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Dave Sublette-2

Noise cancelling headphones

So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a set
of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're
great.

$300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with Elecraft
folks?

Dave, K4TO
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Grant Youngman-2

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

Bose is pretty well the leader in electronic noise cancellation. But they are also expensive (even more than Sony).

Worth their weight in GOLD on an airplane. (I still use my ancient original model 1.0 Bose when I fly — yes they’re clunky compared to the latest, and I had to replace the ear pads a couple years ago, but they WORK), and I don’t have to spend another $300-350. Radio?? Maybe .. it’s another battery to worry about if you’re portable, especially. You can always spend $1000 for a Bose aviation headset/mic :-)

My main radio headset is an RS60CF .. and that isn’t cheap either, but it doesn’t require a battery …

Grant NQ5T

> On Aug 2, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette <k4to.dave@gmail .com> wrote:
>
> So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a set
> of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're
> great.
>
> $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with Elecraft
> folks?
>
> Dave, K4TO
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Peter W2IRT

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

You can get a pair of factory-refurbished Bose QC-15s for a reasonable price online. Worth their weight in gold, absolutely. I take them on every flight and I can get peace and quiet even with the inevitable squalling brats all around me.

I've also got the RS60CF and wouldn't dream of replacing it, but for travel and using my K3 away from my shack, the QC-15s are the BEST.

- pjd

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Bose is pretty well the leader in electronic noise cancellation. But they are also expensive (even more than Sony).

Worth their weight in GOLD on an airplane. (I still use my ancient original model 1.0 Bose when I fly — yes they’re clunky compared to the latest, and I had to replace the ear pads a couple years ago, but they WORK), and I don’t have to spend another $300-350. Radio?? Maybe .. it’s another battery to worry about if you’re portable, especially. You can always spend $1000 for a Bose aviation headset/mic :-)

My main radio headset is an RS60CF .. and that isn’t cheap either, but it doesn’t require a battery …

Grant NQ5T

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73, Peter W2IRT

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Re: Noise cancelling headphones

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I spent years, lots of effort, and lots of money trying to mitigate
amplifier fan noise. Many kinds of noise cancelling headphones failed,
including one aircraft type. I even tried putting an early NC headset
inside of a pair of earmuff type ear protectors. I built a cabinet to
enclose the amplifiers, but IT's fan was noisier than the amplifiers.
Finally bought a passive Radiosport headset. By far the best, though I
still think putting the KPA1500 in the other room would be better. As
soon as the remote software is available.

73,

Scott K9MA

On 8/2/2018 15:46, Dave Sublette wrote:

> So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a set
> of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're
> great.
>
> $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with Elecraft
> folks?
>
> Dave, K4TO
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Gary Smith-2

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

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I've never tried the RS60CF but I can say
the Bose QC15 are the only headphones I
choose to use in a long contest. I have a
pair of Heil Headsets my father owned and
wearing them for an hour is uncomfortable.
The QC-15? I wear them day and night
without discomfort.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> You can get a pair of factory-refurbished Bose QC-15s for a reasonable
> price online. Worth their weight in gold, absolutely. I take them on
> every flight and I can get peace and quiet even with the inevitable
> squalling brats all around me.
>
> I've also got the RS60CF and wouldn't dream of replacing it, but for
> travel and using my K3 away from my shack, the QC-15s are the BEST.
>
> - pjd
>
>
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> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Grant Youngman
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 5:03 PM To: [hidden email] Cc: Elecraft
> Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones
>
> Bose is pretty well the leader in electronic noise cancellation. But
> they are also expensive (even more than Sony).
>
> Worth their weight in GOLD on an airplane. (I still use my ancient
> original model 1.0 Bose when I fly - yes they´re clunky compared
> to the latest, and I had to replace the ear pads a couple years ago,
> but they WORK), and I don´t have to spend another $300-350. Radio??
> Maybe .. it´s another battery to worry about if you´re portable,
> especially. You can always spend $1000 for a Bose aviation
> headset/mic :-)
>
> My main radio headset is an RS60CF .. and that isn´t cheap either,
> but it doesn´t require a battery ...
>
> Grant NQ5T
>
>
>
> > On Aug 2, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette <k4to.dave@gmail .com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I
> > tried a set of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big
> > mistake. They're great.
> >
> > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with
> > Elecraft folks?
> >
> > Dave, K4TO

