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kevinr@coho.net

[OT?] Changing which hand you send with

Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has
very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right
one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant
hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had
nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally better since
then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A friend of mine
was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to
Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any thoughts you
may have for my dilemma?
73,
Kevin. KD5ONS
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NK7Z

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

I have tried once, but it was difficult... However if you invert the
paddle it gets a lot better!

One other trick, send the same thing with both hands, it makes it easer
to send lefty for me.

73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote:

> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has
> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right
> one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant
> hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had
> nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally better since
> then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A friend of mine
> was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to
> Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any thoughts you
> may have for my dilemma?
> 73,
> Kevin. KD5ONS
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ke9uw

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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I learned to send iambic with my right hand (I am right handed) and by simply reversing the function of the left and right paddles, I am able to switch to the left hand.

Chuck Jack
KE9UW

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> On Mar 18, 2018, at 7:51 PM, kevinr <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any thoughts you may have for my dilemma?
> 73,
> Kevin. KD5ONS
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EricJ

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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I tried it 30 years ago so I could hold a pencil with my dominant (left)
hand and not have to put it down when keying with my right. It took a
couple evenings to get back up to speed. Keep it symmetrical. If your
sending dots with your right thumb, swap the paddle lead so you're
sending dots with your left hand. Your brain can deal with it a lot
easier. I can switch from right handed to left handed bug with equal ease.

The same isn't true with a straight key, though. I have never been able
to send right handed with a straight key but have no problem with 20 wpm
with my left. Different skill.

It's very easy to give it a try. I think you'll be surprised.

Eric KE6US

On 3/18/2018 5:50 PM, kevinr wrote:

> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has
> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right
> one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant
> hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had
> nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally better since
> then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A friend of mine
> was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to
> Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any thoughts
> you may have for my dilemma?
> 73,
> Kevin. KD5ONS
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Don Wilhelm

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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Kevin,

Set the paddle menu to PDL Rev, and practice, practice, practice.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 3/18/2018 8:50 PM, kevinr wrote:
> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has
> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right
> one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant
> hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had
> nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally better since
> then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A friend of mine
> was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to
> Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any thoughts you
> may have for my dilemma?
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kevinr@coho.net

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

Yes SIR, I really want to get to Carnegie Hall :)

VY 73 all ya-all

Kevin. KD5ONS

On 03/18/2018 06:45 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Kevin,
>
> Set the paddle menu to PDL Rev, and practice, practice, practice.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 3/18/2018 8:50 PM, kevinr wrote:
>> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has
>> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my
>> right one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my
>> non-dominant hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago
>> when I had nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally
>> better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A
>> friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and
>> went on to Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any
>> thoughts you may have for my dilemma?
>

k6dgw

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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A survey taken here on the list a number of years ago found that:

~25% of hams considered themselves left-handed
~all of them considered themselves to be engineers or retired engineers
~50% of them learned to send right to 1) keep the log, and 2) be able to
guest op
~0% of northpaws learned to paddle left

I'm a southpaw, I learned to paddle right early, for the above two
reasons. We live in a right-handed world ["Tyranny of the Majority"],
so it's probably easier for us to learn to do things right than it is
for you to do things left, we do it all the time. Try a manual can
opener left-handed. [:-)

You can learn however, I know several who have switched to left. Some
paddle left with the paddle set to left [dots on thumb] and some do it
the other way. I have two paddles, often switch off as I get older ...
and older.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/18/2018 5:56 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:

> I have tried once, but it was difficult... However if you invert the
> paddle it gets a lot better!
>
> One other trick, send the same thing with both hands, it makes it
> easer to send lefty for me.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> https://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote:
>> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has
>> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my
>> right one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my
>> non-dominant hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago
>> when I had nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally
>> better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A
>> friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and
>> went on to Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any
>> thoughts you may have for my dilemma?
>> 73,
>> Kevin. KD5ONS

kevinr@coho.net

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

Hey Fred,
     I know of one guitarist who was pretty good playing backward
guitar. He was from Seattle and known as Jimi. Regular guitar tuning
but backward because of the the northpaw conspiracy. While I could just
barely throw a 90 mph fast ball (four seamer) right handed I could never
have thrown one left-handed. However, it has been mentioned I may be
able to throw 20 wpm CW backwards. Hopefully I'll learn your
ambidextrous ways and keep ECN going for a few more years. Yes,
baseball was my downfall. Catching and pitching both took their toll;
but I had mountains of fun breaking those bones :) And I NEVER had a
passed ball in my career.
    Thanks & 73,
        Kevin.

