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Ken G Kopp

OT: CW Skimmer

Of course there's the option of learning to copy CW ...... (; -)

73

Ken - K0PP
On Feb 6, 2015 8:57 AM, "Tom Blahovici" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b.
> Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such
> as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose
> that functionality.
> Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3
> subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw
> skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well.
> Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
> On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it
> > decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you
> > can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that
> > frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the
> > Softrock-IF mode.
> >
> > One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not
> > possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,.
> > because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's
> > frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX,
> > happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning
> > up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works
> > amazingly well.
> >
> > --
> >
> > 73, Pete N4ZR
> > Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
> > http://reversebeacon.net,
> > blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
> > For spots, please go to your favorite
> > ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
> >
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mike

Re: OT: CW Skimmer

It is less about copying code and more about spotting, Ken. ;>)

Vic Rosenthal

Re: OT: CW Skimmer

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It's not about copying CW. It's about spotting the guy a dx station is working in a 30 kHz wide pileup when a hundred other guys are calling out of turn. A human can only copy a few calls within a few kHz at the same time, while the skimmer can get all of them.

Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO

> On Feb 6, 2015, at 7:29 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Of course there's the option of learning to copy CW ...... (; -)
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>> On Feb 6, 2015 8:57 AM, "Tom Blahovici" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b.
>> Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such
>> as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose
>> that functionality.
>> Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3
>> subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw
>> skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well.
>> Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it
>>> decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you
>>> can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that
>>> frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the
>>> Softrock-IF mode.
>>>
>>> One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not
>>> possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,.
>>> because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's
>>> frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX,
>>> happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning
>>> up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works
>>> amazingly well.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>>> http://reversebeacon.net,
>>> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
>>> For spots, please go to your favorite
>>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
>>>
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Joe Subich, W4TV-4

Re: OT: CW Skimmer

While CW Skimmer may be about spotting the guy calling ...
CW Get and/or the CW text decode capability in the K3 are
*certainly not* about spotting the calling station in the
pile-up. Their only purpose is as a crutch for those who
are either unable due to hearing loss or too lazy to learn
to copy the code.

73,

... Joe, W4TV

On 2015-02-06 2:01 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:

> It's not about copying CW. It's about spotting the guy a dx station is working in a 30 kHz wide pileup when a hundred other guys are calling out of turn. A human can only copy a few calls within a few kHz at the same time, while the skimmer can get all of them.
>
> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO
>
>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 7:29 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Of course there's the option of learning to copy CW ...... (; -)
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
>>> On Feb 6, 2015 8:57 AM, "Tom Blahovici" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b.
>>> Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such
>>> as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose
>>> that functionality.
>>> Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3
>>> subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw
>>> skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well.
>>> Tom
>>> va2fsq.com
>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it
>>>> decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you
>>>> can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that
>>>> frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the
>>>> Softrock-IF mode.
>>>>
>>>> One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not
>>>> possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,.
>>>> because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's
>>>> frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX,
>>>> happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning
>>>> up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works
>>>> amazingly well.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>>>> http://reversebeacon.net,
>>>> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
>>>> For spots, please go to your favorite
>>>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
>>>>
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Phil Hystad-3

Re: OT: CW Skimmer

I will add my two-bit opinion. CW text decode as a crutch when copying
by ear also is a big negative. Whenever I am using CW Decode, my own
copying by ear performance drops a bit because too much leaning and dependence
on the CW decode display for my translation.

I say -- if you are learning CW or wanting to improve your speed -- turn off that CW decode.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On Feb 6, 2015, at 11:23 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> While CW Skimmer may be about spotting the guy calling ...
> CW Get and/or the CW text decode capability in the K3 are
> *certainly not* about spotting the calling station in the
> pile-up. Their only purpose is as a crutch for those who
> are either unable due to hearing loss or too lazy to learn
> to copy the code.
>
> 73,
>
> ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
> On 2015-02-06 2:01 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
>> It's not about copying CW. It's about spotting the guy a dx station is working in a 30 kHz wide pileup when a hundred other guys are calling out of turn. A human can only copy a few calls within a few kHz at the same time, while the skimmer can get all of them.
>>
>> Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO
>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 7:29 PM, Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course there's the option of learning to copy CW ...... (; -)
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Ken - K0PP
>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 8:57 AM, "Tom Blahovici" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes CW skimmer works great. One caveat though with listening on vfo b.
>>>> Many people use the built in decoding of cw on the k3 or use software such
>>>> as cwget to assist them. This only works on the main receiver so you lose
>>>> that functionality.
>>>> Two things would be great here. One, having decoding built into the k3
>>>> subreceiver. That would fix this when you use it like you do. Second, cw
>>>> skimmer should have an option to qsy on vfo b as well.
>>>> Tom
>>>> va2fsq.com
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 10:06 AM, Pete Smith N4ZR <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> CW Skimmer is a great tool for cracking the K1N pileups because it
>>>>> decodes the calls of folks calling as well as who just sent 599, and you
>>>>> can click on the relevant decoder dot to move instantly to that
>>>>> frequency. I'm using it with an LP-Pan in what Skimmer calls the
>>>>> Softrock-IF mode.
>>>>>
>>>>> One rub, though, is that the pileups are so wide that it often is not
>>>>> possible to go split, listen on VFO A, and transmit on the second VFO,.
>>>>> because Skimmer tracks VFOA and the action is too far above K1N's
>>>>> frequency to display on my monitor. My K3 has the separate subRX,
>>>>> happily, so I can invert things - listen to K1N on VFO B, while tuning
>>>>> up the band on VFO A looking for the last successful caller. Works
>>>>> amazingly well.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> 73, Pete N4ZR
>>>>> Check out the Reverse Beacon Network at
>>>>> http://reversebeacon.net,
>>>>> blog at reversebeacon.blogspot.com.
>>>>> For spots, please go to your favorite
>>>>> ARC V6 or VE7CC DX cluster node.
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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