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Jim Brown-10

Re: OT GENERAC generators

This is an issue where systems engineering comes into play. I live in
the Santa Cruz mountains, where we lose power for a few hours or a few
days a few times a year. Causes include storms that drop limbs onto
power lines, disruptions because sections of the grid are shut down to
support fire fighting, or because line. So far, (8 years) we haven't
encountered an earthquake, but that will set up longer outages and other
issues.

We heat and cook with propane and have no Air Conditioning -- our
electrical loads are home appliances like refrigerators, lighting, home
entertainment, computers, and well motors. I've moved everything but the
well motors and big electrical loads (like a microwave) to one side of
120V, and can run it quite nicely from a Honda 2000i running in econo
mode. That drinks very little petrol, and we let it rest when we're
sleeping. Internet, local WiFi, and other crucial systems are backed up
with batteries that are float charged with wall warts and can run for
days. In my shack, everything but computers and power amps run on big
batteries that are charged by solar.

We have a much bigger 240V Honda that can handle the well motors and
drinks a lot more gas. 90% of our outages are handled by the 2000i, and
we fire up the big one only when we need more. The well has two pumps
-- one that pulls water up 100 ft to the tank, and another that
pressurizes the system. Our water tanks are a few tens of feet above the
house and hold a lot of water, so we can go for a while without running
the pressure motors and well pumps. Not a lot of pressure, but enough
until we need to take a shower. Laundry can almost always wait. We
haven't used A/C since we left Chicago in 2006.

I suggest that anyone contemplating a generator do this sort of system
engineering.

73, Jim K9YC
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alsopb

Re: OT GENERAC generators

In reply to this post by Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

I have a gasoline powered unit. Dismissed propane because of the cost
of the tank/tank rental and the minimum yearly fee for propane --whether
you need any or not. These costs ended up being too high for a few days
a year of generator use. We're in the sticks and don't have competition
in the propane market.

I suggest one look into the details of how propane is sold in your area
before buying a propane fired generator. YMMV

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 7/26/2014 05:41, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> Propane, in a sealed tank under pressure, tends to have good shelf-life.
>
> Gasoline, stored in a vented tank, tends to turn to varnish.
>
> A tank of diesel will support bacteria growth, which clogs the filter
> (when you need it most).
>
> If we're talking about an emergency generator that is used infrequently,
> then propane is a really good choice.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 7/25/2014 6:40 PM, Acbross via Elecraft wrote:
>> A friend of ours had a propane powered generator in his cab over.
>> Didn't like it at all because it ran off the same tank as his heater
>> and stove. Biggest problem with it was propane has less power per
>> volume than gas.
>
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Fred Smith-2

Re: OT GENERAC generators

I have used a 5500 w Honda for many years the only problems with it have
been gasoline related as with all gas models. The Honda has been an
excellent choice and mine still has many years of use left, that said this
fall we will be up grading to a propane Generac. I just bought a used 1000
gal tank to tie into my 500 gal line for house and generator. This is the
cheapest and most dependable route to go for fuel and by far the safest to
handle, store, keep fresh. My first choice would be natural gas if it were
available to me.

73 & Good DX,
Fred N0AZZ

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I have a gasoline powered unit. Dismissed propane because of the cost of
the tank/tank rental and the minimum yearly fee for propane --whether you
need any or not. These costs ended up being too high for a few days a year
of generator use. We're in the sticks and don't have competition in the
propane market.

I suggest one look into the details of how propane is sold in your area
before buying a propane fired generator. YMMV

73 de Brian/K3KO

On 7/26/2014 05:41, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

> Propane, in a sealed tank under pressure, tends to have good shelf-life.
>
> Gasoline, stored in a vented tank, tends to turn to varnish.
>
> A tank of diesel will support bacteria growth, which clogs the filter
> (when you need it most).
>
> If we're talking about an emergency generator that is used
> infrequently, then propane is a really good choice.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 7/25/2014 6:40 PM, Acbross via Elecraft wrote:
>> A friend of ours had a propane powered generator in his cab over.
>> Didn't like it at all because it ran off the same tank as his heater
>> and stove. Biggest problem with it was propane has less power per
>> volume than gas.
>
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Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT

Re: OT GENERAC generators

In reply to this post by alsopb

Clearly YMMV, and we're all trying to solve different problems.

My gasoline generators were a constant maintenance hassle because the AC
power was so reliable that they were very rarely used, and I was
constantly cleaning varnish out of the fuel system. My loads were small
enough that a portable (100 pound) propane tank was more than adequate.