On 03/18/2018 06:52 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> A survey taken here on the list a number of years ago found that:
>
> ~25% of hams considered themselves left-handed
> ~all of them considered themselves to be engineers or retired engineers
> ~50% of them learned to send right to 1) keep the log, and 2) be able
> to guest op
> ~0% of northpaws learned to paddle left
>
> I'm a southpaw, I learned to paddle right early, for the above two
> reasons. We live in a right-handed world ["Tyranny of the Majority"],
> so it's probably easier for us to learn to do things right than it is
> for you to do things left, we do it all the time. Try a manual can
> opener left-handed. [:-)
>
> You can learn however, I know several who have switched to left. Some
> paddle left with the paddle set to left [dots on thumb] and some do it
> the other way. I have two paddles, often switch off as I get older
> ... and older.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 3/18/2018 5:56 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote:
>> I have tried once, but it was difficult... However if you invert the
>> paddle it gets a lot better!
>>
>> One other trick, send the same thing with both hands, it makes it
>> easer to send lefty for me.
>>
>> 73s and thanks,
>> Dave
>> NK7Z
>> https://www.nk7z.net
>>
>> On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote:
>>> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has
>>> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my
>>> right one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my
>>> non-dominant hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years
>>> ago when I had nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten
>>> marginally better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my
>>> sending. A friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left
>>> handed and went on to Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her
>>> skills. Any thoughts you may have for my dilemma?
>>> 73,
>>> Kevin. KD5ONS
>
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Will Ravenel

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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I’m right handed but decided I’d use a paddle left handed fore ease of taking notes. In my case I left the paddle sense alone (dahs on right paddle) to facilitate sharing without reversing. Didn’t see how this would be harder and it hasn’t been.

Will, AI4VE
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Alan Bloom

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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My first speed key was a left-handed bug, even though I am right-handed.
(My college room mate WB2SEZ was a lefty and I used his bug.) To this
day I can send with either a bug or an electronic keyer with either
hand. I think it would be challenging, but certainly do-able, to learn
to send with the opposing hand later in life.

If you do that, be sure to swap the dot and dash leads on the key
paddle. The dits should always be sent with the thumb and the dashes
with the finger no matter which hand you're using.

An alternative that I sometimes use as a temporary solution is to grab
the key paddle from the other side, with the hand over they keying
mechanism.

Alan N1AL

On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote:

kevinr@coho.net

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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Very cool, I had never heard this way of doing things. I'll try it.

Kevin. KD5ONS

On 03/18/2018 07:08 PM, William Ravenel wrote:

> I’m right handed but decided I’d use a paddle left handed fore ease of taking notes. In my case I left the paddle sense alone (dahs on right paddle) to facilitate sharing without reversing. Didn’t see how this would be harder and it hasn’t been.
>
> Will, AI4VE
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kevinr@coho.net

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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I've tried upside down before but I'll need practice sending normally
with the "wrong" hand.

Thank you,

Kevin.

On 03/18/2018 07:10 PM, Alan wrote:

> My first speed key was a left-handed bug, even though I am
> right-handed. (My college room mate WB2SEZ was a lefty and I used his
> bug.) To this day I can send with either a bug or an electronic keyer
> with either hand. I think it would be challenging, but certainly
> do-able, to learn to send with the opposing hand later in life.
>
> If you do that, be sure to swap the dot and dash leads on the key
> paddle. The dits should always be sent with the thumb and the dashes
> with the finger no matter which hand you're using.
>
> An alternative that I sometimes use as a temporary solution is to grab
> the key paddle from the other side, with the hand over they keying
> mechanism.
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote:
>> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has
>> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my
>> right one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my
>> non-dominant hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago
>> when I had nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally
>> better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A
>> friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and
>> went on to Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any
>> thoughts you may have for my dilemma?
>> 73,
>> Kevin. KD5ONS
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Rick Commo-2

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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Like Eric, I am a lefty. I forced myself to learn to use a paddle with my right hand so I wouldn’t have to put the pencil down. One different thing I did was to send DAHs with my thumb (ie. the “slow” finger”) and DITs with my fore (ie. “last”) finger. What I have found is that my dominant hand seems to track my right hand at about the 85% level if I reverse the paddles from what I normally have.

When I try a “normal” paddle at hamfests I just turn my back to the keyed and send “backwards”. Usually good for a comment or two! ;-)

Also like Eric, I cannot send straight key with my right hand.

