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Re: OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

Wes (N7WS)
The last, and I do mean last, Chrysler product I owned was a '79 Roadrunner, bought new.  What a POS. I don't believe time has improved a thing.

Now I drive an Aussie car, a Pontiac G8 GT. Wish it had more hp tho, 360 is marginal.  But what's this 5000 mile stuff?  I'm putting a new set of Michelin Pilot Super Sports on tomorrow. Went through the current set in a year (28,000 miles.) Gas is cheap ($2.20) life is short.

Wes. N7WS

ps.  Please keep your Priuses out of the fast lane. Some of us older guys don't have time to waste

On Oct 6, 2015, at 3:44 PM, bsusb <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Tesla?  No,No,No!!  Its got to be a Charger like the Dukes used to drive.  V-8 hemi.  If it gets more than 10 miles to the gallon, it is underpowered.  If you don't put more than 5000 miles a year on the thing, you can easily afford the fuel cost.
>
> You like electrics?  Go to any golf course.  They already have lots of neat electric carts.
>
>
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:41:48 -0700
> Wayne Burdick <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Neither Elecraft co-owner has a Tesla, nor are we likely to get them anytime soon, speaking strictly for both of us. I drive a very pragmatic Honda CRV and am coveting a Prius V for its better gas mileage. I prefer not to drive at all, actually. I have a hybrid mountain bike that runs on the equivalent of approx. 0.5 McChicken sandwiches per hour.
>>
>> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?)
>>
>> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2015, at 9:38 AM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>> I'm aware of a few Elecraft engineers and owners having a Tesla Model S,
>>> hence the post.  
>>>
>>> When I first got my Model S, I had no plans to put a 2m radio in it.  Now
>>> I'm having second thoughts.  Wonder if any Model S owners have installed a
>>> radio?  
>>>
>>> Feel free to contact me off list at my callsign at arrl.net, if you prefer.
>>>
>>> Tnx,
>>> Barry W2UP
>>
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Re: OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

Wes (N7WS)
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It's okay. We know you just wanted to brag about having a Tesla:-)

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> My apologies for starting this thread.  I had no idea it would take such a
> perverse turn from a simple question.
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Re: OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

Wes (N7WS)
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I would actually consider a Volt if I could get my GM retiree discount. (no chance)

Furthermore I live in a "red state".  GM is limiting sales of the '16 models to "blue" states.

On Oct 6, 2015, at 12:31 PM, "Joe Subich, W4TV" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> From a practical perspective, the "battery with onboard generator" of the Chevrolet Volt is far more practical (and has been around for a
> very long time as the diesel-electric locomotive).  It a real shame
> that the Volt is out of the price range of ordinary consumers as charge
> at home with gasoline (or diesel) for long distance range extension is
> clearly more practical than the limited battery only range of either
> Tesla or the Nissan Leaf.
>
> I only wish that my father had the ability to follow up on his concept
> for the diesel-electric automobile 50 years ago.  Unfortunately neither
> energy storage (battery technology) nor environmental concerns where as
> well developed then as they are today.
>
> 73,
>
>  ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 10/6/2015 2:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> It was entirely tongue-in-cheek. See my followup posting. I'm a huge supporter of E-cars in general. I'm just jealous.
>>
>> Wayne ("off-topic"), N6KR
>>
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2015, at 11:10 AM, David Gilbert <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>>
>>> That seems like a pretty mean-spirited snipe at a company that has arguably done more to bring electric vehicles into the mainstream than any other.  Other companies may have higher volume and lower cost models out there, but Tesla is the first one with the conviction to prove it can be successful as a standalone business instead of just a side offering to satisfy EPA average mileage requirements.  Certainly Tesla has started at the top end of the food chain to do so, but their focus is headed toward the larger market ... demonstrating along the way that electric vehicles don't need to be the underpowered laughing stocks they were typically portrayed as.
>>>
>>> Dave   AB7E
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/6/2015 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As for any engineer rumored to own a Tesla: Who am I to comment on whether they should raid their retirement nest-eggs to buy overpriced, overpowered, conspicuously consumptive, middle-age-postponing sports sedans? (Isn't the 'T' for Testosterone, something always in short supply? Might a Tesla be partially covered by the prescription drug clause in one's medical insurance?)
>>>>
>>>> Finally, regarding the mobile radio: Go for it. Driving a Tesla, you may very well find yourself outside the cellphone network and many miles from that elusive next charging station.
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>> N6KR
>>>>
>>
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Re: OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

Jim Brown-10
On Tue,10/6/2015 4:16 PM, Wes wrote:
> I would actually consider a Volt if I could get my GM retiree discount. (no chance)

W6JTI lives in the "lost coast" area of NorCal and drives a Volt. he
loves it. Several of my friends drive a Prius and love them. I
encouraged my wife to buy one, and she's very happy too.  My vehicle is
a big Toyota SUV -- living in the mountains, you need at least one
"something big."