If you have an outage every couple of months, then you aren't going to
have trouble with stale gas.

Also, if you plan on siphoning fresh fuel from your car, make sure you
can get past the anti-siphon baffle.

My favorite solution for intermittent backup is at http://priups.com.
Enough to make me think about buying a Prius.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/26/2014 7:12 AM, Brian Alsop wrote:
> I suggest one look into the details of how propane is sold in your
> area before buying a propane fired generator. YMMV

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Edward R Cole

Re: OT GENERAC generators

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Gasoline storage is easy....use fuel stabilizer...one oz to 2-1/2
gallons of gasoline.

But you should run any gasoline engine regularly to keep it in good
working order. Once/month long enough at least to reach operating
temperature. This keeps oil in bearings and seals in good shape.

I know most just park their lawn mower over winter with gas in the
tank. But an expensive gen set needs a little TLC to keep running
well...like changing the oil and filters (oil and gas).

We have enough outages that fuel is not stored longer than a few
months (and I use stabilizer).

73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: OT GENERAC generators

While this is getting to be long, I think this excerpt from a generator manufacturer sums it up best.

Generator set exercise
Generator sets on continuous standby must be able to go from a cold start to being fully operational in a matter
of seconds. This can impose a severe burden on engine parts. However,
regular exercising keeps engine parts lubricated, prevents oxidation of
electrical contacts, uses up fuel before it deteriorates, and, in
general, helps provide reliable engine starting. Exercise the generator
set at least once a month for a minimum of 30 min. loaded to no less
than one-third of the nameplate rating. Periods of no-load operation
should be held to a minimum because unburned fuel tends to accumulate in the exhaust system. Whenever possible, test the system with actual
building loads in order to exercise the automatic transfer switches and
verify performance under real-world conditions. If connecting to the
normal load is not convenient for test purposes, the best engine
performance and longevity will be obtained by connecting it to a load
bank of at least one-third the nameplate rating. Be sure to return the
generator control to AUTO at the conclusion of any maintenance.

Mel, K6KBE

On Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:10 PM, Edward R Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gasoline storage is easy....use fuel stabilizer...one oz to 2-1/2
gallons of gasoline.

But you should run any gasoline engine regularly to keep it in good
working order. Once/month long enough at least to reach operating
temperature. This keeps oil in bearings and seals in good shape.

I know most just park their lawn mower over winter with gas in the
tank. But an expensive gen set
needs a little TLC to keep running
well...like changing the oil and filters (oil and gas).

We have enough outages that fuel is not stored longer than a few
months (and I use stabilizer).

73, Ed - KL7UW
http://www.kl7uw.com
"Kits made by KL7UW"
Dubus Mag business:
[hidden email]

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Bill Frantz

Re: OT GENERAC generators

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On 7/26/14 at 10:52 AM, [hidden email] (Lynn W.
Taylor, WB6UUT) wrote:

>My gasoline generators were a constant maintenance hassle
>because the AC power was so reliable that they were very rarely
>used, and I was constantly cleaning varnish out of the fuel system.

Our generator dates to the great northeast ice storm of 2008.
That is the first and last time it was used "for real". Since
then it has had its oil changed once a year after running it for
1/2 hour. We run it until the gas tank is dry and have had no
problems with starting or running.

Fuel for the generator is kept in 5 gallon gerry cans and cycled
through our vehicles regularly.

The house was built in 1793, so can be used without electricity.
During the ice storm we had one room just above freezing and one
below -- walk in refrigerator and freezer. Two wood stoves and
5 fireplaces cover the heating and cooking needs. Candles and
oil lamps provide light, and we can go to bed earlier than
usual. :-)

The XYL likes indoor plumbing, which requires running the well
pump. The oil burner also helps keep the house more livable for
less work than the two wood stoves.

During the 5 days we were without power after the ice storm, the
well pump and the furnace were the two loads we "had" to run. We
also ran some lights, a coffee grinder etc. The local gas
stations were open, making filling the gerry cans easy.

We are still trying to nail down our real needs to prepare for
the next extended outage. In addition to ice storms, hurricanes
happen, and tornados have taken out the power lines from a major
generating station leaving Huntsville AL without power for
several days. (My XYL arrived in Huntsville with an inverter and
was very popular because she could help people charge cell phone
batteries from autos.)

73 Bill AE6JV

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Fred Smith-2

Re: OT GENERAC generators

Our last major ice storm left us without electricity for 17 days and we used
$370 in gasoline for the generator being used concretively. Most gas
stations were without power for the first week.