Barry

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

I just got off 12 hours of airplanes yesterday and used these:
https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-ANC23-QuietPoint-Noise-Cancelling-Headphones/dp/B004K09H32/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1533297057&sr=8-3&keywords=ath+anc23

I've had them for a year or two and they work well on steady noise like
airplane engine. They don't block voices to any significant degree. And
they're very comfortable. I find them to be a great compromise between
performance and price, compared to Bose.

Barry W2UP

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Bob N3MNT

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

Be sure to check them on your rig before buying them. in many cases
Bluetooth introduces too much delay to use for CW work unless very slow
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Still looking for a KAT100. Prefer an 100-2 in the larger case but a
100-1 is OK also.

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Don Wilhelm

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

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Those of us who wear hearing aids have an advantage. I just turn mine
off when the plane is in the air. It works well for me, like 60dB
reduction in my right ear, so I choose to sit on the right side of the
aisle if I can.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/3/2018 7:54 AM, Barry wrote:
> I just got off 12 hours of airplanes yesterday and used these:
> https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-ANC23-QuietPoint-Noise-Cancelling-Headphones/dp/B004K09H32/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1533297057&sr=8-3&keywords=ath+anc23
>
> I've had them for a year or two and they work well on steady noise like
> airplane engine. They don't block voices to any significant degree. And
> they're very comfortable. I find them to be a great compromise between
> performance and price, compared to Bose.
>
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rich hurd WC3T

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

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Heck, I get latency between the moving mouths and the words they are saying
on YouTube vids that I watch using Bluetooth headsets. For the rig work
I'll put up with the privation of using wires. :)

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> Be sure to check them on your rig before buying them. in many cases
> Bluetooth introduces too much delay to use for CW work unless very slow
> speed.
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Bill Frantz

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

I use a set of Sennheiser noise canceling phones, mainly for
ARES/RACES works when providing communication for parades.
Combined with a noise canceling speaker/mic that has a jack for
the phones they provide enough isolation from the marching bands
to make communication possible. They are also useful for
quieting airplanes, but since I once fell asleep at a Jefferson
Airplane concert, I really don't have a problem putting up with
noisy environments.

73 Bill AE6JV

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AD1AD

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

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Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but you get
what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony because it
seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for business, I use
it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the engine
noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that luxury. LOL

I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen to
music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This is
great. I wire it when I use for radios.

DE Chris AD1AD

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Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets, but
I’m asking a slightly different question...

A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the following.

1) over-the-ear dual headset
2) noise-cancelling headset
3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone
4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth
preferred, wireless is *required*.

I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of different
search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a list with all
the required conditions. Something always gets ignored.

I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the battery
and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That’s modifying a 1K$
headset.

There used to be an “HP8000” that seemed to fit the bill, but only sold in
EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It apparently not made now and
stock gone.

Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that makes a
model that matches A) 1-4) above.

Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer.

73, Guy K2AV

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but you get
> what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony because it
> seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for business, I use
> it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the engine
> noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that luxury. LOL
>
> I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen to
> music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This is
> great. I wire it when I use for radios.
>
> DE Chris AD1AD
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a
> set
> > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're
> > great.
> >
> > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with Elecraft
> > folks?
> >
> > Dave, K4TO
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Mark Goldberg

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

Amazon shows the HP8000 available from third party sellers at wildly
varying prices. Sometimes they are bad or fake unfortunately. They claim
new, but don't have enough info listed to tell if it meets your criteria.

As far as I know, aviation headsets will not have wireless for the main
headset or microphone as it is not reliable enough to be certifiable. They
will have auxiliary bluetooth inputs for entertainment.

I do not know anything that meets your criteria.

