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Ken G Kopp

OT: Contesting / DXing practices

Jim is speaks the truth.....

While the premise of beginning a transmission with "DE" ... or the called
station's call ... may be "correct", in practice it assures one first place
in the "lid" line.

5NN is the only "cut" number that's acceptable to me, too.

In the contesting arena time is all-important! Seconds saved count. FD,
especially, brings out every lid-ism. It's actually easy to have one ...
or more ... contest QSO's while waiting for a "please copy my number". Add
another QSO in the log for "good luck in the contest" babble.

73

Ken Kopp - K0PP
On Dec 1, 2014 11:30 AM, "Jim Brown" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface
>> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with
>> another station.
>>
>
> NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is
> running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing
> that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone
> sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call
> -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW
> elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters
> equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters use "TU" or "R"
> and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign.
>
> Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied
> correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded
> to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it
> wrong.
>
> Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: OT: Contesting / DXing practices

I would also like to add pay attention to the bandplan
Many are NOT contesting and it spoils there enjoyment when contesters encroach on them while they are operating.
Examples: CW or RTTy being run on top of the JT65 Guys or SSB Voice on top of the SSTV guys.

From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:01 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices

Jim is speaks the truth.....

While the premise of beginning a transmission with "DE" ... or the called
station's call ... may be "correct", in practice it assures one first place
in the "lid" line.

5NN is the only "cut" number that's acceptable to me, too.

In the contesting arena time is all-important! Seconds saved count. FD,
especially, brings out every lid-ism. It's actually easy to have one ...
or more ... contest QSO's while waiting for a "please copy my number". Add
another QSO in the log for "good luck in the contest" babble.

73

Ken Kopp - K0PP
On Dec 1, 2014 11:30 AM, "Jim Brown" <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Re: OT: Contesting / DXing practices

In reply to this post by Ken G Kopp

I would say to use the Bandplan of the country that you are licensed in
it is a simple matter of courtesy to be considerate of those who do not care to contest

From: brian <[hidden email]>
To: Harry Yingst <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices

Harry,

Which bandplan? There are many. EU bandplans are different from Asian
band plans for example. There are also many groups/modes/nets etc who
plop themselves down anywhere and declare that frequency theirs. Then
they bemoan interference?

If you really look at the band plans, it would take a superhuman to
avoid all the little niches.

Also what you see is a reflection of too little space available. RTTY
contests are a good example. Do you really think it can be constrained
to be within 14080 and 14090?

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 12/1/2014 21:15 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:

> I would also like to add pay attention to the bandplan
> Many are NOT contesting and it spoils there enjoyment when contesters encroach on them while they are operating.
> Examples: CW or RTTy being run on top of the JT65 Guys or SSB Voice on top of the SSTV guys.
>
>
>
>
> From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:01 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices
>
> Jim is speaks the truth.....
>
> While the premise of beginning a transmission with "DE" ... or the called
> station's call ... may be "correct", in practice it assures one first place
> in the "lid" line.
>
> 5NN is the only "cut" number that's acceptable to me, too.
>
> In the contesting arena time is all-important! Seconds saved count. FD,
> especially, brings out every lid-ism. It's actually easy to have one ...
> or more ... contest QSO's while waiting for a "please copy my number". Add
> another QSO in the log for "good luck in the contest" babble.
>
> 73
>
> Ken Kopp - K0PP
> On Dec 1, 2014 11:30 AM, "Jim Brown" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>
>>> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface
>>> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with
>>> another station.
>>>
>> NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is
>> running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing
>> that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone
>> sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call
>> -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW
>> elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters
>> equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters use "TU" or "R"
>> and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign.
>>
>> Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied
>> correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded
>> to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it
>> wrong.
>>
>> Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Thorpe, Jeffrey

