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Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH

No USB audio output from K3/0 Mini

I have a running K3-Remote setup with Remoterig boxes, K3/0 Mini
and RRMINICBL & RRMTCBL cable sets. Everything but the USB audio to/from
the K3/0 Mini works. I have a USB cable from the K3/0 Mini to my pc at the
control site. A USB audio device is created on my Win 10 pc, but using
this USB audio device from WSJT-X version 1.7.0 the program gets no
audio. The K3 and K3/0 Mini has firmware 5.57.

According to www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm this should work: *The
K3/0-Mini comes with built-in USB support using the USB audio CODEC & FTDI
technology.*

On the Remoterig Forum at www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php there are some
posts on this problem, but no solution. I have also in vain searched
www.mail-archive.com/[hidden email]/maillist.html I hope the
Elecraft experts here can help.

73, Palle, OZ1RH
www.oz1rh.com
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Oliver Dröse

Re: No USB audio output from K3/0 Mini

Hi Palle,

this won't work. TX and RX audio are reversed on the mini's USB port as it's intend is to interface to the PC and use that as a relay to the remote (as an alternative to the RRC boxes). It's a real pity it is not jumper configurable inside as this renders the USB port useless for digital remote ops.

73, Olli - DH8BQA

> Am 10.05.2017 um 14:44 schrieb Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH <[hidden email]>:
>
> I have a running K3-Remote setup with Remoterig boxes, K3/0 Mini
> and RRMINICBL & RRMTCBL cable sets. Everything but the USB audio to/from
> the K3/0 Mini works. I have a USB cable from the K3/0 Mini to my pc at the
> control site. A USB audio device is created on my Win 10 pc, but using
> this USB audio device from WSJT-X version 1.7.0 the program gets no
> audio. The K3 and K3/0 Mini has firmware 5.57.
>
> According to www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm this should work: *The
> K3/0-Mini comes with built-in USB support using the USB audio CODEC & FTDI
> technology.*
>
> On the Remoterig Forum at www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php there are some
> posts on this problem, but no solution. I have also in vain searched
> www.mail-archive.com/[hidden email]/maillist.html I hope the
> Elecraft experts here can help.
>
> 73, Palle, OZ1RH
> www.oz1rh.com
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Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH

Re: No USB audio output from K3/0 Mini

Tnx Olli,

If TX and RX audio are reversed on the Mini's USB port the simple solution
seems to reverse TX and RX audio once more by software, either by selecting
the Input as USB speakers and Output as USB microphone in WSJT or wherever
software is used or if that is not possible then to use two virtual audio
cables and cross them.

Any reason that two virtual audio cables in the pc at the control site
can't reverse Input and Output of the USB audio devices of the K3/0-Mini?

The best solution would be if the K3/0-Mini's USB port Input and Output
audio could be configured (=reversed) by the Config menu of the K3/0-Mini.
In that case the K3/0-Mini's USB port could be configured by the user for
either Remoterig hardware or software RemoteHams.com and it would be easy
to switch.

73, Palle, OZ1RH
www.oz1rh.com

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Oliver Dröse <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Palle,
>
> this won't work. TX and RX audio are reversed on the mini's USB port as
> it's intend is to interface to the PC and use that as a relay to the remote
> (as an alternative to the RRC boxes). It's a real pity it is not jumper
> configurable inside as this renders the USB port useless for digital remote
> ops.
>
> 73, Olli - DH8BQA
>
>
>
> > Am 10.05.2017 um 14:44 schrieb Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH <
> [hidden email]>:
> >
> > I have a running K3-Remote setup with Remoterig boxes, K3/0 Mini
> > and RRMINICBL & RRMTCBL cable sets. Everything but the USB audio to/from
> > the K3/0 Mini works. I have a USB cable from the K3/0 Mini to my pc at
> the
> > control site. A USB audio device is created on my Win 10 pc, but using
> > this USB audio device from WSJT-X version 1.7.0 the program gets no
> > audio. The K3 and K3/0 Mini has firmware 5.57.
> >
> > According to www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm this should work:
> *The
> > K3/0-Mini comes with built-in USB support using the USB audio CODEC &
> FTDI
> > technology.*
> >
> > On the Remoterig Forum at www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php there are
> some
> > posts on this problem, but no solution. I have also in vain searched
> > www.mail-archive.com/[hidden email]/maillist.html I hope the
> > Elecraft experts here can help.
> >
> > 73, Palle, OZ1RH
> > www.oz1rh.com
> >

Iain MacDonnell - N6ML-2

Re: No USB audio output from K3/0 Mini

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> If TX and RX audio are reversed on the Mini's USB port the simple solution
> seems to reverse TX and RX audio once more by software, either by selecting
> the Input as USB speakers and Output as USB microphone in WSJT or wherever
> software is used or if that is not possible then to use two virtual audio
> cables and cross them.
>
> Any reason that two virtual audio cables in the pc at the control site
> can't reverse Input and Output of the USB audio devices of the K3/0-Mini?

I don't think that's what Olli meant by "reversed". I think he means
that audio received from the K3/0-Mini via the USB "codec" would be
audio that was intended to be conveyed (by the PC) to a remote peer
for transmission (e.g. from a mic connected to the K3/0-Mini), and
audio sent to the K3/0-Mini via USB "codec" would be output through
its speaker or headphones, as if it had been received from a remote
peer.... so you can't send audio to the K3/0-Mini through the USB
"codec" and expect it to get passed along via the RemoteRig on the
other side, no matter what fancy virtual plumbing you do in software.