Good luck in your search,

Mark
W7MLG

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote:

> This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets, but
> I’m asking a slightly different question...
>
> A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the following.
>
> 1) over-the-ear dual headset
> 2) noise-cancelling headset
> 3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone
> 4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth
> preferred, wireless is *required*.
>
> I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of different
> search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a list with all
> the required conditions. Something always gets ignored.
>
> I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the battery
> and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That’s modifying a 1K$
> headset.
>
> There used to be an “HP8000” that seemed to fit the bill, but only sold in
> EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It apparently not made now and
> stock gone.
>
> Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that makes a
> model that matches A) 1-4) above.
>
> Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but you get
> > what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony because it
> > seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for business, I use
> > it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the engine
> > noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that luxury. LOL
> >
> > I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen to
> > music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This is
> > great. I wire it when I use for radios.
> >
> > DE Chris AD1AD
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a
> > set
> > > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're
> > > great.
> > >
> > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with
> Elecraft
> > > folks?
> > >
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Peter W2IRT

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

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The first three are easy. The fourth....not so much. If you're willing to forego wireless you might still be able to find the UFlyMic add-on for the QC-15 headset. They stopped making them for amateur radio applications a while back, unfortunately.

I've never seen a Bluetooth ANR over-the-ear headset.

- pjd

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To: Chris
Cc: Elecraft Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones

This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets, but
I’m asking a slightly different question...

A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the following.

1) over-the-ear dual headset
2) noise-cancelling headset
3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone
4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth
preferred, wireless is *required*.

I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of different
search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a list with all
the required conditions. Something always gets ignored.

I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the battery
and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That’s modifying a 1K$
headset.

There used to be an “HP8000” that seemed to fit the bill, but only sold in
EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It apparently not made now and
stock gone.

Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that makes a
model that matches A) 1-4) above.

Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer.

73, Guy K2AV

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73, Peter W2IRT

Gary Smith-2

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

I feel impelled to comment here. I use the
Bose QC-15 and since the model is out of
production, they are quite cheap on
fleabay.

1. If they are out of warranty, broken and
say the serial is removed, $100 to Bose
repair (keep your old cable) & your old
set will get you a refurbished pair. I
understand they will upgrade you if the
repair item is no longer available.

2. Headset Buddy by Clear mic provides a
perfect fitting boom mic for the QC-15 &
also for the older Bose model (same fit)
The microphone is excellent in audio
quality albeit the cord is with a smaller
diameter than the original from Bose. I
have several sets of these for the long
haul.

Caveat, maybe... To the bad, with Headset
Buddy version 1 which is all I have used;
the phones are reversed in stereo, L is
heard on the R & vice versa. HOWEVER... I
just went to their old page for it and it
says that version is discontinued for $19.
and there is now a new and improved
version and they say they listened to
customers reviews & suggestions. Perhaps
the L/R issue is now resolved. The new
price is $29. The old ones were worth
every penny, I'm sure these are even
better.

https://www.headsetbuddy.com/clearmic-plus
-2-noise-cancelling-boom-microphone-for-bo
se-qc15/

73,

Gary
KA1J

> The first three are easy. The fourth....not so much. If you're willing
> to forego wireless you might still be able to find the UFlyMic add-on
> for the QC-15 headset. They stopped making them for amateur radio
> applications a while back, unfortunately.
>
> I've never seen a Bluetooth ANR over-the-ear headset.
>
> - pjd
>
>
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> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger
> K2AV Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 12:11 AM To: Chris Cc: Elecraft
> Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones
>
> This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets,
> but
> I´m asking a slightly different question...
>
> A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the
> following.
>
> 1) over-the-ear dual headset
> 2) noise-cancelling headset
> 3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone
> 4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth
> preferred, wireless is *required*.
>
> I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of
> different search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a
> list with all the required conditions. Something always gets ignored.
>
> I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the
> battery and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That´s
> modifying a 1K$ headset.
>
> There used to be an "HP8000" that seemed to fit the bill, but only
> sold in EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It apparently not
> made now and stock gone.
>
> Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that
> makes a model that matches A) 1-4) above.
>
> Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but
> > you get what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose
> > Sony because it seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly
> > alone for business, I use it with low volume music from my iphone,
> > and I barely hear the engine noise. When I fly with my family, I
> > don't get that luxury. LOL
> >
> > I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen
> > to music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This
> > is great. I wire it when I use for radios.
> >
> > DE Chris AD1AD
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette <[hidden email]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I
> > > tried a
> > set
> > > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake.
> > > They're great.
> > >
> > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with
> > > Elecraft
> > > folks?
> > >
> > > Dave, K4TO