Re: OT: Contesting / DXing practices

The band plans work better when operators actually abide by "using only the power required to make contact." In fact, the band plans might much less important if operators would bother to follow the "power rule."
Friends and I, who do happen to live fairly close, can (and do) actually talk using .1-.2W (yes, those are decimal points) on 40m, NVIS. It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Dec 1, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I would say to use the Bandplan of the country that you are licensed in
> it is a simple matter of courtesy to be considerate of those who do not care to contest
>
>
> From: brian <[hidden email]>
> To: Harry Yingst <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices
>
> Harry,
>
> Which bandplan? There are many. EU bandplans are different from Asian
> band plans for example. There are also many groups/modes/nets etc who
> plop themselves down anywhere and declare that frequency theirs. Then
> they bemoan interference?
>
> If you really look at the band plans, it would take a superhuman to
> avoid all the little niches.
>
> Also what you see is a reflection of too little space available. RTTY
> contests are a good example. Do you really think it can be constrained
> to be within 14080 and 14090?
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>
>> On 12/1/2014 21:15 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> I would also like to add pay attention to the bandplan
>> Many are NOT contesting and it spoils there enjoyment when contesters encroach on them while they are operating.
>> Examples: CW or RTTy being run on top of the JT65 Guys or SSB Voice on top of the SSTV guys.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]>
>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>> Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:01 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices
>>
>> Jim is speaks the truth.....
>>
>> While the premise of beginning a transmission with "DE" ... or the called
>> station's call ... may be "correct", in practice it assures one first place
>> in the "lid" line.
>>
>> 5NN is the only "cut" number that's acceptable to me, too.
>>
>> In the contesting arena time is all-important! Seconds saved count. FD,
>> especially, brings out every lid-ism. It's actually easy to have one ...
>> or more ... contest QSO's while waiting for a "please copy my number". Add
>> another QSO in the log for "good luck in the contest" babble.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>> On Dec 1, 2014 11:30 AM, "Jim Brown" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface
>>>> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with
>>>> another station.
>>> NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is
>>> running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing
>>> that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone
>>> sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call
>>> -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW
>>> elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters
>>> equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters use "TU" or "R"
>>> and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign.
>>>
>>> Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied
>>> correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded
>>> to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN.
>>>
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: OT: Contesting / DXing practices

>>>> It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. <<<<
Did he had his mic gain turn way up, and his compression equally as high , so he could get more PUNCH?????!

((((73)))) Milverton /W9MMS

From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <[hidden email]>
To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices

The band plans work better when operators actually abide by "using only the power required to make contact." In fact, the band plans might much less important if operators would bother to follow the "power rule."
Friends and I, who do happen to live fairly close, can (and do) actually talk using .1-.2W (yes, those are decimal points) on 40m, NVIS. It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ.

Jeff - kg7hdz

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Re: OT: Contesting / DXing practices

I am shocked to see people that believe you can legislate social behavior. Heck there are laws against murder, but people still do it
George, W6GF

On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:18 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:

>>>> It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. <<<<
Did he had his mic gain turn way up, and his compression equally as high , so he could get more PUNCH?????!

((((73)))) Milverton /W9MMS

From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <[hidden email]>
To: Elecraft Reflector <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices

The band plans work better when operators actually abide by "using only the power required to make contact." In fact, the band plans might much less important if operators would bother to follow the "power rule."
Friends and I, who do happen to live fairly close, can (and do) actually talk using .1-.2W (yes, those are decimal points) on 40m, NVIS. It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ.

Jeff - kg7hdz

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Jim Low man

Re: OT: Contesting / DXing practices

Especially when general guidelines, like best practices and bandplans,
don't have the force of law.

