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Newbie K2 questions

Tom Althoff
#1117 arrived in the mail today!   I am AMAZED at what is coming out of this little box.   I was listening to weak EU's on 40CW at 1900Z and flipping back and forth between my Orion and the K2.   Not a lot of difference.   It will be interesting to test tonight in the pileups to see how well the 100Hz filter works in both rigs.

Question #1:
Is there a way to change the shaft encoder rate?   Not the rate button rate but the actual # of pulses per revolution in the hardware or firmware?  I'd like to get about 2.5Khz per rev.  Right now I can choose between 1.0Khz and 5.0Khz.

Question #2 for K2/100 owners:
How much output can you get with the K2 running 5 watts into the K2/100?   I'm considering the 5W at full scale mod for the K2 but might like to swap out the cover with the battery pack and auto-tuner for the 100W module to drive my amp.   If I could get 20-30W out of the K2-100 with the K2 running 5W that would be great.

Question #3:
I have the AtoB, matched crystals, keyclick mod, KAF2  etc etc on their way.   I'm open to suggestions.   Should I dig in and install the mods right away?  Or should I relax and enjoy the radio for a while and get "used" to it first?   If I get used to it, will the matched crystals, KAF2 and other mods be a dramatic improvement compared to the basic #1112 which only has the NB/SSB/Auto-Tuner options in it.

Question 4:
When running on a fully charged internal battery can you get the same ammount of power out as you do on a fixed external supply?   Just curious.

Oh... The stock knob is gone.   The previous owner had a nice ridged knob with a spinner grip installed on the rig.   But I had an old knob from an Ampex VPR-3 1" broadcast videotape machine whose diameter just meets with the bottom edge of the K2 and only slightly covers the lables for the ATT and A VFO.   It is heavily weighted and the knurled edge is thicker than an ordinary knob, even deeper than the ones on the Orion, plus it's tapered which is unusual and feels great for rolling your fingers around the outside edge as you tune.   Will take a pic of it if anyone is interested.

This is a great list!   Many people answered my probe pic questions and I have a pair of color photos of the actual probes.   Thanks to all who replied directly.

73 de one happy K2 camper!   BTW...When my wife saw me take the K2 out of the box she remarked "What a cute little pooter!" a phrase she normally reserves for newborn infants and puppies. 8-)

Tom K2TA
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Re: Newbie K2 questions

Don Wilhelm-3
Tom,

Question 2 -- Do not put the 5 watt T4 winding on your K2 unless you are
strictly CW and QRP.  With this mod in place, the K2 finals are not
sufficiently linear for SSB, and when the occasion arises when the drive
must be above 5 watts, the efficency is worse than with the standard
winding.  In other words - the mod will not limit the power to 5 watts, it
only makes the efficency at 5 watts better (and the efficency above 5 watts
suffers).

Question 4 -- A volt is a volt, so it matters not whether it comes from a
battery or an external supply.  However, a battery will soon discharge to
below its freshly charged rated voltage of 13.2 volts, and an external power
supply usually will put out 13.8 volts.  If you are charging the internal
battery from the external supply, you will need a supply that puts out 14.1
to 14.3 volts, the protection diode drops about 0.3 volts (after your A to B
mods) and for the best lifetime of your battery, it should be maintained in
a fully charged state.

One other subtle point - the K2 ALC will attempt to produce the power you
request on the POWER knob, so the net result of a lowered voltage will be
increased current draw from the supply - of course when running at max
power, a voltage sag will result in reduced power because in that case, the
max power is limited by the gain of the K2 circuits.

On your Question 3 -- become 'familiar' with it before doing the upgrades
and mods, but don't get 'used to it' because you should see significant
improvement with the upgrades.

73,
Don W3FPR

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Althoff" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:05 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Newbie K2 questions


#1117 arrived in the mail today!   I am AMAZED at what is coming out of this
little box.   I was listening to weak EU's on 40CW at 1900Z and flipping
back and forth between my Orion and the K2.   Not a lot of difference.   It
will be interesting to test tonight in the pileups to see how well the 100Hz
filter works in both rigs.

Question #1:
Is there a way to change the shaft encoder rate?   Not the rate button rate
but the actual # of pulses per revolution in the hardware or firmware?  I'd
like to get about 2.5Khz per rev.  Right now I can choose between 1.0Khz and
5.0Khz.

Question #2 for K2/100 owners:
How much output can you get with the K2 running 5 watts into the K2/100?
I'm considering the 5W at full scale mod for the K2 but might like to swap
out the cover with the battery pack and auto-tuner for the 100W module to
drive my amp.   If I could get 20-30W out of the K2-100 with the K2 running
5W that would be great.

Question #3:
I have the AtoB, matched crystals, keyclick mod, KAF2  etc etc on their way.
I'm open to suggestions.   Should I dig in and install the mods right away?
Or should I relax and enjoy the radio for a while and get "used" to it
first?   If I get used to it, will the matched crystals, KAF2 and other mods
be a dramatic improvement compared to the basic #1112 which only has the
NB/SSB/Auto-Tuner options in it.

Question 4:
When running on a fully charged internal battery can you get the same
ammount of power out as you do on a fixed external supply?   Just curious.

Oh... The stock knob is gone.   The previous owner had a nice ridged knob
with a spinner grip installed on the rig.   But I had an old knob from an
Ampex VPR-3 1" broadcast videotape machine whose diameter just meets with
the bottom edge of the K2 and only slightly covers the lables for the ATT
and A VFO.   It is heavily weighted and the knurled edge is thicker than an
ordinary knob, even deeper than the ones on the Orion, plus it's tapered
which is unusual and feels great for rolling your fingers around the outside
edge as you tune.   Will take a pic of it if anyone is interested.

