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Michael Poteet

[OT] [OT] [OT] K2a

Having noticed the recent semiannual K4 speculation I wanted to offer
speculation in a different direction.

The K2 was originally offered as a true kit that, upon completion, provided
a radio capable of both home use and trail use.

The trail/remote and home use capabilities have been supplanted by the other
radios in the Elecraft stable.

The only really unique feature of the K2 is that it is a true kit; that
said, it is a bit behind the curve in tech plus it is a major PITB to
"align".

I would like to see Elecraft revisit the K2 (well, not exactly):

01) Keep it a kit as much as possible. So maybe RF and AF sections could be
kits (at least partially).

02) Fully assembled as an option.

03) Make the "middle" a high performance SDR; factory assembled and aligned.

04) 6 KHz band pass filter in the first IF with the DSP doing the remaining
filtering functions.

05) Include a 12 volt to (say) 60 volt conversion to power a "high voltage"
RF section.

06) 100 watts output.

07) No FM but add 6 meters.

08) Include Digital Voice as a mode. Pick one of the Open Source
implementations. Make it an "App"; Elecraft would maintain the latest
source code and latest "compiled" App; anyone who wished could modify and
install their own version; might be an area where Amateurs could contribute
something meaningful.

09) Competent single receiver (with RIT) but not necessarily (in Japanese
radio jargon) "Competition Grade".

10) Very competent transmit (with XIT): no splatter, no clicks, no noise.

11) Put it all inside a "big" box in the style of the best looking piece of
Ham Radio gear ever designed: the Collins 75A4.

12) Real "Collins" style knobs , real "bat handle" toggle switches.

13) Only a few radio functions need constant, easy access, tie those to the
big knobs and toggle switches.

14) Note the switches and controls would only tell a DSP or MCU to take some
action. I'm not talking multi-pole, multi-gang rotary switches.

15) Preassembled wire bundles to attach the front panel controls and
switches to the main unit (with quick disconnect to allow easy removal).

16) Add a 5-inch color touch screen display (like my Garmin GPS) in the
middle of the front panel with a nice size, high inertia tuning knob for
freq control.

17) Put the ancillary functions on the (multi-page) touch screen.

18) The touch screen pages should be tab accessible; with user definable
pages.

19) Embed this all inside the "75A4 Cabinet": nice size box, mostly air
inside but with room to add additional features (maybe even a decent
speaker).

20) This is not meant to be a DXpedition, mountaintop, contest box; just a
desktop system that you could turn on with a (toggle) switch, select your
band with a rotary switch, select your mode with a rotary switch, touch the
tab on the touch screen to verify your audio/keyer/data settings then kick
back and operate. Toggle switches for AGC On/Off, AGC Fast/Slow, Noise
Blanker On/Off, Noise Reduction On/Off, rotary controls for receive bandpass
width and shift, so on. Touch screen pages to set/adjust the characteristics
of the Noise Reduction, Noise Blanker, AGC, etc. Switched LCD meter to
provide S-meter, power, audio level, whatever.

OK, OK, OK.I know it can never happen:

1) No one would want one.

2) It would be too big.

3) It wouldn't be big enough.

4) Elecraft doesn't have the financial resources to develop such a device.

5) Purchase price would be too high.

6) Besides it would take engineering talent away from the development of the
K4, the 1500 watt solid state amp, the VHF to near-infrared transceiver, the
Elecraft EPad, etc.

But, it would be a really neat rig: very "Retro" look with a high tech
heart.

Mike W5FTD

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Mike Harris-9

Re: [OT] K2a

Interestingly, the first time I knowingly read "Competition Grade" with
respect to a receiver design was in the 1977 ARRL publication:

"Solid-State Design for the Radio Amateur" - Wes Hayward, W7ZOI.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

> 09) Competent single receiver (with RIT) but not necessarily (in Japanese
> radio jargon) "Competition Grade".
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EricJ-2

Re: [OT] [OT] [OT] K2a

In reply to this post by Michael Poteet

Ha ha. I've been collecting ideas and notes to make a work-alike retro
K1. It's a fun on-paper exercise, and an excuse to really dig into the
K1 to understand how it works. But I don't think I'd want to devote the
time required to accomplish it.

On the other hand, leave the K2 alone! hi. Like the K1, I'm not afraid
to dig into it. When something goes wrong, I have a reasonable
expectation of fixing it myself even if I have to ask for help here and
there. I don't hesitate to add mods such as AF output or IF output.
Being non-SDR, it is ALREADY retro enough!

I couldn't agree more on the styling of the 75A4. Nobody's going to
mistake it for a high end stereo receiver.

Eric
KE6US

On 4/11/2014 10:40 PM, Michael Poteet wrote:

> Having noticed the recent semiannual K4 speculation I wanted to offer
> speculation in a different direction.
>
>
>
> 11) Put it all inside a "big" box in the style of the best looking piece of
> Ham Radio gear ever designed: the Collins 75A4.
>
>
>
> 12) Real "Collins" style knobs , real "bat handle" toggle switches.
>
>
>
> 13) Only a few radio functions need constant, easy access, tie those to the
> big knobs and toggle switches.
>
>

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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: [OT] [OT] [OT] K2a

My K2 sentiments, too, Eric. Relatively easy to
work on and still a fine transceiver. I still
have several projects in mind for it, and with the
K3 as my main rig now I feel more free to take the
K2/100 off line for a longer period than before.

