OT: US call areas
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Phil Kane wrote:
> What is prohibited is adding a "/" > followed by a combination of letters or numbers representing > the prefix of a foreign country's ham licenses if the ham is in > US territory. > So all VHF/UHF repeaters that identify "W6XXX/R," and there are a lot of them, are in violation of the rule since "RAA-RZZ" is assigned to Russia? In the "olden days" you were *required* to put /# following your call if you were operating outside the call area in which your license was issued. But, you could also hold more than one call too. I've been K6DGW since I upgraded my novice to general in 1954, but I was also KL7ETK when in the military in Alaska, and WA5SNP when assigned to NASA in Houston. As I remember, you were also required to notify the FCC in writing anytime you planned to operate from anywhere other than your station license address. Don't know when that went away, but I'm glad it did :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08 - www.cqp.org _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Doug Faunt N6TQS +1-510-655-8604
> I've got to say, back in the olddays, there were always hams who > complained BECAUSE they were required to change their callsigns if they > moved, so I think the complaint level is similar. > > 73, doug ============================================== Not only did we have to change our callsigns if we moved, we had to show our call area when portable and notify the engineer in charge in the area we operated portable prior to going on the air. And we had to monitor CONALRAD in case WW3 broke out during the QSO. And log all on the air activity to justify renewal of our licences. This was in the late 50's. 73 Rick Dettinger K7MW _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Julian, G4ILO
In a message dated 11/26/07 2:29:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes: > I suspect that when the original call sign issuing system > was created, the US population was a lot less mobile > than today. From what I've read about the 20's and 30's, > it was common for people to have lived their entire > lives within one state. In those days it was common for people to live their entire lives within one *town*. But that had nothing to do with the call sign system. That probably helped condition the > > idea of call sign goes with location. > Nope. The original licensing concept in the USA was that there were "station" licenses and "operator" licenses - and the callsign denotes a station, not an operator. A licensed station had to be operated by a licensed operator. This idea was most useful in radio services like maritime radio. A ship or shore station would be assigned a callsign, which would not change even though many different licensed radio operators would operate the station. And the callsign could indicate things about the station. The idea was adapted to amateur radio, but over the years it has gradually been de-emphasized. Once upon a time, it was possible to have an amateur operator license but no station license, or to have several station licenses. It was even possible to have more than one operator license. Amateur callsigns were assigned to stations, not operators, and were originally only assigned to fixed stations. (Mobile and portable operation were not originally allowed to US hams). Callsigns were originally issued by the district offices, not the central Hq. of FCC and its predecessors. Before WW2, there were only 9 districts, all CONUS hams had calls beginning with W, and all hams in the possessions and territories had calls beginning with K. Some states were split into two call areas (NY, PA, NJ to name just three) After WW2 the district borders were shuffled, 0 calls were added and split states were eliminated. Possessions got distinctive prefixes and CONUS stations could begin with K. We went through periods when all calls were sequentially issued, when Novices and repeaters had distinctive calls, when mobile operation required a special license, and much more. What we have today is a remnant of those old systems. Each rule had its good and bad features. ---- One of the biggest problems with the old gotta-change-when-you-move system was that hams who moved a lot went through a lot of callsigns - and QSL cards. Hams could run across old friends on the air and not realize it because they'd changed calls when they moved. Also, as the number of hams grew, getting a corresponding callsign in the new district could be impossible. Now we have a choice. A good thing IMHO. 73 de Jim, N2EY ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by Carl Clawson
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:59:13 -0800, Carl Clawson wrote:
> The old practice of signing with your current call district as in > K0ABC/7 is is still often used. My knowledge of international > call signe assignments is not sufficient for me to assure you > beyond doubt that it complies with the letter of the law (groan!) > but in practice I don't think they'll be busting anyone for it. I OTOH can assure you that adding "/#" does not violate the applicable FCC Rule because on an international basis single numerals are not the prefix of any country nor are they assignable as such in the foreseeable future, in contrast with the two-alpha US/Canada state/province abbreviations which are in violation. That area of the law is "my business". -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:23:02 EST, [hidden email] wrote:
> Possessions got distinctive prefixes and CONUS stations > could begin with K. Up until 1952 the "K" stations were Military Recreation Club stations. Then the FCC claimed that it was running out of "W" calls for civilian hams and they started issuing "K" calls - as I well know. My High School buddies were getting the last of the "W2"s but the FCC issued one of the earliest "K2"s to me. I was mad...but I got even. I worked for the agency for 28 years! -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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In reply to this post by k6dgw
On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:11:18 -0800, Fred Jensen wrote:
>So all VHF/UHF repeaters that identify "W6XXX/R," and there are >a lot of them, are in violation of the rule since "RAA-RZZ" is >assigned to Russia? This has been kicking around for quite a while. At one time FCC Rules required adding "/R" or "/RPT" to a repeater call after it stopped issuing "WR" for repeater stations. The "out"is that "R" alone is not the way that Russia assigns call signs - they use "R" followed by an alpha. It's a "don't ask, don't tell" situation. I do advise my ham clients to use "/RPT" to be safe. -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Actually Russian Antarctic stations us a R1 prefix, as do Franz Josef
Land and Malyj Vysotskij. I think some contest stations in Russia itself also use the R without a second alpha character. I doubt that anyone would mistake a /M mobile station as being in the UK or a /B beacon in China. The normal convention for operation in another country has that country's prefix preceding rather than following the station's call sign, although that isn't followed 100 percent. 73, Bob N7XY On Nov 27, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:11:18 -0800, Fred Jensen wrote: > >> So all VHF/UHF repeaters that identify "W6XXX/R," and there are >> a lot of them, are in violation of the rule since "RAA-RZZ" is >> assigned to Russia? > > This has been kicking around for quite a while. At one time > FCC Rules required adding "/R" or "/RPT" to a repeater call > after it stopped issuing "WR" for repeater stations. The > "out"is that "R" alone is not the way that Russia assigns call > signs - they use "R" followed by an alpha. It's a "don't ask, > don't tell" situation. I do advise my ham clients to use > "/RPT" to be safe. > > -- > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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Yes, I worked a lot of those last weekend. This is much more logical, not that logic necessarily plays a part in these things. Julian, G4LO
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We're drifting a little afield on this thread. Let's let it rest for now.
73,Eric Elecraft List Moderator Bob Nielsen wrote: > Actually Russian Antarctic stations us a R1 prefix, as do Franz Josef > Land and Malyj Vysotskij. I think some contest stations in Russia > itself also use the R without a second alpha character. > > I doubt that anyone would mistake a /M mobile station as being in the > UK or a /B beacon in China. > > The normal convention for operation in another country has that > country's prefix preceding rather than following the station's call > sign, although that isn't followed 100 percent. > > 73, Bob N7XY > > > On Nov 27, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:11:18 -0800, Fred Jensen wrote: >> >>> So all VHF/UHF repeaters that identify "W6XXX/R," and there are >>> a lot of them, are in violation of the rule since "RAA-RZZ" is >>> assigned to Russia? >> >> This has been kicking around for quite a while. At one time >> FCC Rules required adding "/R" or "/RPT" to a repeater call >> after it stopped issuing "WR" for repeater stations. The >> "out"is that "R" alone is not the way that Russia assigns call >> signs - they use "R" followed by an alpha. It's a "don't ask, >> don't tell" situation. I do advise my ham clients to use >> "/RPT" to be safe. >> >> -- >> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane >> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Post to: [hidden email] >> You must be a subscriber to post to the list. >> Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm >> Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: [hidden email] > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > Elecraft mailing list Post to: [hidden email] You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com |
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