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Clay Autery-2

Re: Not moving your wrist sending CW ?

I am an old Infantryman and Aviator. And I have been out a long time,
but I STILL use many of the "pro-words"...

Especially, I spell, phonetic alphabet, at al....
I use "say again <optional>" in conversation without thinking.... Hey,
it works.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
(318) 518-1389

On 03/30/20 01:13, Steve Witt wrote:

>
> Also true in U.S. Army radiotelephone procedure, at least how we
> operated in the Signal Corps in the '70s and '80s when I was in. Never
> heard or was taught 'words twice'. One would realize (with experience)
> when key parts of the transmission should be said twice due to noise
> or other difficulty with the channel, usually because of being asked
> to 'say again' a few times.
>
> Asking for a retransmission:
> 'say again your last transmission'
> 'say again all after'
> 'say again all before'
>
> The response would be:
> 'I say again ...'
>
> There is also 'I spell', when the word(s) weren't being received
> correctly.
>
> This was published in 'Allied Communications Pub 125: Communications
> Instructions -- Radiotelephone Procedures' (ACP 125), so these
> procedures should be somewhat standardized across NATO forces.
>
>
> 73,
> Steve K6ZX

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Re: Not moving your wrist sending CW ?

In reply to this post by Steve Witt

Yup. Exactly the same in the maritime world. All ships should be using the same prowords all around the world - it makes it easier to deal with maydays and cross-language communication, non-native speakers learn the prowords with translation to their own language. It goes alongside standard message formats to know what to expect next when you’re writing things down. For example the word “position” is followed by a lat and long.

As I was told by our examiner for my civilian maritime licence: “repeating is what happens after you eat too many pickled onions, on the radio we say again”

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Andy, G8TQH

> On 30 Mar 2020, at 07:14, Steve Witt <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 03/29, Andy Durbin wrote:
>> "the prosign for "Please repeat,"or "I will repeat."
>>
>> I was taught over 55 years ago that "repeat" was an artillery fire
>> control instruction that had no place in any communication except
>> for artillery fire control. Surprising to me that IMI would be
>> defined that way.
>>
>> In UK Signals, the phone phrases were "say again", "I say again",
>> and "say again words twice".
>
> Also true in U.S. Army radiotelephone procedure, at least how we
> operated in the Signal Corps in the '70s and '80s when I was in. Never
> heard or was taught 'words twice'. One would realize (with experience)
> when key parts of the transmission should be said twice due to noise
> or other difficulty with the channel, usually because of being asked
> to 'say again' a few times.
>
> Asking for a retransmission:
> 'say again your last transmission'
> 'say again all after'
> 'say again all before'
>
> The response would be:
> 'I say again ...'
>
> There is also 'I spell', when the word(s) weren't being received
> correctly.
>
> This was published in 'Allied Communications Pub 125: Communications
> Instructions -- Radiotelephone Procedures' (ACP 125), so these
> procedures should be somewhat standardized across NATO forces.
>
>
> 73,
> Steve K6ZX
>
>
>
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David Christ

Re: Not moving your wrist sending CW ?

In reply to this post by Clay Autery-2

I am older and getting a little hard of hearing. The again and say again are so ingrained that I even use it with my wife.

David K0LUM

> On Mar 30, 2020, at 3:11 AM, Clay Autery <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I am an old Infantryman and Aviator. And I have been out a long time, but I STILL use many of the "pro-words"...
>
> Especially, I spell, phonetic alphabet, at al....
> I use "say again <optional>" in conversation without thinking.... Hey, it works.
>
> 73,
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> (318) 518-1389
>