Basically, I'd like the K2 to stay a K2.

It will be interesting to hear your K1 ideas. Mine
pretty much sits in a drawer, fully outfitted with
options. It would like some attention :-)

73, Phil W7OX

On 4/12/14, 10:58 AM, EricJ wrote:

> Ha ha. I've been collecting ideas and notes to
> make a work-alike retro K1. It's a fun on-paper
> exercise, and an excuse to really dig into the
> K1 to understand how it works. But I don't think
> I'd want to devote the time required to
> accomplish it.
>
> On the other hand, leave the K2 alone! hi. Like
> the K1, I'm not afraid to dig into it. When
> something goes wrong, I have a reasonable
> expectation of fixing it myself even if I have
> to ask for help here and there. I don't hesitate
> to add mods such as AF output or IF output.
> Being non-SDR, it is ALREADY retro enough!
>
> I couldn't agree more on the styling of the
> 75A4. Nobody's going to mistake it for a high
> end stereo receiver.
>
> Eric
> KE6US
>
>
> On 4/11/2014 10:40 PM, Michael Poteet wrote:
>> Having noticed the recent semiannual K4
>> speculation I wanted to offer
>> speculation in a different direction.
>>
>>
>>
>> 11) Put it all inside a "big" box in the style
>> of the best looking piece of
>> Ham Radio gear ever designed: the Collins 75A4.
>>
>>
>> 12) Real "Collins" style knobs , real "bat
>> handle" toggle switches.
>>
>>
>> 13) Only a few radio functions need constant,
>> easy access, tie those to the
>> big knobs and toggle switches.
>>
>

Don Wilhelm-4

Re: [OT] [OT] [OT] K2a

Well, if you folks will wait for another decade or so, the K1, K2 and
KX1 will be "retro" too.
Not only that, I would expect most of them to still be working FB.
They will never be the size and weight on a 75A4!

73,
Don W3FPR
On 4/12/2014 2:35 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

> My K2 sentiments, too, Eric. Relatively easy to work on and still a
> fine transceiver. I still have several projects in mind for it, and
> with the K3 as my main rig now I feel more free to take the K2/100 off
> line for a longer period than before.
>
> Basically, I'd like the K2 to stay a K2.
>
> It will be interesting to hear your K1 ideas. Mine pretty much sits in
> a drawer, fully outfitted with options. It would like some attention :-)
>
> 73, Phil W7OX
>
> On 4/12/14, 10:58 AM, EricJ wrote:
>> Ha ha. I've been collecting ideas and notes to make a work-alike
>> retro K1. It's a fun on-paper exercise, and an excuse to really dig
>> into the K1 to understand how it works. But I don't think I'd want to
>> devote the time required to accomplish it.
>>
>> On the other hand, leave the K2 alone! hi. Like the K1, I'm not
>> afraid to dig into it. When something goes wrong, I have a reasonable
>> expectation of fixing it myself even if I have to ask for help here
>> and there. I don't hesitate to add mods such as AF output or IF
>> output. Being non-SDR, it is ALREADY retro enough!
>>

Doug Person-3

Re: [OT] [OT] [OT] K2a

In reply to this post by Michael Poteet

I would rather continue to speculate on a K4. The K2 is wonderful the
way it is. Last I heard Elecraft had a huge stockpile of parts for the
K2. So I would expect it to be around a few more years. What more could
you ask for in a portable rig than the KX3 has to offer?

/If/ there is ever going to be a K4, I would imagine it would go to the
top of the market. A 4" to 5" full color TFT display with waterfall and
full digital information. Built-in PSK, RTTY, CW and provisions for
just about any future technology - including digital voice. Perhaps a
portion of the firmware can be user updated. The user display for
example. Built-in remote operation capability standard. Built-in WiFi,
Ethernet and Bluetooth.

Considering how far technology has progressed since the K2 was designed,
the possibilities are mind-boggling.

Personally, I would love to see a K0. A very small, single-band
plug-able, digital-capable, lithium-polymer powered, micro-transceiver I
can put in my coat pocket.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/11/2014 11:40 PM, Michael Poteet wrote:

> Having noticed the recent semiannual K4 speculation I wanted to offer
> speculation in a different direction.
>
>
>
> The K2 was originally offered as a true kit that, upon completion, provided
> a radio capable of both home use and trail use.
>
>
>
> The trail/remote and home use capabilities have been supplanted by the other
> radios in the Elecraft stable.
>
>
>
> The only really unique feature of the K2 is that it is a true kit; that
> said, it is a bit behind the curve in tech plus it is a major PITB to
> "align".
>
>
>
> I would like to see Elecraft revisit the K2 (well, not exactly):
>
>
>
>
>
> 01) Keep it a kit as much as possible. So maybe RF and AF sections could be
> kits (at least partially).
>
>
>
> 02) Fully assembled as an option.
>
>
>
> 03) Make the "middle" a high performance SDR; factory assembled and aligned.
>
>
>
> 04) 6 KHz band pass filter in the first IF with the DSP doing the remaining
> filtering functions.
>
>
>
> 05) Include a 12 volt to (say) 60 volt conversion to power a "high voltage"
> RF section.
>
>
>
> 06) 100 watts output.
>
>
>
> 07) No FM but add 6 meters.
>
>
>
> 08) Include Digital Voice as a mode. Pick one of the Open Source
> implementations. Make it an "App"; Elecraft would maintain the latest
> source code and latest "compiled" App; anyone who wished could modify and
> install their own version; might be an area where Amateurs could contribute
> something meaningful.
>
>
>
> 09) Competent single receiver (with RIT) but not necessarily (in Japanese
> radio jargon) "Competition Grade".
>
>
>
> 10) Very competent transmit (with XIT): no splatter, no clicks, no noise.
>
>
>
> 11) Put it all inside a "big" box in the style of the best looking piece of
> Ham Radio gear ever designed: the Collins 75A4.
>
>
>
> 12) Real "Collins" style knobs , real "bat handle" toggle switches.
>
>
>
> 13) Only a few radio functions need constant, easy access, tie those to the
> big knobs and toggle switches.
>
>
>
> 14) Note the switches and controls would only tell a DSP or MCU to take some
> action. I'm not talking multi-pole, multi-gang rotary switches.
>
>
>
> 15) Preassembled wire bundles to attach the front panel controls and
> switches to the main unit (with quick disconnect to allow easy removal).
>
>
>
> 16) Add a 5-inch color touch screen display (like my Garmin GPS) in the
> middle of the front panel with a nice size, high inertia tuning knob for
> freq control.
>
>
>
> 17) Put the ancillary functions on the (multi-page) touch screen.
>
>
>
> 18) The touch screen pages should be tab accessible; with user definable
> pages.
>
>
>
> 19) Embed this all inside the "75A4 Cabinet": nice size box, mostly air
> inside but with room to add additional features (maybe even a decent
> speaker).
>
>
>
> 20) This is not meant to be a DXpedition, mountaintop, contest box; just a
> desktop system that you could turn on with a (toggle) switch, select your
> band with a rotary switch, select your mode with a rotary switch, touch the
> tab on the touch screen to verify your audio/keyer/data settings then kick
> back and operate. Toggle switches for AGC On/Off, AGC Fast/Slow, Noise
> Blanker On/Off, Noise Reduction On/Off, rotary controls for receive bandpass
> width and shift, so on. Touch screen pages to set/adjust the characteristics
> of the Noise Reduction, Noise Blanker, AGC, etc. Switched LCD meter to
> provide S-meter, power, audio level, whatever.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> OK, OK, OK.I know it can never happen:
>
>
>
> 1) No one would want one.
>
> 2) It would be too big.
>
> 3) It wouldn't be big enough.
>
> 4) Elecraft doesn't have the financial resources to develop such a device.
>
> 5) Purchase price would be too high.
>
> 6) Besides it would take engineering talent away from the development of the
> K4, the 1500 watt solid state amp, the VHF to near-infrared transceiver, the
> Elecraft EPad, etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> But, it would be a really neat rig: very "Retro" look with a high tech
> heart.
>
>
>
> Mike W5FTD
>
>
>
>
>
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Phil Wheeler-2

Re: [OT] [OT] [OT] K2a

Yes, technology does advance. In addition to
"Perhaps a portion of the firmware can be user
updated. The user display for example." -- Maybe
there will be a way to fine tune the user as well.
That seems to be the weak point of many rigs (at
least my rigs!) :-)

Phil W7OX

On 4/12/14, 4:15 PM, Doug Person wrote:

> I would rather continue to speculate on a K4.
> The K2 is wonderful the way it is. Last I heard
> Elecraft had a huge stockpile of parts for the
> K2. So I would expect it to be around a few
> more years. What more could you ask for in a
> portable rig than the KX3 has to offer?
>
> /If/ there is ever going to be a K4, I would
> imagine it would go to the top of the market. A
> 4" to 5" full color TFT display with waterfall
> and full digital information. Built-in PSK,
> RTTY, CW and provisions for just about any
> future technology - including digital voice.
> Perhaps a portion of the firmware can be user
> updated. The user display for example. Built-in
> remote operation capability standard. Built-in
> WiFi, Ethernet and Bluetooth.
>
> Considering how far technology has progressed
> since the K2 was designed, the possibilities are
> mind-boggling.
>
> Personally, I would love to see a K0. A very
> small, single-band plug-able, digital-capable,
> lithium-polymer powered, micro-transceiver I can
> put in my coat pocket.
>
> Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
>
> Doug -- K0DXV
>
> On 4/11/2014 11:40 PM, Michael Poteet wrote:
>> Having noticed the recent semiannual K4
>> speculation I wanted to offer
>> speculation in a different direction.
>>
>>
>> The K2 was originally offered as a true kit
>> that, upon completion, provided
>> a radio capable of both home use and trail use.
>>
>>
>> The trail/remote and home use capabilities have
>> been supplanted by the other
>> radios in the Elecraft stable.
>>
>>
>> The only really unique feature of the K2 is
>> that it is a true kit; that
>> said, it is a bit behind the curve in tech plus
>> it is a major PITB to
>> "align".
>>
>>
>> I would like to see Elecraft revisit the K2
>> (well, not exactly):
>>
>>
>>
>> 01) Keep it a kit as much as possible. So
>> maybe RF and AF sections could be
>> kits (at least partially).
>>
>>
>> 02) Fully assembled as an option.
>>
>>
>> 03) Make the "middle" a high performance SDR;
>> factory assembled and aligned.
>>
>>
>> 04) 6 KHz band pass filter in the first IF with
>> the DSP doing the remaining
>> filtering functions.
>>
>>
>> 05) Include a 12 volt to (say) 60 volt
>> conversion to power a "high voltage"
>> RF section.
>>
>>
>> 06) 100 watts output.
>>
>>
>> 07) No FM but add 6 meters.
>>
>>
>> 08) Include Digital Voice as a mode. Pick one
>> of the Open Source
>> implementations. Make it an "App"; Elecraft
>> would maintain the latest
>> source code and latest "compiled" App; anyone
>> who wished could modify and
>> install their own version; might be an area
>> where Amateurs could contribute
>> something meaningful.
>>
>>
>> 09) Competent single receiver (with RIT) but
>> not necessarily (in Japanese
>> radio jargon) "Competition Grade".
>>
>>
>> 10) Very competent transmit (with XIT): no
>> splatter, no clicks, no noise.
>>
>>
>> 11) Put it all inside a "big" box in the style
>> of the best looking piece of
>> Ham Radio gear ever designed: the Collins 75A4.
>>
>>
>> 12) Real "Collins" style knobs , real "bat
>> handle" toggle switches.
>>
>>
>> 13) Only a few radio functions need constant,
>> easy access, tie those to the
>> big knobs and toggle switches.
>>
>>
>> 14) Note the switches and controls would only
>> tell a DSP or MCU to take some
>> action. I'm not talking multi-pole, multi-gang
>> rotary switches.
>>
>>
>> 15) Preassembled wire bundles to attach the
>> front panel controls and
>> switches to the main unit (with quick
>> disconnect to allow easy removal).
>>
>>
>> 16) Add a 5-inch color touch screen display
>> (like my Garmin GPS) in the
>> middle of the front panel with a nice size,
>> high inertia tuning knob for
>> freq control.
>>
>>
>> 17) Put the ancillary functions on the
>> (multi-page) touch screen.
>>
>>
>> 18) The touch screen pages should be tab
>> accessible; with user definable
>> pages.
>>
>>
>> 19) Embed this all inside the "75A4 Cabinet":
>> nice size box, mostly air
>> inside but with room to add additional features
>> (maybe even a decent
>> speaker).
>>
>>
>> 20) This is not meant to be a DXpedition,
>> mountaintop, contest box; just a
>> desktop system that you could turn on with a
>> (toggle) switch, select your
>> band with a rotary switch, select your mode
>> with a rotary switch, touch the
>> tab on the touch screen to verify your
>> audio/keyer/data settings then kick
>> back and operate. Toggle switches for AGC
>> On/Off, AGC Fast/Slow, Noise
>> Blanker On/Off, Noise Reduction On/Off, rotary
>> controls for receive bandpass
>> width and shift, so on. Touch screen pages to
>> set/adjust the characteristics
>> of the Noise Reduction, Noise Blanker, AGC,
>> etc. Switched LCD meter to
>> provide S-meter, power, audio level, whatever.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, OK, OK.I know it can never happen:
>>
>>
>> 1) No one would want one.
>>
>> 2) It would be too big.
>>
>> 3) It wouldn't be big enough.
>>
>> 4) Elecraft doesn't have the financial
>> resources to develop such a device.
>>
>> 5) Purchase price would be too high.
>>
>> 6) Besides it would take engineering talent
>> away from the development of the
>> K4, the 1500 watt solid state amp, the VHF to
>> near-infrared transceiver, the
>> Elecraft EPad, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> But, it would be a really neat rig: very
>> "Retro" look with a high tech
>> heart.
>>
>>
>> Mike W5FTD
>>
>>
>>
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Don Wilhelm-4

Re: [OT] [OT] [OT] K2a

With any transceiver, there is always the problem of the ham behind the
VFO knob. If you can solve that, it would be of great benefit to the
entire ham community.

An advanced transceiver will be more and more complex. but hopefully as
technologies advance, the manufacturers will provide default menu items
that will produce a workable transceiver.
The Elecraft K3 default menus do provide a quite workable transceiver
(although the kit version does need to be calibrated). Many users will
want to optimize the menu settings for their particular operating
desires and environment, but a factory built K3 will work FB "out of the
box".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 4/12/2014 8:52 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
> Yes, technology does advance. In addition to "Perhaps a portion of the
> firmware can be user updated. The user display for example." -- Maybe
> there will be a way to fine tune the user as well. That seems to be
> the weak point of many rigs (at least my rigs!) :-)
>

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Re: [OT] [OT] [OT] K2a

In reply to this post by EricJ-2

Just the mention of the 75A4 brings a nostalgic tingle. I was too young
at that time to even dream of owning one, but I did get to turn that big
knob and listen on occasion. I feel sorry for those new hams who will
never have the chance to know how special that radio was - and still is.
...robert

On 4/12/2014 17:58, EricJ wrote:

> Ha ha. I've been collecting ideas and notes to make a work-alike retro
> K1. It's a fun on-paper exercise, and an excuse to really dig into the
> K1 to understand how it works. But I don't think I'd want to devote the
> time required to accomplish it.
>
> On the other hand, leave the K2 alone! hi. Like the K1, I'm not afraid
> to dig into it. When something goes wrong, I have a reasonable
> expectation of fixing it myself even if I have to ask for help here and
> there. I don't hesitate to add mods such as AF output or IF output.
> Being non-SDR, it is ALREADY retro enough!
>
> I couldn't agree more on the styling of the 75A4. Nobody's going to
> mistake it for a high end stereo receiver.
>
> Eric
> KE6US
>
>
> On 4/11/2014 10:40 PM, Michael Poteet wrote:
>> Having noticed the recent semiannual K4 speculation I wanted to offer
>> speculation in a different direction.
>>
>>
>>
>> 11) Put it all inside a "big" box in the style of the best looking
>> piece of
>> Ham Radio gear ever designed: the Collins 75A4.
>>
>>
>> 12) Real "Collins" style knobs , real "bat handle" toggle switches.
>>
>>
>> 13) Only a few radio functions need constant, easy access, tie those
>> to the
>> big knobs and toggle switches.
>>
>
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Re: [OT] [OT] [OT] K2a