-rick, K7LOG

On Mar 18, 2018, at 18:32, EricJ <[hidden email]> wrote:

I tried it 30 years ago so I could hold a pencil with my dominant (left) hand and not have to put it down when keying with my right. It took a couple evenings to get back up to speed. Keep it symmetrical. If your sending dots with your right thumb, swap the paddle lead so you're sending dots with your left hand. Your brain can deal with it a lot easier. I can switch from right handed to left handed bug with equal ease.

The same isn't true with a straight key, though. I have never been able to send right handed with a straight key but have no problem with 20 wpm with my left. Different skill.

It's very easy to give it a try. I think you'll be surprised.

Eric KE6US

On 3/18/2018 5:50 PM, kevinr wrote:

> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any thoughts you may have for my dilemma?
> 73,
> Kevin. KD5ONS
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marvwheeler

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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Kevin:

If you lost the use of your dominant hand due to a stroke or industrial accident what would you do? I would guess you would continue life pretty much as it is today except there would be a slowing of productivity until you got back up to speed with the non-dominant hand. Switching hands occurs a lot more frequently than we hear about and generally it is later in life when it is far more difficult.

Marv
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> On 3/18/2018 8:50 PM, kevinr wrote:
>> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has
>> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my
>> right one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my
>> non-dominant hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago
>> when I had nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally
>> better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A
>> friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and
>> went on to Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any
>> thoughts you may have for my dilemma?
>

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Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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Yes, it is a lot easier if you invert the paddle to switch hands (making the two hands do a mirror of each other). Sending with your non-writing hand gives you the ambidextrous advantage

FB de KX2CW
~joan

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> On Mar 18, 2018, at 17:56, Dave Cole (NK7Z) <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I have tried once, but it was difficult... However if you invert the paddle it gets a lot better!
>
> One other trick, send the same thing with both hands, it makes it easer to send lefty for me.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> https://www.nk7z.net
>
>> On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote:
>> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any thoughts you may have for my dilemma?
>> 73,
>> Kevin. KD5ONS
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Bill K9YEQ

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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Hmmm, I will the other hand a try. As a 72 year old, might be good to add some dexterity for later in life.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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My first speed key was a left-handed bug, even though I am right-handed.
(My college room mate WB2SEZ was a lefty and I used his bug.) To this day I can send with either a bug or an electronic keyer with either hand. I think it would be challenging, but certainly do-able, to learn to send with the opposing hand later in life.

If you do that, be sure to swap the dot and dash leads on the key paddle. The dits should always be sent with the thumb and the dashes with the finger no matter which hand you're using.

An alternative that I sometimes use as a temporary solution is to grab the key paddle from the other side, with the hand over they keying mechanism.

Alan N1AL

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k6dgw

Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with

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It's not a binary thing. While nearly everyone identifies one side as
dominant, and that's usually the right side, it's more like a
continuum. When our kids were in Little League [and Dad got roped into
coaching], it was fairly common for a right-handed kid to be unable to
hit the ball. Getting him to bat left often resulted in a lot of foul
balls and an increasing number of hits.

I think you'll find it goes well with some practice. Not long ago,
Andrea saw something on TV about why shoe laces come untied ... most
people [who would mostly be right-handers] tie them in "granny" knots
which any Boy Scout knows don't hold well. Mine are in square knots and
she wondered if it was because I'm left-handed. Could be. It could
also be because that's the way my Grandma taught me to tie my shoes a
lifetime ago. [:-)

I use a Winkey3USB to key my K3, paddle on right. Second paddle on left
goes into the K3 paddle jack. If you did something like that, you could
always revert to right-handed paddling if you got confused on the left
during ECN.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 3/18/2018 7:06 PM, kevinr wrote:

> Hey Fred,
>     I know of one guitarist who was pretty good playing backward
> guitar. He was from Seattle and known as Jimi. Regular guitar tuning
> but backward because of the the northpaw conspiracy. While I could
> just barely throw a 90 mph fast ball (four seamer) right handed I
> could never have thrown one left-handed. However, it has been
> mentioned I may be able to throw 20 wpm CW backwards. Hopefully I'll
> learn your ambidextrous ways and keep ECN going for a few more years.
> Yes, baseball was my downfall. Catching and pitching both took their
> toll; but I had mountains of fun breaking those bones :) And I NEVER
> had a passed ball in my career.
>    Thanks & 73,
>        Kevin.