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 12/2/2014 12:50 PM, george fritkin via Elecraft wrote:

> I am shocked to see people that believe you can legislate social behavior. Heck there are laws against murder, but people still do it
> George, W6GF
>
> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:18 AM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> >>>> It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. <<<<
> Did he had his mic gain turn way up, and his compression equally as high , so he could get more PUNCH?????!
>
> ((((73)))) Milverton /W9MMS
>
>

riese-k3djc

Re: OT: Contesting / DXing practices

In reply to this post by Ken G Kopp

hand in hand with ESSB,, not shure why a 5 khz signal sounds better that
someone running a 3 Khz ssb ,,,, they may as well just run AM

HAR

Bob K3DJC

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 19:11:06 +0000 (UTC) "Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft"
<[hidden email]> writes:
> >>>> It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s)
> running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200
> miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. <<<<
> Did he had his mic gain turn way up, and his compression equally as
> high , so he could get more PUNCH?????!
>
> ((((73)))) Milverton /W9MMS

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Jack Brindle-2

Re: OT: Contesting / DXing practices

In reply to this post by Thorpe, Jeffrey

But can he hear you? It is quite common for stations on the same frequency not to be able to hear each other. It could be due to power differential, propagation conditions, or other similar situations.
If you are running very low power, but with a received (such as the K3) that matches very well with a high power transmitter, you may be able to hear someone who simply cannot hear your low-power signal.
To then blame them for the situation you face doesn’t make sense.

Come join us in contesting and you will encounter this on a regular basis, where shifts in propagation over time will turn a completely clear frequency shared by two stations into a complete mess where the stations QRM each other. Eventually one (or both) will have to QSY to get their rate going again. This is just one of the situations that makes things both fun and challenging.

73!

Jack B, W6FB

> On Dec 2, 2014, at 6:02 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> The band plans work better when operators actually abide by "using only the power required to make contact." In fact, the band plans might much less important if operators would bother to follow the "power rule."
> Friends and I, who do happen to live fairly close, can (and do) actually talk using .1-.2W (yes, those are decimal points) on 40m, NVIS. It is really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ.
>
> Jeff - kg7hdz
>
>
>
>> On Dec 1, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> I would say to use the Bandplan of the country that you are licensed in
>> it is a simple matter of courtesy to be considerate of those who do not care to contest
>>
>>
>> From: brian <[hidden email]>
>> To: Harry Yingst <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices
>>
>> Harry,
>>
>> Which bandplan? There are many. EU bandplans are different from Asian
>> band plans for example. There are also many groups/modes/nets etc who
>> plop themselves down anywhere and declare that frequency theirs. Then
>> they bemoan interference?
>>
>> If you really look at the band plans, it would take a superhuman to
>> avoid all the little niches.
>>
>> Also what you see is a reflection of too little space available. RTTY
>> contests are a good example. Do you really think it can be constrained
>> to be within 14080 and 14090?
>>
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>>
>>> On 12/1/2014 21:15 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>>> I would also like to add pay attention to the bandplan
>>> Many are NOT contesting and it spoils there enjoyment when contesters encroach on them while they are operating.
>>> Examples: CW or RTTy being run on top of the JT65 Guys or SSB Voice on top of the SSTV guys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Ken G Kopp <[hidden email]>
>>> To: [hidden email]; [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 3:01 PM
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Contesting / DXing practices
>>>
>>> Jim is speaks the truth.....
>>>
>>> While the premise of beginning a transmission with "DE" ... or the called
>>> station's call ... may be "correct", in practice it assures one first place
>>> in the "lid" line.
>>>
>>> 5NN is the only "cut" number that's acceptable to me, too.
>>>
>>> In the contesting arena time is all-important! Seconds saved count. FD,
>>> especially, brings out every lid-ism. It's actually easy to have one ...
>>> or more ... contest QSO's while waiting for a "please copy my number". Add
>>> another QSO in the log for "good luck in the contest" babble.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Ken Kopp - K0PP
>>>> On Dec 1, 2014 11:30 AM, "Jim Brown" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon,12/1/2014 5:52 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> But PLEASE DO develop the habit of using the characters "DE" to preface
>>>>> the sending of your callsign, whether calling CQ or in exchange with
>>>>> another station.
>>>> NO, NO, NO! (CAPS added for emphasis). When a contester (or DXpedition) is
>>>> running (calling CQ), we EXPECT to hear YOUR callsign, and we start typing
>>>> that call in the entry window. Lots of calls begin with D, so when someone
>>>> sends DE, we must backspace. DON'T send his call first -- he knows his call
>>>> -- only send yours. Same problem with typing. Further, sending the old CW
>>>> elements like DE, K, KN, and QSL during a contest are time-wasters
>>>> equivalent to "please copy" on SSB. Most good contesters use "TU" or "R"
>>>> and end a QSO by sending "TU" followed by their callsign.
>>>>
>>>> Another rule -- NEVER resend anything that the other station has copied
>>>> correctly. If the other station sent your call correctly when he responded
>>>> to you, don't send it again. Send it again ONLY if you think he got it
>>>> wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Count me among those who HATE cut numbers other than for 5NN.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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Thorpe, Jeffrey

