] (ab2tc) wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Tactile feedback from the VFO knob? Absolutely no, no, no!! The VFO knob
>> should feel like the old analog VFO and with 10Hz step size it does. No
>> changes please!!
>>
>> AB2TC - Knut
>>
>>
>> Bill Frantz wrote
>>> What I would really like for fine adjustment, e.g. one step when tuning weak RTTY, is tactile feedback from the knob. A slight bump for each time the VFO changes by one tuning unit. Note that in today's radios, tuning is not continuous, it is digital, and knowing when you have moved the VFO is useful.
>>>
>>> I use the M memories for switching between CW, Data A, RTTY, and SSB. No memories left. (I consider a good day on the air is one where I have digital, CW, and voice QSOs.)
>>>
>>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>>>
>>> On 1/8/19 at 11:22 AM,
>>
>>> donwilh@
>>
>>> (Don Wilhelm) wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Bob McGraw - K4TAX

Re: New tuning knob for the KX2

Regardless of what is added, how it works, or what it does, there will always be those that like it. And likewise, there will be those that object and won't like it. It needs to fit the needs of the masses.

I've worked systems both ways. I like it the way it works at present.

73
Bob, K4TAX

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> On Jan 8, 2019, at 9:10 PM, Nr4c <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> I found that for RTTY especially, K-Pod (KNob) is on left and right hand always on mouse at right of keyboard.(Apple Bluetooth ).
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> ...nr4c. bill
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>> On Jan 8, 2019, at 9:11 PM, Bill Frantz <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Knut -
>>
>> With all due respect, I strongly disagree. With an analog knob, the smallest movement of the knob results in a change of frequency. My K-Pod moves several degrees before the frequency changes. The main knob on the K3 moves less, probably half the number of degrees, but with both knobs it is very hard to know you have made exactly one step in frequency. When I'm tuning weak RTTY, I have my eyes glued to the decode window, not the frequency readout. (I use the K-Pod because I can place it next to the mouse where it is easy to reach.)
>>
>> 73 & GL - Bill AE6JV
>>
>>> On 1/8/19 at 4:51 PM, [hidden email] (ab2tc) wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Tactile feedback from the VFO knob? Absolutely no, no, no!! The VFO knob
>>> should feel like the old analog VFO and with 10Hz step size it does. No
>>> changes please!!
>>>
>>> AB2TC - Knut
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Frantz wrote
>>>> What I would really like for fine adjustment, e.g. one step when tuning weak RTTY, is tactile feedback from the knob. A slight bump for each time the VFO changes by one tuning unit. Note that in today's radios, tuning is not continuous, it is digital, and knowing when you have moved the VFO is useful.
>>>>
>>>> I use the M memories for switching between CW, Data A, RTTY, and SSB. No memories left. (I consider a good day on the air is one where I have digital, CW, and voice QSOs.)
>>>>
>>>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>>>>
>>>> On 1/8/19 at 11:22 AM,
>>>
>>>> donwilh@
>>>
>>>> (Don Wilhelm) wrote:
>>>>>
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