Fred/N0AZZ

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On 7/26/14 at 10:52 AM, [hidden email] (Lynn W.
Taylor, WB6UUT) wrote:

>My gasoline generators were a constant maintenance hassle because the
>AC power was so reliable that they were very rarely used, and I was
>constantly cleaning varnish out of the fuel system.

Our generator dates to the great northeast ice storm of 2008.
That is the first and last time it was used "for real". Since then it has
had its oil changed once a year after running it for
1/2 hour. We run it until the gas tank is dry and have had no problems with
starting or running.

Fuel for the generator is kept in 5 gallon gerry cans and cycled through our
vehicles regularly.

The house was built in 1793, so can be used without electricity.
During the ice storm we had one room just above freezing and one below --
walk in refrigerator and freezer. Two wood stoves and
5 fireplaces cover the heating and cooking needs. Candles and oil lamps
provide light, and we can go to bed earlier than usual. :-)

The XYL likes indoor plumbing, which requires running the well pump. The oil
burner also helps keep the house more livable for less work than the two
wood stoves.

During the 5 days we were without power after the ice storm, the well pump
and the furnace were the two loads we "had" to run. We also ran some lights,
a coffee grinder etc. The local gas stations were open, making filling the
gerry cans easy.

We are still trying to nail down our real needs to prepare for the next
extended outage. In addition to ice storms, hurricanes happen, and tornados
have taken out the power lines from a major generating station leaving
Huntsville AL without power for several days. (My XYL arrived in Huntsville
with an inverter and was very popular because she could help people charge
cell phone batteries from autos.)

73 Bill AE6JV

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Edward R Cole

Re: OT GENERAC generators

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That makes sense and I actually like to run with the house load on
the gen. I have a manual transfer switch so I run about 5-minutes to
allow engine to warm up before applying a load in test runs. Tend to
be shorter if there is an actual power outage.

73, Ed - KL7UW

At 11:29 AM 7/26/2014, Mel Farrer wrote:

>While this is getting to be long, I think this excerpt from a
>generator manufacturer sums it up best.
>
>
>
>
>Generator set exercise
>
>
>
>Generator sets on continuous standby must be able to go from a cold
>start to being fully operational in a matter of seconds. This can
>impose a severe burden on engine parts. However, regular exercising
>keeps engine parts lubricated, prevents oxidation of electrical
>contacts, uses up fuel before it deteriorates, and, in general,
>helps provide reliable engine starting. Exercise the generator set
>at least once a month for a minimum of 30 min. loaded to no less
>than one-third of the nameplate rating. Periods of no-load operation
>should be held to a minimum because unburned fuel tends to
>accumulate in the exhaust system. Whenever possible, test the system
>with actual building loads in order to exercise the automatic
>transfer switches and verify performance under real-world
>conditions. If connecting to the normal load is not convenient for
>test purposes, the best engine performance and longevity will be
>obtained by connecting it to a load bank of at least one-third the
>nameplate rating. Be sure to return the generator control to AUTO at
>the conclusion of any maintenance.
>
>Mel, K6KBE
>
>
>
>
>
>On Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:10 PM, Edward R Cole
><[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
>Gasoline storage is easy....use fuel stabilizer...one oz to 2-1/2
>gallons of gasoline.
>
>But you should run any gasoline engine regularly to keep it in good
>working order. Once/month long enough at least to reach operating
>temperature. This keeps oil in bearings and seals in good shape.
>
>I know most just park their lawn mower over winter with gas in the
>tank. But an expensive gen set needs a little TLC to keep running
>well...like changing the oil and filters (oil and gas).
>
>We have enough outages that fuel is not stored longer than a few
>months (and I use stabilizer).
>
>73, Ed - KL7UW
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Chip Stratton

Re: OT GENERAC generators

If you want to assess the quality of a generator's output, take a look at
it on the oscilloscope, The cleanest waveforms will come from generators
using a brushless alternator, or perhaps one of the sine-wave inverter
generators like the extremely quiet Honda and Yamaha units.

I know that, at least in the past, Generac used brush type alternators.
These typically had rather dirty waveforms when I scoped them, with THD
well above the 5% that is considered good. While most appliances are fine
with this higher distortion, a waveform rich in 3rd harmonics makes motors
run hotter/less efficiently. Whether significant harmonics extend into the
RF zone, I don't know - maybe not an issue with our radios. I was able to
find a 6500 watt Porter-Cable unit on wheels with a brushless alternator
which I converted to use natural gas in addition to gasolne if necessary.
This has worked well for me, though now that I have it power failures have
become rare. Go Figure!