Re: OT: Contesting / DXing practices

Guys, please do not put words in my mouth, and please pay attention to my statements and their context.

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Re: OT: Contesting / DXing practices

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Are you suggesting that contest/DX ops should adjust their power for each contact?

I'm about 50 miles from you, I hope you're not accusing me of being a jerk for
running 500 W to a 40' high dipole to work DX; for example, 9K2 on 40-meters at
my morning grey line or IT9 an hour before sunset a couple of weeks ago. I
suppose on a dead-quiet band with no QRM I could do it with much lower power,
but those were not the conditions I had to work with.

Wes N7WS

Jeffrey wrote:

The band plans work better when operators actually abide by "using only the
power required to make contact." In fact, the band plans might much less
important if operators would bother to follow the "power rule." Friends and I,
who do happen to live fairly close, can (and do) actually talk using .1-.2W
(yes, those are decimal points) on 40m, NVIS. It is really irritating to get
stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred watts to talk when they're
less than 200 miles away, as happens here in southern AZ. Jeff - kg7hdz
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Re: OT: Contesting / DXing practices

I think he is talking about the jerks who run max smoke to talk to each
other when only a few hundred miles apart.

I've heard this behavior on 40M fairly often:

Goober asks Billy Joe Bob if he can copy him. BJB says "sure, solid copy!
You are only 35 over 9, down from your usual 40 over." G says, "I thought
so. Something must be wrong with my antenna, The SWR here this morning is
1.35; usually it is 1.15 and I was worried about blowing up my lineaaar or
something. I still copy you fine, though, 40 over like usual." These two
have talked nearly every morning for 20 years, could copy each other just
fine on 50 watts or less but run full bore, and proud of it!

or similar.

73 de W6OGC Jim Allen

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Wes (N7WS) <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Are you suggesting that contest/DX ops should adjust their power for each
> contact?
>
> I'm about 50 miles from you, I hope you're not accusing me of being a jerk
> for running 500 W to a 40' high dipole to work DX; for example, 9K2 on
> 40-meters at my morning grey line or IT9 an hour before sunset a couple of
> weeks ago. I suppose on a dead-quiet band with no QRM I could do it with
> much lower power, but those were not the conditions I had to work with.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
> Jeffrey wrote:
>
> The band plans work better when operators actually abide by "using only
> the power required to make contact." In fact, the band plans might much
> less important if operators would bother to follow the "power rule."
> Friends and I, who do happen to live fairly close, can (and do) actually
> talk using .1-.2W (yes, those are decimal points) on 40m, NVIS. It is
> really irritating to get stomped on by some jerk(s) running several hundred
> watts to talk when they're less than 200 miles away, as happens here in
> southern AZ. Jeff - kg7hdz
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Thorpe, Jeffrey

Re: OT: Contesting / DXing practices

Thank-you Jim, you are correct.
Wes, no I am not talking about you.

As I wrote off-list earlier to another person:

My complaint, specifically stated earlier, was about the the operators who are all within 200 miles of each other (and me and those I am talking to). Actually, we're nearly all within 100 miles. I have no problem with people "blasting" to make a DX, or get through in a contest - that's the nature of the beast. I'm just talking about basic politeness for a casual ragchew. If people did that, there'd be leas bandwidth crowding, and a smaller possibility of encroaching government regulations on us in the future. I certainly don't want to be forced to go 'narrow-band' like happened to commercial.

Jeff - kg7hdz

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