Guy Olinger K2AV

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

In reply to this post by Mark Goldberg

Thanks Mark,

According to a tech at a one of the aviation stores, the latest versions of
the A20 will allow using the headset/mike to access a paired device such as
a smartphone, both to and from. Use it by muting the phone mike and
talking/listening via the A20.

Talking on a phone in a small plane has the same audio issues as radio
communications with flight service without noise cancellation, etc. The A20
handles that kind of problem very well.

The battery and Bluetooth are in an accessible blob on the A20 cord. But
the idea of 1K$ to start with, and then dropping that 1K$ out of warranty
to remove the cord beyond the blob gives me the hives.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 12:25 AM Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Amazon shows the HP8000 available from third party sellers at wildly
> varying prices. Sometimes they are bad or fake unfortunately. They claim
> new, but don't have enough info listed to tell if it meets your criteria.
>
> As far as I know, aviation headsets will not have wireless for the main
> headset or microphone as it is not reliable enough to be certifiable. They
> will have auxiliary bluetooth inputs for entertainment.
>
> I do not know anything that meets your criteria.
>
> Good luck in your search,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets, but
>> I’m asking a slightly different question...
>>
>> A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the following.
>>
>> 1) over-the-ear dual headset
>> 2) noise-cancelling headset
>> 3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone
>> 4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth
>> preferred, wireless is *required*.
>>
>> I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of different
>> search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a list with all
>> the required conditions. Something always gets ignored.
>>
>> I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the battery
>> and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That’s modifying a 1K$
>> headset.
>>
>> There used to be an “HP8000” that seemed to fit the bill, but only sold in
>> EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It apparently not made now and
>> stock gone.
>>
>> Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that makes a
>> model that matches A) 1-4) above.
>>
>> Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer.
>>
>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> > Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but you
>> get
>> > what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony because it
>> > seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for business, I
>> use
>> > it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the engine
>> > noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that luxury. LOL
>> >
>> > I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen to
>> > music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This is
>> > great. I wire it when I use for radios.
>> >
>> > DE Chris AD1AD
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried
>> a
>> > set
>> > > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're
>> > > great.
>> > >
>> > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with
>> Elecraft
>> > > folks?
>> > >
>> > > Dave, K4TO
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Re: Noise cancelling headphones

I used to design aircraft audio systems for a living, but have been retired
a year. The A20 is a nice headset and the audio quality from the mic and
headphones is very good, over the wired connection, for safety services
(communication with air traffic control).

Listening to stereo entertainment via Bluetooth probably uses the AD2P
protocol which is stereo and can be pretty decent qualtiy. I don't know for
sure for this headset, but when any Bluetooth device I know of does phone
calls and uses the Mic, it switches to the HSP or HFP protocol, which is
mono and in my opinion, sounds like crap for both TX and RX. It is lower
bandwidth and more compressed. HFP version 1.6 added better audio encoding,
but I do not know if it is widely used. It would be a shame to take a $1k
headset and make it sound like a $5 headset.

I would think there might be some sort of headset to wireless TX/RX adapter
that might be available. Jupiter Avionics makes something that claims to do
that. I bet it is expensive and I do not see any mention of a TSO
certification on the data sheet. I guess if you are not using it for
aviation, you may not care. Lots of small aircraft use uncertified stuff
anyway.