Chip
AE5KA

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Edward R Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:

> That makes sense and I actually like to run with the house load on the
> gen. I have a manual transfer switch so I run about 5-minutes to allow
> engine to warm up before applying a load in test runs. Tend to be shorter
> if there is an actual power outage.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>
> At 11:29 AM 7/26/2014, Mel Farrer wrote:
>
>> While this is getting to be long, I think this excerpt from a generator
>> manufacturer sums it up best.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Generator set exercise
>>
>>
>>
>> Generator sets on continuous standby must be able to go from a cold start
>> to being fully operational in a matter of seconds. This can impose a severe
>> burden on engine parts. However, regular exercising keeps engine parts
>> lubricated, prevents oxidation of electrical contacts, uses up fuel before
>> it deteriorates, and, in general, helps provide reliable engine starting.
>> Exercise the generator set at least once a month for a minimum of 30 min.
>> loaded to no less than one-third of the nameplate rating. Periods of
>> no-load operation should be held to a minimum because unburned fuel tends
>> to accumulate in the exhaust system. Whenever possible, test the system
>> with actual building loads in order to exercise the automatic transfer
>> switches and verify performance under real-world conditions. If connecting
>> to the normal load is not convenient for test purposes, the best engine
>> performance and longevity will be obtained by connecting it to a load bank
>> of at least one-third the nameplate rating. Be sure to return the generator
>> control to AUTO at the conclusion of any maintenance.
>>
>> Mel, K6KBE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:10 PM, Edward R Cole <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Gasoline storage is easy....use fuel stabilizer...one oz to 2-1/2
>> gallons of gasoline.
>>
>> But you should run any gasoline engine regularly to keep it in good
>> working order. Once/month long enough at least to reach operating
>> temperature. This keeps oil in bearings and seals in good shape.
>>
>> I know most just park their lawn mower over winter with gas in the
>> tank. But an expensive gen set needs a little TLC to keep running
>> well...like changing the oil and filters (oil and gas).
>>
>> We have enough outages that fuel is not stored longer than a few
>> months (and I use stabilizer).
>>
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>> <http://www.kl7uw.com/>http://www.kl7uw.com
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Pete Smith N4ZR

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I'm sure we're about to get shut down by the moderator, but I couldn't
let this go unquestioned, so I called Generac. They say that the THD
spec for their stationary generators is <3%, so they must be using one
of the better technologies. Mine is a 14KW propane unit with a
whole-house switch. It runs automagically every Saturday afternoon for
about 15 minutes, though with no load. We've hasd a couple of
multi-hour outages since we've had it, and I've been on the air on HF,
and never noticed any noise..

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On 7/27/2014 10:24 AM, Chip Stratton wrote:

> If you want to assess the quality of a generator's output, take a look at
> it on the oscilloscope, The cleanest waveforms will come from generators
> using a brushless alternator, or perhaps one of the sine-wave inverter
> generators like the extremely quiet Honda and Yamaha units.
>
> I know that, at least in the past, Generac used brush type alternators.
> These typically had rather dirty waveforms when I scoped them, with THD
> well above the 5% that is considered good. While most appliances are fine
> with this higher distortion, a waveform rich in 3rd harmonics makes motors
> run hotter/less efficiently. Whether significant harmonics extend into the
> RF zone, I don't know - maybe not an issue with our radios. I was able to
> find a 6500 watt Porter-Cable unit on wheels with a brushless alternator
> which I converted to use natural gas in addition to gasolne if necessary.
> This has worked well for me, though now that I have it power failures have
> become rare. Go Figure!
>
> Chip
> AE5KA
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>
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 11:27 PM, Edward R Cole <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> That makes sense and I actually like to run with the house load on the
>> gen. I have a manual transfer switch so I run about 5-minutes to allow
>> engine to warm up before applying a load in test runs. Tend to be shorter
>> if there is an actual power outage.
>>
>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>
>> At 11:29 AM 7/26/2014, Mel Farrer wrote:
>>
>>> While this is getting to be long, I think this excerpt from a generator
>>> manufacturer sums it up best.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Generator set exercise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Generator sets on continuous standby must be able to go from a cold start
>>> to being fully operational in a matter of seconds. This can impose a severe
>>> burden on engine parts. However, regular exercising keeps engine parts
>>> lubricated, prevents oxidation of electrical contacts, uses up fuel before
>>> it deteriorates, and, in general, helps provide reliable engine starting.
>>> Exercise the generator set at least once a month for a minimum of 30 min.
>>> loaded to no less than one-third of the nameplate rating. Periods of
>>> no-load operation should be held to a minimum because unburned fuel tends
>>> to accumulate in the exhaust system. Whenever possible, test the system
>>> with actual building loads in order to exercise the automatic transfer
>>> switches and verify performance under real-world conditions. If connecting
>>> to the normal load is not convenient for test purposes, the best engine
>>> performance and longevity will be obtained by connecting it to a load bank
>>> of at least one-third the nameplate rating. Be sure to return the generator
>>> control to AUTO at the conclusion of any maintenance.
>>>
>>> Mel, K6KBE
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:10 PM, Edward R Cole <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Gasoline storage is easy....use fuel stabilizer...one oz to 2-1/2
>>> gallons of gasoline.
>>>
>>> But you should run any gasoline engine regularly to keep it in good
>>> working order. Once/month long enough at least to reach operating
>>> temperature. This keeps oil in bearings and seals in good shape.
>>>
>>> I know most just park their lawn mower over winter with gas in the
>>> tank. But an expensive gen set needs a little TLC to keep running
>>> well...like changing the oil and filters (oil and gas).
>>>
>>> We have enough outages that fuel is not stored longer than a few
>>> months (and I use stabilizer).
>>>
>>> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>>> <http://www.kl7uw.com/>http://www.kl7uw.com
>>> "Kits made by KL7UW"
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Bob-270