In reply to this post by Don Wilhelm-4

I tend to think that a big, color display would provide a great deal
more information including the state of all important controls. I do
believe that the K3 is a complex rig as it is. Everything has been done
to make its complexity as manageable as possible - but the size and
nature of the display is limiting. This is not negative criticism. The
design is superb.

As I daydream of a K4, I don't think it's an issue of performance so
much as enhanced usability. It would not take much to add a keyboard
input and a bigger display to add terminal-like capabilities for digital
modes. Integration of the P3 is hardly out of the question. Given a
much larger display, an evolved K3 could actually be made much simpler
to operate.

I think Elecraft has spurred the Big Three to rethink their designs.
Elecraft has reset the standards and forced the bar to be raised
substantially. There is a substantial push to color displays that
graphically relate the state of most settings. The concept works well.

The state of the art is never static. The K3 and KX3 (and even the K2)
are at the top of the list for performance. But the state of the art
for the user interface is being advanced rapidly by the Big Three.

So, I would speculate that in comparison, the K3 is becoming dated in
its market appeal. The Big Three have proven that when they try - they
can come close the K-line performance class. And now, clearly, they see
the user interface as the defining difference.

Having worked for 2 decades as a Usability Engineer for Big Blue,
product appeal is /greatly/ influencing in a person's initial impression
of a product. Our design goals where to design user interfaces so well
that a manual was unnecessary.

I think the potential K4 could dominate not only the performance
category, but also match or exceed the best transceiver interfaces
available. It really wouldn't hard with current technology.

Maybe, with inflation, this my 4 cents worth...

73, Doug -- K0DXV
(Senior Usability Engineer - IBM Usability Engineering National Practice
(Retired))

On 4/12/2014 7:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> With any transceiver, there is always the problem of the ham behind
> the VFO knob. If you can solve that, it would be of great benefit to
> the entire ham community.
>
> An advanced transceiver will be more and more complex. but hopefully
> as technologies advance, the manufacturers will provide default menu
> items that will produce a workable transceiver.
> The Elecraft K3 default menus do provide a quite workable transceiver
> (although the kit version does need to be calibrated). Many users will
> want to optimize the menu settings for their particular operating
> desires and environment, but a factory built K3 will work FB "out of
> the box".
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 4/12/2014 8:52 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
>> Yes, technology does advance. In addition to "Perhaps a portion of
>> the firmware can be user updated. The user display for example." --
>> Maybe there will be a way to fine tune the user as well. That seems
>> to be the weak point of many rigs (at least my rigs!) :-)
>>
>
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Re: [OT] [OT] [OT] K2a

In reply to this post by Michael Poteet

I am still adding to my K2...but just dreaming...I would like to see a
center detent on the RIT, a kx3 like display, except green, with both A/B
VFOs displayed. A separate digital in/out like the K3, an updated DAC with
finer resolution... And DSP controls like K3/KX3. I know get a KX3...not
yet. Ok I would really dig a P2. Maybe one that also folds up and rests on
top of the radio and when closed acts as a front panel cover. Or maybe one
that slides out from under the radio, has touch screen keyboard, digital
decode, and pan adapter. or folds out 4 ways like an SLR screen.

I still use my loaded K1 often, but always wanted a 20 turn VFO with a
lock. I can't believe someone hasn't made And 80 or 40 thru 12m on one
band board.

KX1...like as is it but sometimes miss having 17-12m.