Again, good luck in your search.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 5:17 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Thanks Mark,
>
> According to a tech at a one of the aviation stores, the latest versions
> of the A20 will allow using the headset/mike to access a paired device such
> as a smartphone, both to and from. Use it by muting the phone mike and
> talking/listening via the A20.
>
> Talking on a phone in a small plane has the same audio issues as radio
> communications with flight service without noise cancellation, etc. The A20
> handles that kind of problem very well.
>
> The battery and Bluetooth are in an accessible blob on the A20 cord. But
> the idea of 1K$ to start with, and then dropping that 1K$ out of warranty
> to remove the cord beyond the blob gives me the hives.
>
> 73, Guy K2AV
>
> On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 12:25 AM Mark Goldberg <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Amazon shows the HP8000 available from third party sellers at wildly
>> varying prices. Sometimes they are bad or fake unfortunately. They claim
>> new, but don't have enough info listed to tell if it meets your criteria.
>>
>> As far as I know, aviation headsets will not have wireless for the main
>> headset or microphone as it is not reliable enough to be certifiable. They
>> will have auxiliary bluetooth inputs for entertainment.
>>
>> I do not know anything that meets your criteria.
>>
>> Good luck in your search,
>>
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets, but
>>> I’m asking a slightly different question...
>>>
>>> A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the following.
>>>
>>> 1) over-the-ear dual headset
>>> 2) noise-cancelling headset
>>> 3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone
>>> 4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth
>>> preferred, wireless is *required*.
>>>
>>> I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of different
>>> search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a list with
>>> all
>>> the required conditions. Something always gets ignored.
>>>
>>> I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the battery
>>> and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That’s modifying a 1K$
>>> headset.
>>>
>>> There used to be an “HP8000” that seemed to fit the bill, but only sold
>>> in
>>> EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It apparently not made now and
>>> stock gone.
>>>
>>> Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that makes a
>>> model that matches A) 1-4) above.
>>>
>>> Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer.
>>>
>>> 73, Guy K2AV
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but you
>>> get
>>> > what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony because
>>> it
>>> > seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for business, I
>>> use
>>> > it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the engine
>>> > noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that luxury. LOL
>>> >
>>> > I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen to
>>> > music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This is
>>> > great. I wire it when I use for radios.
>>> >
>>> > DE Chris AD1AD
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I
>>> tried a
>>> > set
>>> > > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake.
>>> They're
>>> > > great.
>>> > >
>>> > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with
>>> Elecraft
>>> > > folks?
>>> > >
>>> > > Dave, K4TO
>>> > > ______________________________________________________________
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Gary Smith-2

Re: Noise cancelling headphones

Another of my 2 cents on this topic...

While not for transmitting, there is a
worthy consideration for wireless Rx
headphones, the Gray Ghost headsets I use
for metal detecting. There is a 1/4" plug
which goes to the radio & is the
transmitter. The headphones pick up this
Tx and reproduce the sound.

Both the headphones and transmitter do
require being charged, this may be a deal
breaker for some. My Minelab CTX3030
detector offers some 50 tones in the
discovery process and they sound beautiful
with this headset.

They are mono with very low latency, when
swinging the detector, even a little delay
is unacceptable and would give incorrect
info, so I expect the response would be
the same for our needs.

I got my set from here:

http://www.colonialmetaldetectors.com/gray
-ghost-wireless-fbs.html

Just google for Gray Ghost headphones.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> I used to design aircraft audio systems for a living, but have been
> retired a year. The A20 is a nice headset and the audio quality from
> the mic and headphones is very good, over the wired connection, for
> safety services (communication with air traffic control).
>
> Listening to stereo entertainment via Bluetooth probably uses the AD2P
> protocol which is stereo and can be pretty decent qualtiy. I don't
> know for sure for this headset, but when any Bluetooth device I know
> of does phone calls and uses the Mic, it switches to the HSP or HFP
> protocol, which is mono and in my opinion, sounds like crap for both
> TX and RX. It is lower bandwidth and more compressed. HFP version 1.6
> added better audio encoding, but I do not know if it is widely used.
> It would be a shame to take a $1k headset and make it sound like a $5
> headset.
>
> I would think there might be some sort of headset to wireless TX/RX
> adapter that might be available. Jupiter Avionics makes something that
> claims to do that. I bet it is expensive and I do not see any mention
> of a TSO certification on the data sheet. I guess if you are not using
> it for aviation, you may not care. Lots of small aircraft use
> uncertified stuff anyway.
>
> Again, good luck in your search.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 5:17 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Mark,
> >
> > According to a tech at a one of the aviation stores, the latest
> > versions of the A20 will allow using the headset/mike to access a
> > paired device such as a smartphone, both to and from. Use it by
> > muting the phone mike and talking/listening via the A20.
> >
> > Talking on a phone in a small plane has the same audio issues as
> > radio communications with flight service without noise cancellation,
> > etc. The A20 handles that kind of problem very well.
> >
> > The battery and Bluetooth are in an accessible blob on the A20 cord.
> > But the idea of 1K$ to start with, and then dropping that 1K$ out of
> > warranty to remove the cord beyond the blob gives me the hives.
> >
> > 73, Guy K2AV
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 12:25 AM Mark Goldberg
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Amazon shows the HP8000 available from third party sellers at
> >> wildly varying prices. Sometimes they are bad or fake
> >> unfortunately. They claim new, but don't have enough info listed to
> >> tell if it meets your criteria.
> >>
> >> As far as I know, aviation headsets will not have wireless for the
> >> main headset or microphone as it is not reliable enough to be
> >> certifiable. They will have auxiliary bluetooth inputs for
> >> entertainment.
> >>
> >> I do not know anything that meets your criteria.
> >>
> >> Good luck in your search,
> >>
> >> Mark
> >> W7MLG
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV
> >> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with
> >>> headsets, but
> >>> I´m asking a slightly different question...
> >>>
> >>> A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the
> >>> following.
> >>>
> >>> 1) over-the-ear dual headset
> >>> 2) noise-cancelling headset
> >>> 3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone
> >>> 4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth
> >>> preferred, wireless is *required*.
> >>>
> >>> I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of
> >>> different search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to
> >>> make a list with all the required conditions. Something always
> >>> gets ignored.
> >>>
> >>> I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the
> >>> battery and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That´s
> >>> modifying a 1K$ headset.
> >>>
> >>> There used to be an "HP8000" that seemed to fit the bill, but
> >>> only sold in EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It
> >>> apparently not made now and stock gone.
> >>>
> >>> Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that
> >>> makes a model that matches A) 1-4) above.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer.
> >>>
> >>> 73, Guy K2AV
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey
> >>> > but you
> >>> get
> >>> > what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony
> >>> > because
> >>> it
> >>> > seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for
> >>> > business, I
> >>> use
> >>> > it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the
> >>> > engine noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that
> >>> > luxury. LOL
> >>> >
> >>> > I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can
> >>> > listen to music or podcast with very low engine noise from the
> >>> > mower. This is great. I wire it when I use for radios.
> >>> >
> >>> > DE Chris AD1AD
> >>> >
> >>> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette
> >>> > <[hidden email]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards.
> >>> > > I
> >>> tried a
> >>> > set
> >>> > > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake.
> >>> They're
> >>> > > great.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use
> >>> > > with
> >>> Elecraft
> >>> > > folks?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Dave, K4TO

ANDY DURBIN

Noise cancelling headphones

In reply to this post by Dave Sublette-2

Can anyone point me to a specification for any aviation headset that claims the microphone has active noise cancellation? Can anyone point me to a specification for any non-aviation headset that claims the microphone has active noise cancellation?
Many/most aviation headsets use noise cancelling microphones but they are not active. They simply sample most of the voice signal on the mouth side of the element and most of the noise on both sides of the element. Effective noise cancellation requires the microphone to be close to the lips. I fly with DC H10-13S converted to active noise cancellation. The same active noise cancelling conversion can be done on many headsets that copy the DC design for the ear "cups".
http://www.headsetsinc.com/
73,
Andy k3wyc

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