> Furthermore I live in a "red state".  GM is limiting sales of the '16 models to "blue" states.

Don't let that stop you -- about 30 years ago, I wanted what was then
Toyota's new van. Midwest dealers only sold them loaded, and I needed to
buy the lower cost models. I found exactly what I wanted on a lot near
LAX, secured my car loan, and flew out to pick it up and drive it home.

The dealership structure is something that the Tesla owner is working
hard to break down. Like Elecraft, he only sells direct. And while Tesla
is a premium model today, they're headed in the direction of much lower
cost models. Also, Tesla is building a BIG facility in NV to make
batteries.

73, Jim K9YC

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OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

Johnny Siu
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Hello Gentleman,
Due to time zone, I come into discussion a bit late.  My Model S 70D should come in about two weeks.
I do intent to put my KX3 mobile.  Since Model S is like a big computer with wheels, I am worried about whether TX from KX3 (or later with KXPA100)will cause RFI to the car.  Also antenna installation is another area to be thought about.
Any ideas?
73
Johnny VR2XMC
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 主題︰ Re: [Elecraft] OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S
   
I have 2M and 1.2GHz radios in my Model S. They work fine with no
detectable RFI in either direction. I have a no-holes installation, which
is sub-optimal but I couldn't bear the thought of drilling into this
expensive but totally awesome vehicle.

73,

/Rick N6XI

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Re: OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

Gary K9GS
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Hi Rick,

So..did you get the "Ludicrous Speed Option"??



On 10/6/2015 4:30 PM, Rick Tavan N6XI wrote:

> I have 2M and 1.2GHz radios in my Model S. They work fine with no
> detectable RFI in either direction. I have a no-holes installation, which
> is sub-optimal but I couldn't bear the thought of drilling into this
> expensive but totally awesome vehicle.
>
> 73,
>
> /Rick N6XI
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 1:57 PM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> My apologies for starting this thread.  I had no idea it would take such a
>> perverse turn from a simple question.
>>
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Re: OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

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Wes (N7WS) wrote
It's okay. We know you just wanted to brag about having a Tesla:-)
Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free  :-)

Wayne - In re-reading my original post and your response, I think you misunderstood what I meant by Elecraft owners.  I meant Elecraft RADIO owners, not company owners.  Sorry for that confusion and my poor wording, too.

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Wes (N7WS)
Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you out with
your "free" fuel :-)

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1

On 10/6/2015 7:26 PM, Barry wrote:
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> Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told
> everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free  :-)
>
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Re: OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

Scott Manthe-2
This is quickly becoming unbearable. If you guys want to have a blue
state vs. red state debate, do it somewhere else. Taxpayer pay for lots
of things that not everyone is happy about, so it's probably best if
this thread is dialed back now.

Scott N9AA


On 10/6/15 11:02 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:

> Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you
> out with your "free" fuel :-)
>
> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1 
>
>
> On 10/6/2015 7:26 PM, Barry wrote:
>>
>> Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told
>> everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free  :-)
>>
>>
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Re: OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

Lee Ormiston
Drifting back to the technicalities of flowing electrons:

Nine electric cars operated on the streets of Paris, France between 1835
and 1839.  The biggest problem with them was the inefficiency of the
electric batteries - likely a variation of Volta cells.  The biggest
problem with current electric vehicles (cars, golf carts, etc.) is....?

Common batteries of today have:   Cell Voltage     Specific Energy of MJ/kg
Ni Cd                                                1.2
    0.14
Lead - Acid                                        2.1
  0.14
NiMH                                                1.2
  0.36
Li Ion                                                3.6
    0.46

Interesting things can be accomplished by arranging cells either in series,
parallel, or combination.

To use these cells to perform work we need to remember Amps * Volts = Watts
for Simon Watt of steam engine fame.  We also need to remember Entropy
Theory - energy goes from highly organized state to disorganized state.  A
lump of coal is relatively organized state and carbon dioxide gas is
relatively disorganized state after combustion of coal.

We can in a small, localized area (neighborhood) concentrate energy, for
example re-charging a battery; by increasing the entropy, disorganization
of the energy in the universe by generating electricity - nuclear, coal
fired, natural gas fired, solar, wind powered steam generator powered
electric plant.  In all of these we have mostly waste heat, line losses,
circuit losses, etc. to charge/recharge batteries, followed by waste heat,
line losses, etc. to put the stored energy to work.  After which we repeat
the process to recharge the batteries.

Am I an advocate of going back to hunter/gatherer life style?  No
Am I saving up for a KX3 with match box and battery pack?  Yes

Any unglazed eyes left?

