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OT: Relays for antenna switching

Solosko, Robert B (Bob)
Hello All,

        I planning to put up a 20m switchable vertical yagi made up of 4
vertical elements, with a relay control box to switch the elements to be
either the driven element or the reflector elements. Preferable the
relays should be DPDT, although I can use SPDT relays if they're cheap
enough.

- What relays should I use (any specific recommendations?) , or what
characteristics should I look for in relays. The relay control box will
be mounted on the antenna, so it has to operate over a very wide range
of temperatures (below 0 to over 100 degrees), and be controlled via
12VDC.

- What should the relay contact rating be to use with my K2 at 100
watts?

- Will there be a significant amount of loss if I use power relays for
RF applications (which seem to be the only ones in the catalogs that
probably have a sufficient contact rating)?

- Are the relays used in the KAT100 appropriate for "external" use (they
would be in mounted a sealed box)... and does anyone know what the
KAT100 relays are? (I expect the Elecraft would prefer that I order them
from some othe rsource so that they're not a parts supplier for
non-Elecraft projects).

Thanks.

Bob W1SRB


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RE: OT: Relays for antenna switching

Craig Smith
Bob ...

I recently built an outside switching box for another antenna project.  Not
switched verticals like you will have, but a way of switching a multiband
doublet from doublet to tophat vertical operation.  Also at 100W power
level, so I'm guessing that the possible maximum voltage and currents in my
application will be, if anything, greater than yours.

I used a Potter Brumfield DPDT relay.  Rated at 20A current.  It has worked
great.  12V coil.  Mouser PN is 655-KUHP-11DT1-12.  One reason I picked it
is the mechanical package.  It has a built-in mounting flange that you can
simply screw to your chassis or to the inside of your enclosure.  Then all
the contact terminals are exposed and accessible for soldering.  If I were
doing your project I would use this one again.  About $14 in small
quantities.

                73
                             ... Craig  AC0DS




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RE: OT: Relays for antenna switching

alsopb
RF relays that are to be outside especially should have dual contacts.

The problem you're trying to avoid is corrosion that the transmitter has no trouble punching through but the puny RX signal sees as high resistance.  Result 30 db or more loss of signal but with a good xmit SWR.

So used DPDT relays when you really need SPDT relays and 4PDT when you need DPDT relays.
Parallel contacts to avoid above.

Some commercial antenna switches have bifurcated contacts (two contacts for each arm) to avoid this.

Also one more point the 60HZ or DC current rating does not apply to RF.  At RF contacts have much less current handling capacity.

73 de Brian/K3KO

Craig D. Smith wrote
Bob ...

I recently built an outside switching box for another antenna project.  Not
switched verticals like you will have, but a way of switching a multiband
doublet from doublet to tophat vertical operation.  Also at 100W power
level, so I'm guessing that the possible maximum voltage and currents in my
application will be, if anything, greater than yours.

I used a Potter Brumfield DPDT relay.  Rated at 20A current.  It has worked
great.  12V coil.  Mouser PN is 655-KUHP-11DT1-12.  One reason I picked it
is the mechanical package.  It has a built-in mounting flange that you can
simply screw to your chassis or to the inside of your enclosure.  Then all
the contact terminals are exposed and accessible for soldering.  If I were
doing your project I would use this one again.  About $14 in small
quantities.

                73
                             ... Craig  AC0DS




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RE: OT: Relays for antenna switching

Solosko, Robert B (Bob)
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 Thank you to everyone who replied - I received much very good advice
about how to determine the relay characteristics that I need, how to
mount the relays and specific relay recommendations.

Thanks again and 73,

Bob W1SRB

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Hello All,

        I planning to put up a 20m switchable vertical yagi made up of 4
vertical elements, with a relay control box to switch the elements to be
either the driven element or the reflector elements. Preferable the
relays should be DPDT, although I can use SPDT relays if they're cheap
enough.

- What relays should I use (any specific recommendations?) , or what
characteristics should I look for in relays. The relay control box will
be mounted on the antenna, so it has to operate over a very wide range
of temperatures (below 0 to over 100 degrees), and be controlled via
12VDC.

- What should the relay contact rating be to use with my K2 at 100
watts?

- Will there be a significant amount of loss if I use power relays for
RF applications (which seem to be the only ones in the catalogs that
probably have a sufficient contact rating)?

- Are the relays used in the KAT100 appropriate for "external" use (they
would be in mounted a sealed box)... and does anyone know what the
KAT100 relays are? (I expect the Elecraft would prefer that I order them
from some othe rsource so that they're not a parts supplier for
non-Elecraft projects).

Thanks.

Bob W1SRB


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