Rob

KA5QQA

On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Michael Poteet <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Having noticed the recent semiannual K4 speculation I wanted to offer
> speculation in a different direction.
>
>
>
> The K2 was originally offered as a true kit that, upon completion, provided
> a radio capable of both home use and trail use.
>
>
>
> The trail/remote and home use capabilities have been supplanted by the
> other
> radios in the Elecraft stable.
>
>
>
> The only really unique feature of the K2 is that it is a true kit; that
> said, it is a bit behind the curve in tech plus it is a major PITB to
> "align".
>
>
>
> I would like to see Elecraft revisit the K2 (well, not exactly):
>
>
>
>
>
> 01) Keep it a kit as much as possible. So maybe RF and AF sections could
> be
> kits (at least partially).
>
>
>
> 02) Fully assembled as an option.
>
>
>
> 03) Make the "middle" a high performance SDR; factory assembled and
> aligned.
>
>
>
> 04) 6 KHz band pass filter in the first IF with the DSP doing the remaining
> filtering functions.
>
>
>
> 05) Include a 12 volt to (say) 60 volt conversion to power a "high voltage"
> RF section.
>
>
>
> 06) 100 watts output.
>
>
>
> 07) No FM but add 6 meters.
>
>
>
> 08) Include Digital Voice as a mode. Pick one of the Open Source
> implementations. Make it an "App"; Elecraft would maintain the latest
> source code and latest "compiled" App; anyone who wished could modify and
> install their own version; might be an area where Amateurs could contribute
> something meaningful.
>
>
>
> 09) Competent single receiver (with RIT) but not necessarily (in Japanese
> radio jargon) "Competition Grade".
>
>
>
> 10) Very competent transmit (with XIT): no splatter, no clicks, no noise.
>
>
>
> 11) Put it all inside a "big" box in the style of the best looking piece of
> Ham Radio gear ever designed: the Collins 75A4.
>
>
>
> 12) Real "Collins" style knobs , real "bat handle" toggle switches.
>
>
>
> 13) Only a few radio functions need constant, easy access, tie those to the
> big knobs and toggle switches.
>
>
>
> 14) Note the switches and controls would only tell a DSP or MCU to take
> some
> action. I'm not talking multi-pole, multi-gang rotary switches.
>
>
>
> 15) Preassembled wire bundles to attach the front panel controls and
> switches to the main unit (with quick disconnect to allow easy removal).
>
>
>
> 16) Add a 5-inch color touch screen display (like my Garmin GPS) in the
> middle of the front panel with a nice size, high inertia tuning knob for
> freq control.
>
>
>
> 17) Put the ancillary functions on the (multi-page) touch screen.
>
>
>
> 18) The touch screen pages should be tab accessible; with user definable
> pages.
>
>
>
> 19) Embed this all inside the "75A4 Cabinet": nice size box, mostly air
> inside but with room to add additional features (maybe even a decent
> speaker).
>
>
>
> 20) This is not meant to be a DXpedition, mountaintop, contest box; just a
> desktop system that you could turn on with a (toggle) switch, select your
> band with a rotary switch, select your mode with a rotary switch, touch the
> tab on the touch screen to verify your audio/keyer/data settings then kick
> back and operate. Toggle switches for AGC On/Off, AGC Fast/Slow, Noise
> Blanker On/Off, Noise Reduction On/Off, rotary controls for receive
> bandpass
> width and shift, so on. Touch screen pages to set/adjust the
> characteristics
> of the Noise Reduction, Noise Blanker, AGC, etc. Switched LCD meter to
> provide S-meter, power, audio level, whatever.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> OK, OK, OK.I know it can never happen:
>
>
>
> 1) No one would want one.
>
> 2) It would be too big.
>
> 3) It wouldn't be big enough.
>
> 4) Elecraft doesn't have the financial resources to develop such a device.
>
> 5) Purchase price would be too high.
>
> 6) Besides it would take engineering talent away from the development of
> the
> K4, the 1500 watt solid state amp, the VHF to near-infrared transceiver,
> the
> Elecraft EPad, etc.
>
>
>
>
>
> But, it would be a really neat rig: very "Retro" look with a high tech
> heart.
>
>
>
> Mike W5FTD
>
>
>
>
>
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EricJ-2

Re: [OT] [OT] [OT] K2a

Obviously a lot of thought has been put into evolving the Elecraft
lineup. I have everything up to but not including the K3. The K1 is my
favorite for some reason. I like how it sounds on CW. I like the
relative simplicity and size. The KX1 is a very different radio and very
specialized for a smaller niche. I never liked how it tunes, having to
continually twist and poke the tiny tuning knob which feels a little
wobbly while you're doing all that. I liked the K2 so much I bought two
of them. hi. The KX3 doesn't attract me much because if I'm having fun
camping or hiking, a radio is kind of a distraction to me. The K1 more
than fills the need for a portable radio for the few times I pack it.
The KX3 is obviously a very popular choice for many others. But a K3/10
is in my near future for the home shack. Definitely something in their
line up for every interest.

Elecraft rigs are the only commercial rigs I have anymore, and when I
drop into HRO and spin the dial on the other offerings, I can't even
pretend interest. They all feel gaudy and gimmicky. All show and no go
as we used to say about custom cars.

Eric
KE6US

On 4/12/2014 10:04 PM, Robin Bayer wrote:

> I am still adding to my K2...but just dreaming...I would like to see a
> center detent on the RIT, a kx3 like display, except green, with both A/B
> VFOs displayed. A separate digital in/out like the K3, an updated DAC with
> finer resolution... And DSP controls like K3/KX3. I know get a KX3...not
> yet. Ok I would really dig a P2. Maybe one that also folds up and rests on
> top of the radio and when closed acts as a front panel cover. Or maybe one
> that slides out from under the radio, has touch screen keyboard, digital
> decode, and pan adapter. or folds out 4 ways like an SLR screen.
>
> I still use my loaded K1 often, but always wanted a 20 turn VFO with a
> lock. I can't believe someone hasn't made And 80 or 40 thru 12m on one
> band board.
>
> KX1...like as is it but sometimes miss having 17-12m.
>
>
> Rob
>
> KA5QQA
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Michael Poteet <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Having noticed the recent semiannual K4 speculation I wanted to offer
>> speculation in a different direction.
>>
>>
>>
>> The K2 was originally offered as a true kit that, upon completion, provided
>> a radio capable of both home use and trail use.
>>
>>
>>
>> The trail/remote and home use capabilities have been supplanted by the
>> other
>> radios in the Elecraft stable.
>>
>>
>>
>> The only really unique feature of the K2 is that it is a true kit; that
>> said, it is a bit behind the curve in tech plus it is a major PITB to
>> "align".
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to see Elecraft revisit the K2 (well, not exactly):
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 01) Keep it a kit as much as possible. So maybe RF and AF sections could
>> be
>> kits (at least partially).
>>
>>
>>
>> 02) Fully assembled as an option.
>>
>>
>>
>> 03) Make the "middle" a high performance SDR; factory assembled and
>> aligned.
>>
>>
>>
>> 04) 6 KHz band pass filter in the first IF with the DSP doing the remaining
>> filtering functions.
>>
>>
>>
>> 05) Include a 12 volt to (say) 60 volt conversion to power a "high voltage"
>> RF section.
>>
>>
>>
>> 06) 100 watts output.
>>
>>
>>
>> 07) No FM but add 6 meters.
>>
>>
>>
>> 08) Include Digital Voice as a mode. Pick one of the Open Source
>> implementations. Make it an "App"; Elecraft would maintain the latest
>> source code and latest "compiled" App; anyone who wished could modify and
>> install their own version; might be an area where Amateurs could contribute
>> something meaningful.
>>
>>
>>
>> 09) Competent single receiver (with RIT) but not necessarily (in Japanese
>> radio jargon) "Competition Grade".
>>
>>
>>
>> 10) Very competent transmit (with XIT): no splatter, no clicks, no noise.
>>
>>
>>
>> 11) Put it all inside a "big" box in the style of the best looking piece of
>> Ham Radio gear ever designed: the Collins 75A4.
>>
>>
>>
>> 12) Real "Collins" style knobs , real "bat handle" toggle switches.
>>
>>
>>
>> 13) Only a few radio functions need constant, easy access, tie those to the
>> big knobs and toggle switches.
>>
>>
>>
>> 14) Note the switches and controls would only tell a DSP or MCU to take
>> some
>> action. I'm not talking multi-pole, multi-gang rotary switches.
>>
>>
>>
>> 15) Preassembled wire bundles to attach the front panel controls and
>> switches to the main unit (with quick disconnect to allow easy removal).
>>
>>
>>
>> 16) Add a 5-inch color touch screen display (like my Garmin GPS) in the
>> middle of the front panel with a nice size, high inertia tuning knob for
>> freq control.
>>
>>
>>
>> 17) Put the ancillary functions on the (multi-page) touch screen.
>>
>>
>>
>> 18) The touch screen pages should be tab accessible; with user definable
>> pages.
>>
>>
>>
>> 19) Embed this all inside the "75A4 Cabinet": nice size box, mostly air
>> inside but with room to add additional features (maybe even a decent
>> speaker).
>>
>>
>>
>> 20) This is not meant to be a DXpedition, mountaintop, contest box; just a
>> desktop system that you could turn on with a (toggle) switch, select your
>> band with a rotary switch, select your mode with a rotary switch, touch the
>> tab on the touch screen to verify your audio/keyer/data settings then kick
>> back and operate. Toggle switches for AGC On/Off, AGC Fast/Slow, Noise
>> Blanker On/Off, Noise Reduction On/Off, rotary controls for receive
>> bandpass
>> width and shift, so on. Touch screen pages to set/adjust the
>> characteristics
>> of the Noise Reduction, Noise Blanker, AGC, etc. Switched LCD meter to
>> provide S-meter, power, audio level, whatever.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, OK, OK.I know it can never happen:
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) No one would want one.
>>
>> 2) It would be too big.
>>
>> 3) It wouldn't be big enough.
>>
>> 4) Elecraft doesn't have the financial resources to develop such a device.
>>
>> 5) Purchase price would be too high.
>>
>> 6) Besides it would take engineering talent away from the development of
>> the
>> K4, the 1500 watt solid state amp, the VHF to near-infrared transceiver,
>> the
>> Elecraft EPad, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> But, it would be a really neat rig: very "Retro" look with a high tech
>> heart.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike W5FTD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Doug Person-3

Re: [OT] [OT] [OT] K2a

Yes. I can understand your feelings for the K1. It's the coolest cw
transceiver you can own. Not too small - not too big. Seems like there
is nothing I can't work with it. If I can hear - I can work it. Mine
has 80, 40, 20 and 17 and the tuner. A 120' doublet feed with 300 ohm
twin-lead and I'm set. The tuner can tune it to any of the bands.

I bought one when it first came out. After a while I sold it. A few
years later it dawned on me how perfect it was. So I built another and
love it.

Same with the K2. I built #1920. Hand it for a few years and good a
great offer and sold it. A year later I built another one. I liked it
but didn't quite love it enough. Sold it too. A few years later I
realized I just wanted another K2. Built my third one like a work of
art. Now then can place it in the coffin with me when I go. I'll never
part with.

I must be a little thick because it seems to take a while for me to
realize how irreplaceable the K1 and K2 are.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 4/12/2014 11:52 PM, EricJ wrote:

> Obviously a lot of thought has been put into evolving the Elecraft
> lineup. I have everything up to but not including the K3. The K1 is my
> favorite for some reason. I like how it sounds on CW. I like the
> relative simplicity and size. The KX1 is a very different radio and
> very specialized for a smaller niche. I never liked how it tunes,
> having to continually twist and poke the tiny tuning knob which feels
> a little wobbly while you're doing all that. I liked the K2 so much I
> bought two of them. hi. The KX3 doesn't attract me much because if I'm
> having fun camping or hiking, a radio is kind of a distraction to me.
> The K1 more than fills the need for a portable radio for the few times
> I pack it. The KX3 is obviously a very popular choice for many others.
> But a K3/10 is in my near future for the home shack. Definitely
> something in their line up for every interest.
>
> Elecraft rigs are the only commercial rigs I have anymore, and when I
> drop into HRO and spin the dial on the other offerings, I can't even
> pretend interest. They all feel gaudy and gimmicky. All show and no go
> as we used to say about custom cars.
>
> Eric
> KE6US
>
> On 4/12/2014 10:04 PM, Robin Bayer wrote:
>> I am still adding to my K2...but just dreaming...I would like to see a
>> center detent on the RIT, a kx3 like display, except green, with both
>> A/B
>> VFOs displayed. A separate digital in/out like the K3, an updated DAC
>> with
>> finer resolution... And DSP controls like K3/KX3. I know get a KX3...not
>> yet. Ok I would really dig a P2. Maybe one that also folds up and
>> rests on
>> top of the radio and when closed acts as a front panel cover. Or
>> maybe one
>> that slides out from under the radio, has touch screen keyboard, digital
>> decode, and pan adapter. or folds out 4 ways like an SLR screen.
>>
>> I still use my loaded K1 often, but always wanted a 20 turn VFO with a
>> lock. I can't believe someone hasn't made And 80 or 40 thru 12m on one
>> band board.
>>
>> KX1...like as is it but sometimes miss having 17-12m.
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> KA5QQA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 12, 2014 at 12:40 AM, Michael Poteet <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Having noticed the recent semiannual K4 speculation I wanted to offer
>>> speculation in a different direction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The K2 was originally offered as a true kit that, upon completion,
>>> provided
>>> a radio capable of both home use and trail use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The trail/remote and home use capabilities have been supplanted by the
>>> other
>>> radios in the Elecraft stable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The only really unique feature of the K2 is that it is a true kit; that
>>> said, it is a bit behind the curve in tech plus it is a major PITB to
>>> "align".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to see Elecraft revisit the K2 (well, not exactly):
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 01) Keep it a kit as much as possible. So maybe RF and AF sections
>>> could
>>> be
>>> kits (at least partially).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 02) Fully assembled as an option.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 03) Make the "middle" a high performance SDR; factory assembled and
>>> aligned.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 04) 6 KHz band pass filter in the first IF with the DSP doing the
>>> remaining
>>> filtering functions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 05) Include a 12 volt to (say) 60 volt conversion to power a "high
>>> voltage"
>>> RF section.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 06) 100 watts output.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 07) No FM but add 6 meters.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 08) Include Digital Voice as a mode. Pick one of the Open Source
>>> implementations. Make it an "App"; Elecraft would maintain the latest
>>> source code and latest "compiled" App; anyone who wished could
>>> modify and
>>> install their own version; might be an area where Amateurs could
>>> contribute
>>> something meaningful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 09) Competent single receiver (with RIT) but not necessarily (in
>>> Japanese
>>> radio jargon) "Competition Grade".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 10) Very competent transmit (with XIT): no splatter, no clicks, no
>>> noise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 11) Put it all inside a "big" box in the style of the best looking
>>> piece of
>>> Ham Radio gear ever designed: the Collins 75A4.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 12) Real "Collins" style knobs , real "bat handle" toggle switches.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 13) Only a few radio functions need constant, easy access, tie those
>>> to the
>>> big knobs and toggle switches.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 14) Note the switches and controls would only tell a DSP or MCU to take
>>> some
>>> action. I'm not talking multi-pole, multi-gang rotary switches.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 15) Preassembled wire bundles to attach the front panel controls and
>>> switches to the main unit (with quick disconnect to allow easy
>>> removal).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 16) Add a 5-inch color touch screen display (like my Garmin GPS) in the
>>> middle of the front panel with a nice size, high inertia tuning knob
>>> for
>>> freq control.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 17) Put the ancillary functions on the (multi-page) touch screen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 18) The touch screen pages should be tab accessible; with user
>>> definable
>>> pages.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 19) Embed this all inside the "75A4 Cabinet": nice size box, mostly air
>>> inside but with room to add additional features (maybe even a decent
>>> speaker).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 20) This is not meant to be a DXpedition, mountaintop, contest box;
>>> just a
>>> desktop system that you could turn on with a (toggle) switch, select
>>> your
>>> band with a rotary switch, select your mode with a rotary switch,
>>> touch the
>>> tab on the touch screen to verify your audio/keyer/data settings
>>> then kick
>>> back and operate. Toggle switches for AGC On/Off, AGC Fast/Slow, Noise
>>> Blanker On/Off, Noise Reduction On/Off, rotary controls for receive
>>> bandpass
>>> width and shift, so on. Touch screen pages to set/adjust the
>>> characteristics
>>> of the Noise Reduction, Noise Blanker, AGC, etc. Switched LCD meter to
>>> provide S-meter, power, audio level, whatever.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, OK, OK.I know it can never happen:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) No one would want one.
>>>
>>> 2) It would be too big.
>>>
>>> 3) It wouldn't be big enough.
>>>
>>> 4) Elecraft doesn't have the financial resources to develop such a
>>> device.
>>>
>>> 5) Purchase price would be too high.
>>>
>>> 6) Besides it would take engineering talent away from the
>>> development of
>>> the
>>> K4, the 1500 watt solid state amp, the VHF to near-infrared
>>> transceiver,
>>> the
>>> Elecraft EPad, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But, it would be a really neat rig: very "Retro" look with a high tech
>>> heart.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike W5FTD
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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