This is a great list!   Many people answered my probe pic questions and I
have a pair of color photos of the actual probes.   Thanks to all who
replied directly.

73 de one happy K2 camper!   BTW...When my wife saw me take the K2 out of
the box she remarked "What a cute little pooter!" a phrase she normally
reserves for newborn infants and puppies. 8-)

Tom K2TA
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Re: Newbie K2 questions

VR2BrettGraham
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K2TA wrote:

>Oh... The stock knob is gone.   The previous owner had a nice ridged knob
>with a spinner grip installed on the rig.   But I had an old knob from an
>Ampex VPR-3 1" broadcast videotape machine whose diameter just meets with
>the bottom edge of the K2 and only slightly covers the lables for the ATT
>and A VFO.

Darn, I know where there's a VPR-3 here that's not doing anything - never would
have imagined that the shuttle knob would fit a K2.  From Tom's
description, this
is a fitting way to recycle bits from the best Type C VTR ever produced.

Alex Poniatoff might even have approved.  ;^)

73, VR2BrettGraham
ex-AMPEX HK

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Re: Newbie K2 questions

N8LP
It's nice to see some fellow ex-broadcast types on here. I worked in TV
broadcast and later owned a post-production house. I think I've used or
owned just about every AMPEX product ever made dating back to the model
350 audio tape deck, every VTR from the VR-1000 forward except the AVR-3
and VPR-80 (including the high speed tape duplicator of which I think
only three were made). HS-100 & 200 slomo disc recorders, AVA paint
system, several ADOs, ACE editors, Century 330 switchers, etc. Never had
a DCT deck or the storage deck based on it though... we went with
DigiBeta, D1 and D5 at that time.

It was a sad day indeed when AMPEX closed up shop. Without question,
Redwood City was the center of the video universe. A lot of those guys
went on to make more great products like Abekas (we also had a ton of
Abekas equipment).

73,
Larry N8LP



VR2BrettGraham wrote:

> K2TA wrote:
>
>> Oh... The stock knob is gone.   The previous owner had a nice ridged
>> knob with a spinner grip installed on the rig.   But I had an old
>> knob from an Ampex VPR-3 1" broadcast videotape machine whose
>> diameter just meets with the bottom edge of the K2 and only slightly
>> covers the lables for the ATT and A VFO.
>
>
> Darn, I know where there's a VPR-3 here that's not doing anything -
> never would
> have imagined that the shuttle knob would fit a K2.  From Tom's
> description, this
> is a fitting way to recycle bits from the best Type C VTR ever produced.
>
> Alex Poniatoff might even have approved.  ;^)
>
> 73, VR2BrettGraham
> ex-AMPEX HK
>
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Re: Newbie K2 questions

Tom Althoff
Sorry for the off-topic content.

Wow...it looks like the magic word was Ampex!  It is good to know I have
something in common with at least 2 people here besides ham radio.
I had some old HS-100 discs that I hot-glued audio CD's in the middle of to
make them look like giant LP's.  They made good mirrors.  Also had one with
a clock movement in the middle.

Yes...I miss Ampex.

On topic.... My AtoB, KAF2 and internal battery arrived today.  I took Don
W3FPR's suggestion that I swipe one of the 470pf caps from the 10/12
bandpass filter update and put it in the VCO circuit....VOILA!!!!   I'm on
160M with the K2 again (after first pulling out all the junk caps
parallelled and sucking the solder out of the holes etc.).   Now I just need
to order a replacement 470pf for the bandpass filter.

It's great to have a radio that I can fix on top of my washing machine (the
only clear bench space I could find today).  And its great to meet such
helpful friendly people... I wish the ham bands themselves were this
pleasant to participate on.

Tom K2TA

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From: "Larry Phipps" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Newbie K2 questions


> It's nice to see some fellow ex-broadcast types on here. I worked in TV
> broadcast and later owned a post-production house. I think I've used or
> owned just about every AMPEX product ever made dating back to the model
> 350 audio tape deck, every VTR from the VR-1000 forward except the AVR-3
> and VPR-80 (including the high speed tape duplicator of which I think
> only three were made). HS-100 & 200 slomo disc recorders, AVA paint
> system, several ADOs, ACE editors, Century 330 switchers, etc. Never had
> a DCT deck or the storage deck based on it though... we went with
> DigiBeta, D1 and D5 at that time.
>
> It was a sad day indeed when AMPEX closed up shop. Without question,
> Redwood City was the center of the video universe. A lot of those guys
> went on to make more great products like Abekas (we also had a ton of
> Abekas equipment).
>
> 73,
> Larry N8LP
>
>
>
> VR2BrettGraham wrote:
>
> > K2TA wrote:
> >
> >> Oh... The stock knob is gone.   The previous owner had a nice ridged
> >> knob with a spinner grip installed on the rig.   But I had an old
> >> knob from an Ampex VPR-3 1" broadcast videotape machine whose
> >> diameter just meets with the bottom edge of the K2 and only slightly
> >> covers the lables for the ATT and A VFO.
> >
> >
> > Darn, I know where there's a VPR-3 here that's not doing anything -
> > never would
> > have imagined that the shuttle knob would fit a K2.  From Tom's
> > description, this
> > is a fitting way to recycle bits from the best Type C VTR ever produced.
> >
> > Alex Poniatoff might even have approved.  ;^)
> >
> > 73, VR2BrettGraham
> > ex-AMPEX HK
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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