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The guys I looked up to were the radio ops on ship. They sat at a typewriter and had to type perfectly as they copied perfectly.
Rich, n0ce From: Ron D'Eau Claire<mailto:[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 6:34 PM To: 'KENT TRIMBLE'<mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]>; [hidden email]<mailto:[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew In military and commercial brass pounding in the USA, we were limited to something between 13 and 20 wpm, usually closer to 13, because long studies demonstrated that slower is faster because of fewer mistakes copying every letter correctly on a keyboard or paper. And hearing whole "words" was a path to disaster if one was copying five letter code groups. If I was caught trying to run an Army CW net above about 15 wpm I'd likely end up on KP for a month. (KP = kitchen police: cleaning kitchens, peeling potatoes, etc.) The object was to ensure that everyone on the circuit could copy perfectly the first time. In the "day" some commercial point-to-point circuits required the operators use the "company key" provided - a bug with the weights welded on for about 15 wpm just to keep the speeds down for faster message handling. I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a shipboard operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run equally slow, no matter how painful. But Amateur Radio is a whole different world with different skills being most useful, skills such as head copy at 20 or 30 wpm. I enjoy "reading the mail" on CW while puttering around the shack, just as if listening to a voice transmission. And many Hams enjoy constantly pushing the envelope on speed just for the fun of it. Ham radio is, after all, a Hobby. If the other station copies the name as Don, not Ron, and the QTH as Forest Lawn (a cemetery in Los Angeles) and not Forest Grove (a town in Oregon), it's easily corrected on the next transmission. 73, Ron AC7AC -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of KENT TRIMBLE Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 11:31 AM To: [hidden email]; [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew One caveat, Fred . . . Traffic handlers MUST copy on paper or on a word processor. In my opinion, one is not a skilled telegrapher until one can copy in head and on paper with equal accuracy. 73, Kent K9ZTV On 6/12/2017 11:59 AM, Fred Moore wrote: > the moral... put down the pencil and paper. > > Fred Moore > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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I was one of the last Radio Officers to sail an all CW ship. It was the SS Tampa Bay, call sign KNJA. We worked our way up and down the South American coasts from ports in the US gulf coast.
I mainly worked WLO on 16 and 22 MHz. We typically hummed along around 30 WPM due to the requirement for perfect copy in both directions. I once made a mistake -- spelled a guys name wrong by one letter (Johnson vs. Johnsen or some such thing) and I really caught hell from The Old Man. That didn't happen again! One day I was just doing a poor job of sending and had to keep correcting myself. After all the traffic was sent I apologized to the shore station op. He said, "Are you kidding? You have the best fist I've copied all day." Nice guy, made me feel much better about my sloppy sending. I have little doubt he was a Ham. You can see a pic of a typical shipboard radio room of that era at: http://www.w7kf.com/Articles/Rigs/ITTMackay3020A.html Fond memories... 73, Doug, W7KF > On Jun 12, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> wrote: > > I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a shipboard > operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run equally > slow, no matter how painful. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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In the interest of releiving email overload for our readers, lets close this OT
thread at this time. Its well past the single day posting limit. 73, Eric List Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 6/12/2017 9:14 PM, Doug Smith wrote: > I was one of the last Radio Officers to sail an all CW ship. It was the SS Tampa Bay, call sign KNJA. We worked our way up and down the South American coasts from ports in the US gulf coast. > > I mainly worked WLO on 16 and 22 MHz. We typically hummed along around 30 WPM due to the requirement for perfect copy in both directions. I once made a mistake -- spelled a guys name wrong by one letter (Johnson vs. Johnsen or some such thing) and I really caught hell from The Old Man. That didn't happen again! > > One day I was just doing a poor job of sending and had to keep correcting myself. After all the traffic was sent I apologized to the shore station op. He said, "Are you kidding? You have the best fist I've copied all day." Nice guy, made me feel much better about my sloppy sending. I have little doubt he was a Ham. > > You can see a pic of a typical shipboard radio room of that era at: > http://www.w7kf.com/Articles/Rigs/ITTMackay3020A.html > > Fond memories... > > 73, > Doug, W7KF > > >> On Jun 12, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a shipboard >> operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run equally >> slow, no matter how painful. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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My apologies for opening what became an overwhelmingly nice, polite,
