OT: Nabble threads?

[wrmoore]

I've been playing with reading the Elecraft list through Nabble lately.  
Works pretty good, but many times I've seen a thread that includes one
or more other threads - different subjects entirely.  What's causing this?

73,
Randy, KS4L
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[David Woolley (E.L)]

Randy Moore wrote:
> I've been playing with reading the Elecraft list through Nabble
> lately. Works pretty good, but many times I've seen a thread that
> includes one or more other threads - different subjects entirely.
> What's causing this?

The typical reason for this is people who've never experienced a
threaded interface (for mail, at least) who think the easiest way of
getting the correct submission address is to reply to an exiting article.

Threads are based on In-Reply-To: headers, for email, and References:
headers, for Usenet, and these are normally hidden by mail client.

Outlook is possibly a particular problem, as it can thread Usenet but
not email.

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[Rick Kunath]

David Woolley wrote:

> Outlook is possibly a particular problem, as it can thread Usenet but
> not email.

Outlook can thread email messages. It isn't set to do that by default
though. And most people don't have it set that way.

It's a lousy excuse of an email client, as is Outlook Express, but
people still use it a lot, mainly from not knowing how much easier a
decent client makes dealing with email, and large volumes of email too.

Multiple threads on different subjects, all linked to other threads
occur when someone does as was mentioned up the thread, they hijack an
existing thread by replying and changing the subject. Never do this.
Copy and paste the list address into a new message, or add the list
email address to your address book. Either way start a new message and
you'll have a new thread.

Another way message threading gets messed up is folks using the digest
method of getting the list. Basically, if you are on digest and you
reply, you are breaking the thread as your digest message is it's own
thread. So for digest list readers, just don't reply, unless you want to
break the existing message thread, which you (in digest mode) are not a
part of. Go to Nabble and properly reply to keep the existing thread
intact, or set your list preferences to get individual emails. Then a
reply is to the actual thread.

Once you see how an email client that can properly manage list and other
messages, thread them properly, separate and archive them into separate
folders, and generally make your email life easier, you'll wonder how
you ever did without it for so long. I get thousands of email messages
each day on several accounts, and without a decent email client, I could
never manage them all.

Rick Kunath, k9ao
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[David Woolley (E.L)]

Rick Kunath wrote:
> David Woolley wrote:
>
>> Outlook is possibly a particular problem, as it can thread Usenet but
>> not email.
>
> Outlook can thread email messages. It isn't set to do that by default
> though. And most people don't have it set that way.

Many people use back versions of Outlook because it costs money.  The
version my office uses can group by subject, but can only properly
thread Usenet, not email.

> Another way message threading gets messed up is folks using the digest
> method of getting the list. Basically, if you are on digest and you
> reply, you are breaking the thread as your digest message is it's own

Providing you take the right form of digest, this is not true.
Admittedly most users of the digest probably don't know how to use it
properly.  Actually Outlook handles this better than Thunderbird,
although thunderbird still threads properly.

The digests I receive are in MIME multipart/digest format, and you can
extract the individual articles and reply to them, in which case they do
thread properly.  You only get a problem if people try to reply to the
whole digest, rather than an individual message.



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Rick,

Rick Kunath schrieb am 16 Mar 2008 um 11:12:

> Another way message threading gets messed up is folks using the digest
> method of getting the list. Basically, if you are on digest and you reply,
> you are breaking the thread as your digest message is it's own thread. So
> for digest list readers, just don't reply, unless you want to break the
> existing message thread, which you (in digest mode) are not a part of. Go
> to Nabble and properly reply to keep the existing thread intact, or set
> your list preferences to get individual emails. Then a reply is to the
> actual thread.

this is just a test if Pegasus Mail replies to your mail and does not break the
thread.
I receive the reflector in digest mode btw.
The list server is sending a mime-digest and I can read the messages as if
they were sent as single messages.

73! de Werner OE9FWV



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