I don't have a K3/0-Mini or RemoteRig setup, but that's the only
interpretation that makes sense to me.

> The best solution would be if the K3/0-Mini's USB port Input and Output
> audio could be configured (=reversed) by the Config menu of the K3/0-Mini.
> In that case the K3/0-Mini's USB port could be configured by the user for
> either Remoterig hardware or software RemoteHams.com and it would be easy
> to switch.

But it'd have to be electrically switched inside, and I suspect that
such switching is not implemented (in hardware).

Just "guessing" ;)

73,

~iain / N6ML

> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Oliver Dröse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Palle,
>>
>> this won't work. TX and RX audio are reversed on the mini's USB port as
>> it's intend is to interface to the PC and use that as a relay to the remote
>> (as an alternative to the RRC boxes). It's a real pity it is not jumper
>> configurable inside as this renders the USB port useless for digital remote
>> ops.
>>
>> 73, Olli - DH8BQA
>>
>>
>>
>> > Am 10.05.2017 um 14:44 schrieb Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH <
>> [hidden email]>:
>> >
>> > I have a running K3-Remote setup with Remoterig boxes, K3/0 Mini
>> > and RRMINICBL & RRMTCBL cable sets. Everything but the USB audio to/from
>> > the K3/0 Mini works. I have a USB cable from the K3/0 Mini to my pc at
>> the
>> > control site. A USB audio device is created on my Win 10 pc, but using
>> > this USB audio device from WSJT-X version 1.7.0 the program gets no
>> > audio. The K3 and K3/0 Mini has firmware 5.57.
>> >
>> > According to www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm this should work:
>> *The
>> > K3/0-Mini comes with built-in USB support using the USB audio CODEC &
>> FTDI
>> > technology.*
>> >
>> > On the Remoterig Forum at www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php there are
>> some
>> > posts on this problem, but no solution. I have also in vain searched
>> > www.mail-archive.com/[hidden email]/maillist.html I hope the
>> > Elecraft experts here can help.
>> >
>> > 73, Palle, OZ1RH
>> > www.oz1rh.com
>> >
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Oliver Dröse

Re: No USB audio output from K3/0 Mini

That interpretation was correct, Ian. Sorry for not being clear enough
in the beginning. The mini's internal sound card is hardwired concerning
the in- and outputs so to get it working in a sense that Palle want's
some hardware modification would be needed.

73, Olli

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Am 12.05.2017 um 02:57 schrieb iain macdonnell - N6ML:

> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> If TX and RX audio are reversed on the Mini's USB port the simple solution
>> seems to reverse TX and RX audio once more by software, either by selecting
>> the Input as USB speakers and Output as USB microphone in WSJT or wherever
>> software is used or if that is not possible then to use two virtual audio
>> cables and cross them.
>>
>> Any reason that two virtual audio cables in the pc at the control site
>> can't reverse Input and Output of the USB audio devices of the K3/0-Mini?
> I don't think that's what Olli meant by "reversed". I think he means
> that audio received from the K3/0-Mini via the USB "codec" would be
> audio that was intended to be conveyed (by the PC) to a remote peer
> for transmission (e.g. from a mic connected to the K3/0-Mini), and
> audio sent to the K3/0-Mini via USB "codec" would be output through
> its speaker or headphones, as if it had been received from a remote
> peer.... so you can't send audio to the K3/0-Mini through the USB
> "codec" and expect it to get passed along via the RemoteRig on the
> other side, no matter what fancy virtual plumbing you do in software.
>
> I don't have a K3/0-Mini or RemoteRig setup, but that's the only
> interpretation that makes sense to me.
>
>
>> The best solution would be if the K3/0-Mini's USB port Input and Output
>> audio could be configured (=reversed) by the Config menu of the K3/0-Mini.
>> In that case the K3/0-Mini's USB port could be configured by the user for
>> either Remoterig hardware or software RemoteHams.com and it would be easy
>> to switch.
> But it'd have to be electrically switched inside, and I suspect that
> such switching is not implemented (in hardware).
>
> Just "guessing" ;)
>
> 73,
>
> ~iain / N6ML
>
>
>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Oliver Dröse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Palle,
>>>
>>> this won't work. TX and RX audio are reversed on the mini's USB port as
>>> it's intend is to interface to the PC and use that as a relay to the remote
>>> (as an alternative to the RRC boxes). It's a real pity it is not jumper
>>> configurable inside as this renders the USB port useless for digital remote
>>> ops.
>>>
>>> 73, Olli - DH8BQA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 10.05.2017 um 14:44 schrieb Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH <
>>> [hidden email]>:
>>>> I have a running K3-Remote setup with Remoterig boxes, K3/0 Mini
>>>> and RRMINICBL & RRMTCBL cable sets. Everything but the USB audio to/from
>>>> the K3/0 Mini works. I have a USB cable from the K3/0 Mini to my pc at
>>> the
>>>> control site. A USB audio device is created on my Win 10 pc, but using
>>>> this USB audio device from WSJT-X version 1.7.0 the program gets no
>>>> audio. The K3 and K3/0 Mini has firmware 5.57.
>>>>
>>>> According to www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm this should work:
>>> *The
>>>> K3/0-Mini comes with built-in USB support using the USB audio CODEC &
>>> FTDI
>>>> technology.*
>>>>
>>>> On the Remoterig Forum at www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php there are
>>> some
>>>> posts on this problem, but no solution. I have also in vain searched
>>>> www.mail-archive.com/[hidden email]/maillist.html I hope the
>>>> Elecraft experts here can help.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Palle, OZ1RH
>>>> www.oz1rh.com
>>>>
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