Re: OT GENERAC generators

Well after hurricane Sandy I was out for well over a week. And I'm 50 miles
inland in the NW corner of NJ. A big issue was gas. Even gas stations that had
gas had no power to pump it.

I had an old Dayton with a Briggs & Stratton engine.rated at 2.5kw. Ran fine for
duration but killer was 25 hour oil change interval and pull starting. It like
many small engines had a "splash" oiling system. Generac has generators at many
price points. I settled on an 8KW unit with electric start but the more
important feature was a full pressure oiling system with filter and 100 hour
change intervals. Just another consideration if looking at generators
especially smaller ones.

Since purchase it has more testing than generating hours. I hope it stays that
way.

73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR & K2TKR

On 7/27/2014 1:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

> One side topic was “how long could power be out?”
>
> At the Carleton Complex fire in Washington, power is being restored after seven days.
>
> I grew up in Baton Rouge. After Hurricane Betsy in 1965, our phones were out for seven days and power for ten days. We lived in a suburban area in the middle of town.
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W7CS

Re: OT GENERAC generators

In reply to this post by ve1js

FWIW.

Replenishing gasoline that's been depleted by emergency motor
generators may not be as easy as going down to the local Service
Station. Most often if you have lost power, so have they, and not
only will their pumps not work but neither will their cash registers
or credit card charging systems. The same may be true at the local
markets and hardware stores !

I spent a day waiting for a Baja Mexico gas station to be able to
pump, when they'd lost power. I had to spend the night, in their
parking lot, beside my off road motorcycle, that I was touring on .

In the N. CA earthquake of, I believe '85, we were without power at
home for 10 days. Fortunately the power company prioritized getting
power again first to the hospitals and their other commercial customers,

W7CS ex WA6MGZ

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Re: OT GENERAC generators

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it depends where, as you say… Here in South Florida, all gas stations are required to have backup power. Lessons have been learned from our previous encounters with hurricanes and himacanes.

73

Gil, W1RG

From: Chuck Smallhouse
Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎July‎ ‎27‎, ‎2014 ‎5‎:‎34‎ ‎PM
To: [hidden email]

FWIW.

Replenishing gasoline that's been depleted by emergency motor
generators may not be as easy as going down to the local Service
Station. Most often if you have lost power, so have they, and not
only will their pumps not work but neither will their cash registers
or credit card charging systems. The same may be true at the local
markets and hardware stores !

I spent a day waiting for a Baja Mexico gas station to be able to
pump, when they'd lost power. I had to spend the night, in their
parking lot, beside my off road motorcycle, that I was touring on .

In the N. CA earthquake of, I believe '85, we were without power at
home for 10 days. Fortunately the power company prioritized getting
power again first to the hospitals and their other commercial customers,

W7CS ex WA6MGZ

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Re: OT GENERAC generators

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Well, in this case I will suggest you to buy Honda eu3000is generator. I am also using it and that is why I know that it is perfect for long electricity power cuts. Its super silent features are also wonderful.