73 Lee N0RRL

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> This is quickly becoming unbearable. If you guys want to have a blue state
> vs. red state debate, do it somewhere else. Taxpayer pay for lots of things
> that not everyone is happy about, so it's probably best if this thread is
> dialed back now.
>
> Scott N9AA
>
>
>
> On 10/6/15 11:02 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>
>> Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you
>> out with your "free" fuel :-)
>>
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1
>>
>> On 10/6/2015 7:26 PM, Barry wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told
>>> everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free  :-)
>>>
>>>
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Re: OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

Barry
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Wes,

You left out this part:
Taxpayers currently subsidize the oil industry by as much as $4.8 billion a year, with about half of that going to the big five oil companies—ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron, BP, and ConocoPhillips—which get an average tax break of $3.34 on every barrel of domestic crude they produce.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjACahUKEwjRqOLBrLDIAhUQQYgKHe1LAqM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motherjones.com%2Fpolitics%2F2014%2F04%2Foil-subsidies-renewable-energy-tax-breaks&usg=AFQjCNEDvYpeB0-5Qft5tMSw_mkd2S1miw&sig2=JYwt28iI5NpoeP4ZQlXmDg

Barry W2UP

P.S.  I got some useful info from this thread, and and some via private email, so thanks to those who responded on topic.  



Wes (N7WS) wrote
Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you out with
your "free" fuel :-)

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1
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Re: OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

Jim Vohland

Indash hr radio would be nice in a Tesla or any other car. Maybe someone should design a rig that would fit in dash. Just like buying after market stereo! Sure would be nice for install purposes. Maybe a K3I (for in dash).  

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> On Oct 7, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Barry <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Wes,
>
> You left out this part:
> *Taxpayers currently subsidize the oil industry by as much as $4.8 billion a
> year*, with about half of that going to the big five oil
> companies—ExxonMobil, Shell, Chevron, BP, and ConocoPhillips—which get an
> average tax break of $3.34 on every barrel of domestic crude they produce.
>
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjACahUKEwjRqOLBrLDIAhUQQYgKHe1LAqM&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motherjones.com%2Fpolitics%2F2014%2F04%2Foil-subsidies-renewable-energy-tax-breaks&usg=AFQjCNEDvYpeB0-5Qft5tMSw_mkd2S1miw&sig2=JYwt28iI5NpoeP4ZQlXmDg
>
> Barry W2UP
>
> P.S.  I got some useful info from this thread, and and some via private
> email, so thanks to those who responded on topic.  
>
>
>
>
> Wes (N7WS) wrote
>> Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you out
>> with
>> your "free" fuel :-)
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1
>
>
>
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Re: OT: VHF radio in Tesla Model S

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Guys - This thread has been closed. Please no political arguments like this on
the reflector. There are many other places on the net for that. :-)

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On 10/6/2015 9:13 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:

> This is quickly becoming unbearable. If you guys want to have a blue state vs.
> red state debate, do it somewhere else. Taxpayer pay for lots of things that
> not everyone is happy about, so it's probably best if this thread is dialed
> back now.
>
> Scott N9AA
>
>
> On 10/6/15 11:02 PM, Wes (N7WS) wrote:
>> Be sure and pen a little thank you note to the taxpayers that help you out
>> with your "free" fuel :-)
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html#page=1 
>>
>>
>> On 10/6/2015 7:26 PM, Barry wrote:
>>>
>>> Wes - If I wanted to brag, I would have driven it to Dayton, then told
>>> everyone how I drove 1500 miles and "fuel" was free  :-)
>>>
>>>
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KX3 frequency stability with DC supply voltage variations

W7GJ, Lance
I recently took my KX3 with me on a 6m EME DXpedition to operate as V6M and I did
have some problems with the stability of the AC line when I keyed my amp.   I don't
know whether that might have also caused variation in the output from 12 VDC supply
powering the KX3, but some people did report a "drifting problem" during my
transmissions.   I didn't see any indication of frequency drift during receive (when
the rig would be cooling down from a transmit cycle), so I am curious to learn if the
KX3 might be vulnerable to changes in DC supply voltage.   Has anyone experimented
with this or do you know whether the KX3 has good internal voltage regulation? If it
is a problem, I may have to get a different switching power supply that is more
stable under large AC input voltage swings.

The actual stability on JT65A mode I think was fine, at least it seemed to be stable
enough on receive.   Upon further investigation, I think many of the reports about
people not being able to decode my JT65A signal were due not to instability of the
KX3, but simply the fact that my signal was too weak to decode when I was replying to
someone else.  I have added a pair of external heat sinks and gone through the
temperature compensation routine, and believe that those steps were adequate:

http://www.bigskyspaces.com/w7gj/KX3HeatSinks.htm

I would really like to be able to continue to take the KX3 with me on 6m EME
DXpeditions, because it has so many great features and is so compact.   However, I am
also tempted to buy another K3 just to take on DXpeditions, since I know stability
has never been in question with my K3 field operations.

I look forward to any suggestions or insights anyone may be able to provide.    MNI
TNX and VY 73, Lance

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