friendly, and educational thread for me and perhaps a few others. This is a place where exposing ignorance is rewarded with gold-plated knowledge and bonhomie. I'm not really sorry but good form dictates that response. My replies here are SK. 73 On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 12:28 PM Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < [hidden email]> wrote: > In the interest of releiving email overload for our readers, lets close > this OT > thread at this time. Its well past the single day posting limit. > > 73, > Eric > List Moderator > /elecraft.com/ > > On 6/12/2017 9:14 PM, Doug Smith wrote: > > I was one of the last Radio Officers to sail an all CW ship. It was the > SS Tampa Bay, call sign KNJA. We worked our way up and down the South > American coasts from ports in the US gulf coast. > > > > I mainly worked WLO on 16 and 22 MHz. We typically hummed along around > 30 WPM due to the requirement for perfect copy in both directions. I once > made a mistake -- spelled a guys name wrong by one letter (Johnson vs. > Johnsen or some such thing) and I really caught hell from The Old Man. That > didn't happen again! > > > > One day I was just doing a poor job of sending and had to keep > correcting myself. After all the traffic was sent I apologized to the shore > station op. He said, "Are you kidding? You have the best fist I've copied > all day." Nice guy, made me feel much better about my sloppy sending. I > have little doubt he was a Ham. > > > > You can see a pic of a typical shipboard radio room of that era at: > > http://www.w7kf.com/Articles/Rigs/ITTMackay3020A.html > > > > Fond memories... > > > > 73, > > Doug, W7KF > > > > > >> On Jun 12, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> > >> I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a > shipboard > >> operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run > equally > >> slow, no matter how painful. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] > Jim Sturges, N3SZ Amateur Radio operators do it with frequency. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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Hi Jim,
No need to apologize. All of the thread's posts are good info - We just try to keep the volume of responses to OT threads down to 5-10 to keep list email volume under control for our other readers. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 6/13/2017 9:34 AM, Jim Sr Sturges wrote: > My apologies for opening what became an overwhelmingly nice, polite, friendly, > and educational thread for me and perhaps a few others. This is a place where > exposing ignorance is rewarded with gold-plated knowledge and bonhomie. I'm > not really sorry but good form dictates that response. My replies here are SK. > > 73 > On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 12:28 PM Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > In the interest of releiving email overload for our readers, lets close > this OT > thread at this time. Its well past the single day posting limit. > > 73, > Eric > List Moderator > /elecraft.com/ <http://elecraft.com/> > > On 6/12/2017 9:14 PM, Doug Smith wrote: > > I was one of the last Radio Officers to sail an all CW ship. It was the > SS Tampa Bay, call sign KNJA. We worked our way up and down the South > American coasts from ports in the US gulf coast. > > > > I mainly worked WLO on 16 and 22 MHz. We typically hummed along around > 30 WPM due to the requirement for perfect copy in both directions. I once > made a mistake -- spelled a guys name wrong by one letter (Johnson vs. > Johnsen or some such thing) and I really caught hell from The Old Man. > That didn't happen again! > > > > One day I was just doing a poor job of sending and had to keep > correcting myself. After all the traffic was sent I apologized to the > shore station op. He said, "Are you kidding? You have the best fist I've > copied all day." Nice guy, made me feel much better about my sloppy > sending. I have little doubt he was a Ham. > > > > You can see a pic of a typical shipboard radio room of that era at: > > http://www.w7kf.com/Articles/Rigs/ITTMackay3020A.html > > > > Fond memories... > > > > 73, > > Doug, W7KF > > > > > >> On Jun 12, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > >> > >> I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a > shipboard > >> operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run equally > >> slow, no matter how painful. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to [hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]> > > -- > Jim Sturges, N3SZ > Amateur Radio operators do it with frequency. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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That's the best way Kev
73 Rob G3RCE On Jun 12, 2017 1:19 PM, "Kevin - K4VD" <[hidden email]> wrote: I learned code by memorizing 5 wpm and then getting on the air and having as many contacts as I could. Nothing fancy, no coddling. Just do it. 73, Kev ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:[hidden email] This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to [hidden email] |
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